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Post by Mike on May 3, 2023 21:12:06 GMT -5
ETA: Just saw Mike's post; I wonder if my 6/10 show might be mis-tagged. Wouldn't surprise me; Dees' website giving incorrect show dates. I would give that a yes, especially if it came from the app. Mis-dating 1989 shows has been a bad habit over there...
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Post by woolebull on May 17, 2023 16:03:24 GMT -5
So I have listened to a few shows since I last posted. Here are a couple of highlights/questions:
1) 5/5/79: I have never listened to a May 1979 show before (probably because I didn't want to hear "Reunited" at #1). However, it was a great show. Some things that stood out to me - a) For whatever reason I never made the connection that Bob Seger's "Old Time Rock & Roll" was released in 1979. I have never liked the song per se, however it was fascinating listening to it on a show packed with disco music. Gave me a new understanding of the song. b) Casey did a spotlight on other countries and their success on AT 40. The first country in the spotlight? Canada. c) Casey did a spotlight on the first #1 political protest song, "Eve of Destruction" by Barry McGuire. I need to go back but I swear that he mentioned it was the first, and up to that point only, song of that nature to go to the top. If I heard that correctly, what would that make "War"?
2) 5/10/80: Solid show. The highlight was hearing something we talked about months ago about Casey doing the Number Ones of the Seventies segment in which it seems he is oblivious to comments he had made earlier in the show. On this show, Robbie Dupree is on the show with, "Steal Away" and Casey mentions that it sounds like a song that was big the year before, "What A Fool Believes". A few segments later, "Fool" was the archive song with no mention that Casey had already talked about the song. Neat to hear.
3) Countdown America 5/12/84: Look, anytime I can hear, "Catch Me I'm Falling" by Real Life at a number other than #40, I am here for it. Also interesting, and something I had never really paid attention to, was when Leader played "Overkill" by Men At Work and mentioned it was the #1 song a year before. My Billboard mind was blown away lol.
4) AT 40 5/18/91. I am in the third hour of that show and it is just awesome. I would graduate high school the next day and while I understand 32 years ago is quite a bit of time, I had reality smack me in the face when Shadoe mentioned that Monie Love was the first female rapper as a solo artist to hit the top 40 with, "It's A Shame". And to go full circle on Robbie Dupree, I mentioned when I started the two-hit wonder thread that the last week of "Steal Away" on AT 40 also saw "Hot Rod Hearts" debut as well. I surmised that Robbie might be the only two-hit wonder to have both hits in the top 40 at the same time. While I don't remember if we ever found another artist who did that (off the top of my head I think Donna Lewis and Chumbawumba did it on CT), I never realized how close Another Bad Creation came to doing it. "Playground" would debut that week while "Iesha" would fall out of the 40 dropping from 29 to 41. And the looks I got for singing as loud as I could every note of "My Heart Is Failing Me" by Riff, while I was biking on a greenway, made my day! Love, love, love 1991 shows.
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Post by Mike on May 17, 2023 16:41:22 GMT -5
And to go full circle on Robbie Dupree, I mentioned when I started the two-hit wonder thread that the last week of "Steal Away" on AT 40 also saw "Hot Rod Hearts" debut as well. I surmised that Robbie might be the only two-hit wonder to have both hits in the top 40 at the same time. While I don't remember if we ever found another artist who did that (off the top of my head I think Donna Lewis and Chumbawumba did it on CT), I never realized how close Another Bad Creation came to doing it. "Playground" would debut that week while "Iesha" would fall out of the 40 dropping from 29 to 41. Yes on both of those, in fact Chumbawamba's two straddled the show change from CT40 back to AT40 - "Amnesia" debuted on the second-to-last CT40 (the first of two "Top 40 Countdown" weeks), while "Tubthumping" lasted through the fourth returned AT40. Another one from CT40 is Des'ree, though unfortunately for her "Feel So High" had nearly all of its run overlap with "You Gotta Be" - each would fall off on consecutive weeks. On Shadoe's AT40, Gabrielle also missed it by one week, as "Dreams" went recurrent the week "I Wish" debuted. Boy Krazy did do it there, but they also fall into the "hit that out-lasted the follow-up" category. Snow barely did it, the last week of "Informer" was the week "Girl, I've Been Hurt" debuted (actually, upon checking, it happened exactly that way on both countdowns). Jeremy Jordan did it (AT40 only, missed it on CT40 by two weeks).
