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Post by skuncle on Sept 14, 2019 9:08:45 GMT -5
The other day on a Facebook group I’m in Kenny Loggins’ song “Whenever I Call You Friend” was being discussed, the question was why wasn’t Stevie Nicks credited on the single. I said that it was most likely a record label dispute of some sort or another. At the time Stevie was signed, as a member of Fleetwood Mac, to Warner Bros. while Kenny Loggins was on Columbia. Stevie is credited on his album.
One of the responses said that they didn’t understand what I was getting at, they think Stevie wasn’t credited because Kenny Loggins was mad at her. They went on to explain that Stevie got credit on the Tom Petty duets. I explained further that Stevie was a solo artist then. In 1978 she was a member of a band, she didn’t have a solo contract. Danny Goldberg has a book where he explains how Stevie’s solo contract came to be.
The poster responded ended by saying that he’s been listening to pop/rock music for 50 years and “never have I ever seen where a proper duet didn’t credit both artists, this is the only example of that”. I countered saying there many examples where an artist didn’t get credit and named “What Are We Doing In Love” by Dottie West and uncredited Kenny Rogers as one example, “Dead Ringer For Love” by Meat Loaf and uncredited Cher as another.
My point is there are tons of examples, sometimes it’s a contract thing, sometimes it’s just a artists choice. But it happens, and it happens a lot.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Sept 14, 2019 9:59:47 GMT -5
IIRC, Casey had mentioned something of the sort when "Friend" was charting in 1978. It was likely a record label thing.
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Post by doofus67 on Sept 14, 2019 13:48:02 GMT -5
At the risk of being judgmental, that guy seems a little on the ignorant side. We ought to compile a full list of all the examples. Then you can go back and post that and say "Hey, dude, you don't know who you're dealing with!"
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Post by doofus67 on Sept 15, 2019 11:06:22 GMT -5
How about Sammy Davis featuring Mike Curb Congregation: Candy Man The Congregation received label credit. |
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Post by doofus67 on Sept 15, 2019 11:08:16 GMT -5
From 1983, "Never Gonna Let You Go" by Sergio Mendes f/Joe Pizzulo & Leza Miller. Sergio's next hit "Alibis" would've also featured Joe Pizzulo. Joe and Leza received label credit. |
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Post by doofus67 on Sept 15, 2019 11:13:38 GMT -5
Three more from Casey’s AT40/80s era: Heatbreaker-Dionne Warwick (featuring Barry Gibb) Deep Inside My Heart-Randy Meisner (featuring Kim Carnes) Take Me with U-Prince (featuring Apollonia) Apollonia received label credit. |
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Post by Michael1973 on Sept 19, 2019 8:35:00 GMT -5
At the risk of being judgmental, that guy seems a little on the ignorant side. We ought to compile a full list of all the examples. Then you can go back and post that and say "Hey, dude, you don't know who you're dealing with!" For people like that, you could list 1,000 examples and he would still insist he's right. Sometimes it's best to let it go. |
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Post by doofus67 on Sept 19, 2019 10:35:28 GMT -5
At the risk of being judgmental, that guy seems a little on the ignorant side. We ought to compile a full list of all the examples. Then you can go back and post that and say "Hey, dude, you don't know who you're dealing with!" For people like that, you could list 1,000 examples and he would still insist he's right. Sometimes it's best to let it go. So true. What's the old saying? Ignorance is bliss? That said, looking back through this thread, I've only found a handful. |
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Post by johnnywest on Oct 8, 2019 17:19:43 GMT -5
Hit The Road Jack: Stampeders Also: Hit The Road Jack - Ray Charles f/Margie Hendrix Knockin' Boots - Candyman f/Tone Loc |
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Post by lasvegaskid on Nov 2, 2019 9:51:36 GMT -5
Michael Jackson ft. Vincent Price: Thriller
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Post by johnnywest on Nov 12, 2019 14:44:28 GMT -5
Who's Zoomin' Who - Aretha Franklin f/Randy Jackson, Preston "Tiger Head" Glass, Carolyn Franklin, Jim Gilstrap, Vicki Randle, Sylvester, Jeanie Tracy, and Laundon Von Hendricks
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Post by Hervard on Nov 12, 2019 15:37:34 GMT -5
Who's Zoomin' Who - Aretha Franklin f/Randy Jackson, Preston "Tiger Head" Glass, Carolyn Franklin, Jim Gilstrap, Vicki Randle, Sylvester, Jeanie Tracy, and Laundon Von Hendricks Wow - in writing the chart down, I would have to list that as "Aretha Franklin featuring various artists". |
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Nov 13, 2019 20:40:25 GMT -5
I do have one question regarding the lawsuit involving Seduction. Was the lawsuit ever brought up by Shadoe on American Top 40 during the final two weeks in which "Could This Be Love" was on the top 40? Was the #11 peak position and falling off the top forty quickly afterwards due to the lawsuit?
