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Post by woolebull on Apr 30, 2013 18:10:19 GMT -5
I was looking through the R and R archives and noticed something peculiar. "Into The Night", by Benny Mardones, was listed as peaking at 5 in 1980 however there is no mention of it hitting again in 1989. Is that correct? I can't imagine a Top 20 (Billboard) hit not having enough airplay to hit CT 40 in 1989.
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Apr 30, 2013 20:21:29 GMT -5
Perhaps it was driven more by sales than airplay in 1989. Try looking at the separate sales and airplay breakdowns of the Hot 100. If it ranked high on the airplay chart, then perhaps R&R had some policy that kept "Into the Night" from recharting in 1989.
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Post by corey on May 1, 2013 8:46:26 GMT -5
It peaked at #17 on BB's sales chart and at #25 on BB's Airplay chart in 1989.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2013 9:16:26 GMT -5
Is it possible R&R had some rule in place that once a song fell off the chart after x amount of weeks it couldn't come back ever even in a circumstance like this? I know Sheriff hit #1 in 89 with its song but did they ever chart originally with it on R&R at all in the early 80s?
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Post by woolebull on May 1, 2013 18:12:52 GMT -5
Is it possible R&R had some rule in place that once a song fell off the chart after x amount of weeks it couldn't come back ever even in a circumstance like this? I know Sheriff hit #1 in 89 with its song but did they ever chart originally with it on R&R at all in the early 80s? It's a good question. I'm not sure how high (if at all) Sheriff got the first go around on R and R, so I looked up the other two songs that did reenter the Top 40 after falling off the charts in the 1980's: The Pointer Sister's "I'm So Excited" and UB40's, "Red Red Wine". On the R-n-R chart, "Excited" peaked at 26 on 10/22/82 and then again at 14 on 10/12/84. "Wine" peaked at 30 on 3/23/84 and 1 on 10/7/88, less than a year before "Into The Night" would be back on. It just seems totally odd that "Night" would not have been on the chart in 1989. It's not as egregious as omitting "All I Want For Christmas Is You" by Mariah Carey, but it is up there. Even with that song, they might have some type of "seasonal" rule. They must have had something in place for Mardones to not hit again, but after seeing UB40 go back up less than a year before I can't imagine what it would be. That's also not including "Send Me An Angel" and "Where Are You Now" both of which were songs that reentered the Hot 100 after dropping off. Both songs hit R and R's top 40 (and subsequently CT 40) around the same time in 1989 as Benny should have. Granted, "Angel" was a different mix, but still both hit CT 40 in the summer of 1989. |
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on May 2, 2013 13:11:02 GMT -5
And don't forget "Hooked on You" by the girl group Sweet Sensation. That originally charted in 1987 (never made it to AT40 then), but got re-released and made it to AT40 in July 1989. Not sure if it made it to CT40, though. Back to the original topic: Perhaps it was driven more by sales than airplay in 1989. Try looking at the separate sales and airplay breakdowns of the Hot 100. As far as I know, my local radio station (OZ FM in Newfoundland) never played "Into The Night" regularly in 1989. It did play on occasion as part of the radio station's classics hour "Electric Lunch", as if the song was from 1980 and not a 1989 re-release. The song did appear on AT40 in the summer of 1989 because the chart AT40 used depended solely on sales of commerical singles and not just radio airplay. "Into the Night" got more sales of commercial singles in 1989 than it did radio airplay, therefore barely making the top 20 in July 1989 and not making the top 40 on R&R during that particular year and time period. Besides, the magazine was called Radio & Records for a reason. If it ranked high on the airplay chart, then perhaps R&R had some policy that kept "Into the Night" from recharting in 1989. It sounds like the reverse of why "State of the World" by Janet Jackson made it to the R&R top 5, yet never qualified for a spot on the Billboard Hot 100. I can't imagine the "season" theory could possibly apply to "Into The Night", especially when "Red Red Wine" hit the top 40 in the spring of 1984 and recharted in the fall of 1988. Christmas, I can fully understand. But then again, Christmas songs that were on the Hot 100 fell down the chart so quickly because sales of singles were non-prevalent as we entered a new year. Wouldn't be surprised if "Do They Know It's Christmas" took massive drops after hitting its peak by mid-January 1985. "All I Want For Christmas Is You" by Mariah Carey hit the top 10 early in 1995, and fell out of the top 40 from the top 10 the following week - a week or two before the finale of the original run of AT40 aired. |
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Post by mkarns on May 2, 2013 14:19:56 GMT -5