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Post by woolebull on May 17, 2023 17:31:49 GMT -5
And to go full circle on Robbie Dupree, I mentioned when I started the two-hit wonder thread that the last week of "Steal Away" on AT 40 also saw "Hot Rod Hearts" debut as well. I surmised that Robbie might be the only two-hit wonder to have both hits in the top 40 at the same time. While I don't remember if we ever found another artist who did that (off the top of my head I think Donna Lewis and Chumbawumba did it on CT), I never realized how close Another Bad Creation came to doing it. "Playground" would debut that week while "Iesha" would fall out of the 40 dropping from 29 to 41. Yes on both of those, in fact Chumbawamba's two straddled the show change from CT40 back to AT40 - "Amnesia" debuted on the second-to-last CT40 (the first of two "Top 40 Countdown" weeks), while "Tubthumping" lasted through the fourth returned AT40. Another one from CT40 is Des'ree, though unfortunately for her "Feel So High" had nearly all of its run overlap with "You Gotta Be" - each would fall off on consecutive weeks. On Shadoe's AT40, Gabrielle also missed it by one week, as "Dreams" went recurrent the week "I Wish" debuted. Boy Krazy did do it there, but they also fall into the "hit that out-lasted the follow-up" category. Snow barely did it, the last week of "Informer" was the week "Girl, I've Been Hurt" debuted (actually, upon checking, it happened exactly that way on both countdowns). Jeremy Jordan did it (AT40 only, missed it on CT40 by two weeks). Good stuff, Mike. I should have gotten Boy Krazy for sure. One small correction: Snow has had to this point three hits on AT: The two from 1993 and "Con Calma" in 2019 (as a feature artist).
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Post by freakyflybry on May 21, 2023 21:19:27 GMT -5
AT40 from May 22, 1993. Haven't listened to Shadoe in forever, it seems.
Interesting that Bizarre Inc. debuted on AT40 more than two months after falling off of CT40!
The entire top 23 from that week's CT40 was on AT40, plus five songs in the lower reaches. Three of the CT40 droppers - Angel, Love U More and Simple Life were still on AT40. (and it happened in reverse too - d**n Yankees fell off of AT40 but were still riding high on CT40.) The #1 on AT40 - "Two Princes" was way down at #28 on CT40!
Prince, Whitney Houston, Bon Jovi, Jeremy Jordan, Duran Duran all held the double this week with two songs on - Jeremy Jordan, as mentioned in previous posts, charted with his only two top 40 hits, but the other four acts are all Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees; additionally on the chart, Aerosmith, George Michael, Queen, Rod Stewart, Sting (inducted with The Police), Michael Jackson and Janet Jackson are all in too. (New Order, who was nominated this year, didn't get in.) And Boy Krazy, while had fallen off of CT40, would hold on long enough here to see "Good Times With Bad Boys" debut later on.
The Sneek Peek was an underrated soundtrack tune that made neither CT40 nor AT40 - "Almost Unreal" by Roxette.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on May 25, 2023 6:31:22 GMT -5
"Two People" by the great, late Tina Turner was, IMO, an underrated song. It only peaked at #30 on Billboard. It's one of my favorite slower songs by her. I'm listening to AT40 from 1/17/1987, the show in which it peaked, and interestingly, Casey said it was holding steady for the third week in a row. But two regular shows ago (12/27/1986), it was at #31. And 1/3/1987 was a frozen chart (same weekend the top 100 of 1986 was counted down). Maybe 1/10 was duplicated in this instance? 🤔 The frozen charts, ten years in at this point, weren't consistently handled.