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Nov 13, 2019 22:43:31 GMT -5
I do have one question regarding the lawsuit involving Seduction. Was the lawsuit ever brought up by Shadoe on American Top 40 during the final two weeks in which "Could This Be Love" was on the top 40? Was the #11 peak position and falling off the top forty quickly afterwards due to the lawsuit? Shadoe mentions nothing regarding the lawsuit, or anything of its kind during the quick descent of "Could This Be Love". I thought I'd check Casey's Top 40 as well...nothing there, either. Songs during that timeframe seemed to drop really fast anyway, so it's nothing that really stood out to me. I just thought Seduction's run with that album was at its end anyway (which I also own on CD). I loved their music. |
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Nov 19, 2019 12:12:10 GMT -5
I do have one question regarding the lawsuit involving Seduction. Was the lawsuit ever brought up by Shadoe on American Top 40 during the final two weeks in which "Could This Be Love" was on the top 40? Was the #11 peak position and falling off the top forty quickly afterwards due to the lawsuit? Shadoe mentions nothing regarding the lawsuit, or anything of its kind during the quick descent of "Could This Be Love". I thought I'd check Casey's Top 40 as well...nothing there, either. Songs during that timeframe seemed to drop really fast anyway, so it's nothing that really stood out to me. I just thought Seduction's run with that album was at its end anyway (which I also own on CD). I loved their music. Seduction fell out of favor possibly due to music fans being more into rap, hip-hop, new jack swing, boy bands such as New Kids on the Block - and don't forget, Mariah Carey and Janet Jackson became superstars then. I realize that Debbie Gibson's success (along with Tiffany's) started to die off in the spring of 1989 because New Kids on the Block became the new obsession of young teens by the summer of 1989 and into 1990. Also, the female trios that were around during the late 1980s - namely Expose, Sweet Sensation, and The Cover Girls - fell out of favor in the early 1990s. Unlike Seduction, these three aforementioned girl groups did close out their top 40 runs with a big top ten hit for each, and were all ballads. Boyz II Men were perhaps the only big vocal group to hit the top 40 by Shadoe's final year on AT40. I did learn that Seduction attempted a comeback around 2004 with April Harris and a new lineup, but it didn't pan out, and April gave up on the group. I personally think Seduction should be classified as a one-hit wonder group - for the success of "Two to Make it Right", which predicted its peak position of #2 in February 1990. Songs were known for dropping quite fast by 1990, no matter how high they peaked. That all changed when AT40 switched to new chart formats in 1991 and again in 1994 - and songs retained staying power for months on end, even if they didn't make the top 20. I learned that the top 100 of 1993 had a lot of songs that never made the top 20. It makes sense, since 1993 had hits that stayed in the top ten for months, and there were only seven number-one songs during 1993. The following year, in 1994, "The Sign" by Ace of Base spent three and a half months at #1, and I must say, I grew tired of the song by April of that year. Of Seduction's top 40 material, I only liked half of it: "(You're My One and Only) True Love" and the remake of Taana Gardner's "Heartbeat". I do love Seduction's remake, but Taana's version is better. |
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