And don't forget "Hooked on You" by the girl group Sweet Sensation. That originally charted in 1987 (never made it to AT40 then), but got re-released and made it to AT40 in July 1989. Not sure if it made it to CT40, though. Back to the original topic: Perhaps it was driven more by sales than airplay in 1989. Try looking at the separate sales and airplay breakdowns of the Hot 100. As far as I know, my local radio station (OZ FM in Newfoundland) never played "Into The Night" regularly in 1989. It did play on occasion as part of the radio station's classics hour "Electric Lunch", as if the song was from 1980 and not a 1989 re-release. The song did appear on AT40 in the summer of 1989 because the chart AT40 used depended solely on sales of commerical singles and not just radio airplay. "Into the Night" got more sales of commercial singles in 1989 than it did radio airplay, therefore barely making the top 20 in July 1989 and not making the top 40 on R&R during that particular year and time period. Besides, the magazine was called Radio & Records for a reason. Sweet Sensation's "Hooked on You" hit #22 in Radio & Records and #23 in Billboard in summer 1989, at about the same time "Into the Night" recharted in Billboard. While airplay of the "Into the Night" must have varied by market, I can say that it was played to death in 1989 in the Washington DC area, though perhaps helped by the fact that Mardones is a Maryland native and so had the local factor going for him. But since the song was reissued after radio DJ's elsewhere rediscovered it, it must have gotten a significant amount of airplay in other markets as well. My best guess is that there must have been some sort of rules technicality at R&R that kept it off their chart. |
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Post by Shadoe Fan on May 2, 2013 14:43:20 GMT -5
Right after 9/11 older songs such as Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down" were getting increased airplay. At the time, I believe R&R said something like they won't let these songs re-enter the charts because they weren't getting official promotion from the record labels. I wonder if something similar happened with "Into the Night" in 1989. Perhaps the label never officially promoted its re-release, but radio stations played it anyway.
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Post by woolebull on May 3, 2013 1:36:13 GMT -5
As Mkarns said, I can't speak for the rest of the nation, but I can tell you in the NC and VA major markets the song got solid airplay. That's why I asked the question in the first place. It was an interesting year with singles reappearing, old acts coming back (Doobie Brothers, Poco, Bee Gees) and doing well, and songs debuting as high as 34 on the Top 40 without a bullet. I understand the point that the sales helped to drive the song into the Top 20, but as mentioned earlier, it did peak at 25 on the Billboard airplay component. A song that nationally was in the Top 25 on Billboard's airplay chart should seemingly hit the Top 40 on R & R.
Speaking of songs reappearing around that time, how about "What About Me" by Moving Pictures tacking on 16 more weeks in the Hot 100 in 1989, though never making the top 40 on either AT or CT. The four months it spent on the charts in 1989 gave it 42 weeks total on the Hot 100. Not bad for a song that never made it past number 29. The most impressive thing to me about "What About Me" and its second run is that it spent more time in the Hot 100 in 1989 than some big time songs like "Express Yourself" which went to number 2 and one less week than number 1 "Batdance". Oh, that crazy year 1989!
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Post by shadster on May 4, 2013 10:13:01 GMT -5
I too recall hearing into the nite on DC stations an also in Norfolk va beach. I also heard it on John landers hit music USA.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on May 4, 2013 13:55:08 GMT -5
Right after 9/11 older songs such as Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down" were getting increased airplay. What is the correlation between the 9/11 aftermath and "I Won't Back Down"? |
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Post by Shadoe Fan on May 4, 2013 14:28:50 GMT -5
Right after 9/11 older songs such as Tom Petty's "I Won't Back Down" were getting increased airplay. What is the correlation between the 9/11 aftermath and "I Won't Back Down"? I believe it was played in the spirit of we won't back down against terrorists. |
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Post by Mike on May 4, 2013 15:11:38 GMT -5
It's a good question. I'm not sure how high (if at all) Sheriff got the first go around on R and R... They only had the one go-round, in '89; if a 1983 run is not listed, it means the song failed to chart entirely that year. In any case, they only got up to #61 on Billboard in 1983 anyway - not a strong indicator of even reaching R&R's chart in those days. But, I must also point out that the original release in '83 also happened to coincide with R&R's final weeks of only going down to 30; their June 10 issue marked the return to 40 after having switched back to 30 in late 1976. (Their first stint with going down to 40 lasted for nearly two years, from late 1974 to late 1976.) |
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