Anyway, to Tina, thank you for all your great music. You are simply "The Best". You'll be terribly missed. 🥺
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Post by dukelightning on May 26, 2023 19:26:27 GMT -5
CT40 from 5/27/89 with 6 debuts and the first of them that kicks off the show is my fave of the 6, "Rooms On Fire". Casey said that Stevie was celebrating her 41st birthday that weekend which means that she is celebrating her 75th birthday this weekend. It's hard to imagine Stevie being that old. I will always associate her in her 20s and 30s. View is her only hit as a 40 something.
Casey mentions how "Second Chance" was written 5 years earlier and then shelved. .38 Special's new vocalist rewrote it slightly to make it more sympathetic and it became their biggest hit as a result of that second chance. I prefer their biggest hit prior to 1989, "Caught Up in You" and a few other of their hits to this one.
Fave of the 3 duets in the show is "Close My Eyes Forever". Though in terms of number of hits generated by the artists involved, it comes up woefully short of "Through the Storm" with Casey saying that Aretha and Elton had combined for 78 hits. Lita and Ozzy? This makes it 2 for them! Like these pre 1992 CT40 shows when it comes to R&Ds. A lot less of the lame, overplayed ballads. This show had the Youngbloods' "Get Together", "Roni" and "Don't Know What You've Got Until it's Gone". The latter might be the most played metal R&D/LDD in AT/CT40 history. Great song!
Before playing "Satisfied", Casey said that Richard Marx would be writing 3 songs on Poco's comeback album Legacy. Turns out he only wrote one song, "Nothin to Hide" which squeezed onto AT40 at #39 but did not make it to CT40.
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Post by dukelightning on May 27, 2023 7:44:16 GMT -5
I am about as far away on the calendar as you can get from the 12/1/90 AT40 that is playing. A couple debuts worthy of a comment. "After the Rain" is the opposite of the weather situation right now since it is just before the rain which is the reason I am listening to a show in the first place. Then "Love Will Never Do Without You" had Shadoe saying that it was the 7th top 40 hit from Rhythm Nation tying Thriller, Bad and Born in the USA for most top 40 hits from one album. This however is the first and still the only one(?) to produce 7 top 5 hits(8 on CT40). The next album to have 7 top 40 hits on it was her brother's Dangerous. I think that's it for the 20th century in that category. It's happened at least once but I am guessing more than that this century. The one I can think of is Taylor Swift's 1989 that had 7 top 40 hits on it.
In connection with both "Unchained Melody" since it had multiple versions and Information Society's "Think", Shadoe mentioned that James Brown has the record for most charted different versions of the same song. His "Think" was a top 40 hit in 1960 and then different versions of it reached #100, 77 and 80 in 1967 and 1973. Another record identified was the one for most times the title of the song was sung. It's 147 times that MC Hammer (or his backup singers) sang 'pray' in that song. Old record was a tie between the Cowsills "Hair" and Helen Reddy's "Leave Me Alone" with 59.
Played a medley of all the #1 hits with 'heart' in their title. There were 4 apiece in the 70s and 80s and then "I Don't Have a Heart" in the countdown. That trend did not continue in the 90s as "My Heart Will Go On" is the only other #1 hit with 'heart' in the title.
Got an example of a hit whose title correlates with where it peaked. "So Close" is at #11, peaking 'so close' to the top 10! Must be a thread about that on here somewhere!
All 4 major 90s divas are in the countdown. This is the second instance in the 90s of a pair of them occupying the top 2 positions as Whitney replaces Mariah at #1. Back in August, Mariah and Janet were at #1 and #2, respectively for a couple weeks. And in January 1991, Janet will be #1 and Madonna will be #2 with their current countdown songs. And Whitney ties Madonna for most #1 hits by a female solo artist this week. Of course that tie will be broken a few weeks later and then Whitney will tie it up again a few weeks later as that battle goes on.
