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Post by laura on Feb 21, 2022 10:58:58 GMT -5
It was R & R. At this point in history (2/10/90) there were three countdown shows using R & R: Dees, CUSA, and Rockin' America. Casey's Top 40 used R&R too. This is brand new information.
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Post by woolebull on Feb 21, 2022 11:09:25 GMT -5
It was R & R. At this point in history (2/10/90) there were three countdown shows using R & R: Dees, CUSA, and Rockin' America. Casey's Top 40 used R&R too. Sheesh, you would think I would remember that one! Thank you for the addendum. So four shows were using Radio and Record until April of 1990. By March of 1992 that number would be down to two: Dees and Casey. In fact, we went from four shows in 1990 using R & R to just having three CHR countdowns in totality two years later.
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Post by LC on Feb 21, 2022 17:08:15 GMT -5
One wonders why Billboard never licensed itself out to other shows like R&R did. Reminds me of the Beta vs VHS war, where VHS was licensed to multiple manufacturers, while Sony adamantly clung to its Beta license. VHS won that one, and it seems looking back so did R&R, since no show has used Billboard's charts in, what, 25+ years?
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Post by Mike on Feb 21, 2022 17:34:41 GMT -5
Simply put, Billboard charged for the use of their data, while R&R did not - it's not that they weren't licensing themselves out (on the Country side, American Country Countdown used Billboard from its inception until...I think it was sometime in 2009, and then switched back again effective with the week of 9/9/2017, and this has stuck), but rather that most simply didn't/don't want to pay the fees.
R&R's data being free for use certainly made it easier, but the biggest example has to be Casey's Top 40, as Westwood One, in addition to producing CT40, also owned R&R outright at the time the show was created. They would later sell R&R in late 1993, though that obviously didn't affect the show at all as far as chart data.
Since then, R&R began using Mediabase 24/7 for their airplay monitoring halfway through 1999, and they were owned by Premiere Radio Networks, which were owned by Jacor Communications at that time, and also at that time Jacor were themselves being folded into Clear Channel, which in turn would later acquire AMFM - which distributed AT40 upon its 1998 return. We, of course, know Clear Channel better today as iHeartMedia. So you could say that the situation has since worked its way back to more-or-less how it was when CT40 was launched in 1989, with the data provider and the countdown that uses it both under the same roof.
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Post by LC on Feb 21, 2022 17:54:59 GMT -5
Thank you. That explains a lot that I wondered about.
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Post by dth1971 on Feb 21, 2022 20:37:45 GMT -5
One wonders why Billboard never licensed itself out to other shows like R&R did. Reminds me of the Beta vs VHS war, where VHS was licensed to multiple manufacturers, while Sony adamantly clung to its Beta license. VHS won that one, and it seems looking back so did R&R, since no show has used Billboard's charts in, what, 25+ years? What about Cash Box and Gavin Report and Record World? Dick Clark National Music Survey and the first year and a half of Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 used Cash Box and Dave Sholin's Insider used Gavin Report. But I think no rival AT40 show used Record World charts. Do you even remember the top 10 charts used on the 1980-1988 syndicated weekly music variety show Solid Gold? The first season or two used R&R for the top 10 source but then used its own top 10 chart.
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Post by mga707 on Feb 21, 2022 20:54:51 GMT -5
What about Cash Box and Gavin Report and Record World? Dick Clark National Music Survey and the first year and a half of Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 used Cash Box and Dave Sholin's Insider used Gavin Report. But I think no rival AT40 show used Record World charts. Record World ceased publication in early 1982, March, if memory serves. Doubt if any show ever used their chart.
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