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Post by dukelightning on May 27, 2023 10:55:16 GMT -5
Going from a show with all 4 of those divas in it to a show that ends what was tied for the longest stretch in the 90s of shows without any of them in it, the CT40 from 8/10/91. That was 3 weeks which was matched in both August 1995 and October 1996, coincidentally involving the same dates, the 12th,19th and 26th. Then the longest such stretch of the 90s occurred for 4 months from April to August 1997. Anyway Whitney ends this diva-less stretch with "My Name Is Not Susan" debuting. Casey tells a story of how Desmond Child may not be a household name but he is known as the song doctor. He put the finishing touches on big hits by Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Cher and Michael Bolton after each had hit a wall in the song's composition. He is known is the musical chameleon. He is at his #29 peak with his only hit, "Love on a Rooftop". Afterward, Casey said he sang the word 'woe' over 100 times. That's 2 shows in a row that a word sung over 100 times in it has been pointed out by the host!
Casey talks about Otis Redding's career in connection with "Hard to Handle". Otis had about a 5 year career before the plane crash that took his life. His 3 best songs were either written or covered in 1967. Aretha Frankin covered his "Respect" into a #1 hit in June. "Sittin' on the Dock of the Bay" was recorded 3 days before his death in December. And "Hard to Handle" he wrote and recorded that year. Wonder if Casey or Shadoe ever played a clip of that song. The Black Crowes did a fine job on the song. Like that line 'aint nothin' but drug store love'/aint nothin' but 10 cent love'.
In hearing his story about artists named Jones, I uncovered an oddity. Casey went back through the whole 20th century listing all the artists of any consequence named Jones finishing up with the artist who had won the most Pop Grammy awards Quincy Jones. This led to Jesus Jones' "Right Here, Right Now", a former #1 hit. He had also mentioned Howard Jones' "No One is to Blame" and "Chuck E's in Love" by Rickie Lee Jones that had hit #1. While they all hit #1 on the R&R chart, no artist named Jones has hit #1 to that point on the Hot 100. In fact, 3 times a Jones had hit #2...Jimmy Jones with "Handy Man"(mentioned by Casey), Tom Jones with "She's a Lady"(also mentioned) and the aforementioned Jesus Jones.
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Post by Mike on May 27, 2023 14:52:55 GMT -5
no artist named Jones has hit #1 to that point on the Hot 100. None since, either.
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Post by dukelightning on May 28, 2023 7:02:22 GMT -5
So I posted about Madonna on the other thread while listening to the 8/15/92 AT40. Here is another factoid about her and specifically "This Used to be My Playground". That is the highest peaking hit by a white artist in 1992 on AT40. Peaked at #2. Wrap your arms around that one! It is a byproduct of the fact that the chart AT40 was using then was based on stations in larger markets which titled toward black artists. 1992 was a great year for R&B even without that market bias as on CT40, only Madonna, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Patty Smyth & Don Henley and the Heights hit #1 that were white, the last three all peaking at #3 on AT40. For the record, the first week that AT40 was using that chart had a white artist at #1 with Michael Bolton on 11/30/91. The next week that a white artist was #1 was 2/13/93 when Duran Duran rose to the top. So no white artists hit #1 in 1992. A decade earlier, no black artists hit #1 in 1982.
And I am listening to a show while posting all of that. It's the AT40 from 10/22/94. Another great Madonna song is coming up, "Secret" that like Playground peaked at #2. It's between those 2 songs plus "Deeper and Deeper" and "Frozen" as to which is my fave 90s hit by her. A couple of eerie, moody songs along with one of her trademark dance tracks and the pop sound of "Secret". Strange that they had Barry White doing one of those 'American Top 40 will be right back' voice overs. Seems like I have heard his voice on other shows in this time frame. All of the other artists used in that capacity have had current or recent hits. Maybe the fact that AT40 was only being broadcast outside the US then had something to do with that.
Played a clip of the original "Turn the Beat Around" from 1976 before playing Gloria Estafan's cover. Prefer that original but not by much. Biggest mover was "Fade Into You" by Mazzy Star, 33-21, another eerie, moody song. But that only made it up to 19.
An appropriate answering of a question of the longest running #1 hits in AT40 history considering it had 3 months to go in its first run history. Shadoe listed the top 5 which I knew even before he said it...."The Sign" 14 weeks, "End of the Road" 13 weeks, "You Light Up My Life", "Physical" and "I Will Always Love You" 10 weeks. The writer referenced 10 weeks being a long time to be at #1 but wondered if any hit had eclipsed that. Seems strange that she knew that a hit or hits had stayed at #1 that long but was not aware of the two that did. Maybe she had the Joel Whitburn Pop 1955-1993 book that I have which lists Life and Physical and had just started listening to AT40 in a foreign country that had only recently picked up AT40 as was the case a lot in 1994. Who knows! Actually it was probably not that book since it does list Road and I Will has having 13 and 14 weeks at #1 and if she just started following AT40 and the charts, she would not know that about the chart change in 1991 either. The flashback is to a week when one of those 10+ weeks #1 hits was on top....1977. And 3 of the 4 hits that "You Light Up My Life" kept from the #1 spot were also in that top 5..."Boogie Nights", "Keep it Comin Love" and "Nobody Does it Better". And that was followed up with "Endless Love" covering one of the hits that would be next up on that list above with 9 weeks on top.
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Post by Mike on May 28, 2023 7:52:17 GMT -5
So I posted about Madonna on the other thread while listening to the 8/15/92 AT40. Here is another factoid about her and specifically "This Used to be My Playground". That is the highest peaking hit by a white artist in 1992 on AT40. Peaked at #2. Wrap your arms around that one! It is a byproduct of the fact that the chart AT40 was using then was based on stations in larger markets which titled toward black artists. 1992 was a great year for R&B even without that market bias as on CT40, only Madonna, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Patty Smyth & Don Henley and the Heights hit #1 that were white, the last three all peaking at #3 on AT40. For the record, the first week that AT40 was using that chart had a white artist at #1 with Michael Bolton on 11/30/91. The next week that a white artist was #1 was 2/13/93 when Duran Duran rose to the top. So no white artists hit #1 in 1992. This also had a few things align just so: Color Me Badd and Mariah Carey are also themselves mixed - CMB being a mixed group (Sam Watters being white, Bryan Abrams being white + Native biracial), Mariah being biracial (white/black). 1992 having the fewest #1s of any calendar year to that point (just ten). AT40/the Top 40 Radio Monitor being the one "pop" chart where "This Used to Be My Playground" stopped at #2 (and conversely, the one where TLC's "Baby Baby Baby" hit #1). A decade earlier, no black artists hit #1 in 1982. Stevie Wonder ("Ebony and Ivory") and Lionel Richie ("Truly") would like a word, sir.
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Post by dukelightning on May 28, 2023 7:58:10 GMT -5
My bad. What I meant to write was that no black artist hit #1 on both the Hot 100 and soul charts in 1982. The only artist to pull off that feat was Hall & Oates with "I Can't Go For That".
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Post by dukelightning on May 28, 2023 8:35:24 GMT -5
Using CT40 and the R&R charts as the basis, the 4 white artists hitting #1 in 1992 is not the record. There were also 4 in 1993 and then in 1995, there were only 3...Madonna, the Rembrandts and Goo Goo Dolls(Blessed Union of Souls, Hootie & the Blowfish being mixed along with the biracial Mariah). And the record low while Casey was hosting was set in 2001 with just 2...O-Town and Nickelback(Christina, Lil' Kim, Mya & Pink and Eve & Gwen Stefani being mixed and J Lo is neither black nor white). And 2001 is one of my favorite years for music btw.
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Post by Mike on May 28, 2023 8:38:33 GMT -5
Worth also noting - had AT40 stayed with the Radio Monitor into 1993 and beyond, then that streak would not have ended until Ace of Base with "The Sign" in 1994:
"Ordinary World" stopped at #3.
"Two Princes" stopped at #6.
It would have stopped at UB40 if not for their one member Astro. (So, a lot less mixed of a group than Color Me Badd, but still mixed nonetheless.)
"All That She Wants" stopped at #2 (another "pop" chart where this was so - Top 40/Mainstream was the one and only where that hit #1 and "Again" stopped at #2).
And "All For Love" stopped at #3.
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