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Post by woolebull on Jul 20, 2013 17:27:29 GMT -5
I just thought of something: if "Blurred Lines" dropped, say, 16 notches next week, it wouldn't break the record of Billy Preston or Dionne and the Spinners, because AT 40 uses R and R from that time for their record keeping. So what song, according to AT 40 present, would be considered to have the biggest drop from number one?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 17:46:43 GMT -5
By present, do you mean Seacrest era? 98-now? Billboard becomes a joke era? Which one?
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Post by woolebull on Jul 20, 2013 17:59:06 GMT -5
I mean for the whole of the AT 40 era, but what the present incarnation of AT 40 would recognize. That becomes tricky because, as was noted in another thread, the present day AT 40 recognizes for their chart history Billboard until 1973, R and R until like 2009, and whatever they are using now.
So, while "Uncle Albert" is still the largest jumper to one, because it happened before 1973, "Nothing from Nothing" and "Then Came You" didn't even hit number one on R and R in 1974. Which would mean that if Ryan was answering a question of biggest dropper from 1, it would have to be another song(s).
It's confusing even trying to explain it. I feel like I working with an alternate history. I guess my question boils down to: a) what was the biggest dropper from 1 between 1970 and 1973 on Billboard and b) what was the biggest dropper from 1 on R and R from 1973 until AT40 stopped using them for their charts.
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Jul 20, 2013 20:07:36 GMT -5
Drastic droppers from #1 (out of the top 10) were much more common in the 1970s---from 1980 on, in most cases, songs didn't fall from #1 to any position lower than #7 or #8
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Post by Hervard on Jul 21, 2013 18:11:28 GMT -5
The biggest fall out of #1 in R&R Pop chart history would be "Walk Like An Egyptian" by the Bangles. It fell from #1 to #11 in January, 1987 (and that wasn't even after a two week break - R&R only took a one-week break back then and besides, it was the second chart of the year). As for the second biggest drop from the top (in case some people still say that wouldn't count), well, there is a tie between several songs that dropped to #9 - "Rock Me Amadeus", "Get Out Of My Dreams, Get Into My Car" and "Dirty Diana" are the ones that come to mind.
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Post by woolebull on Jul 21, 2013 21:06:57 GMT -5
The biggest fall out of #1 in R&R Pop chart history would be "Walk Like An Egyptian" by the Bangles. It fell from #1 to #11 in January, 1987 (and that wasn't even after a two week break - R&R only took a one-week break back then and besides, it was the second chart of the year). As for the second biggest drop from the top (in case some people still say that wouldn't count), well, there is a tie between several songs that dropped to #9 - "Rock Me Amadeus", "Get Out Of My Dreams, Get Into My Car" and "Dirty Diana" are the ones that come to mind. Thank you...I didn't realize that "Egyptian" tumbled all the way out of the top 10! So "Egyptian" is the gold standard for droppers, just in case, we see some "catch up" chart action somewhere down the road. |
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jul 22, 2013 9:01:27 GMT -5
The impression I always got was that Ryan went by AT40 history. So he goes by the top 40 portion of the Billboard Hot 100 for anything before 1992. AT40 only used R&R from 1998 to 2003. After that, he only uses the charts the shows counted down. All in all, AT40 itself is his primary source.
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Post by mkarns on Jul 22, 2013 10:49:43 GMT -5
The impression I always got was that Ryan went by AT40 history. So he goes by the top 40 portion of the Billboard Hot 100 for anything before 1992. AT40 only used R&R from 1998 to 2003. After that, he only uses the charts the shows counted down. All in all, AT40 itself is his primary source. I've heard him cite Radio & Records data for the 1970s, 80s, and early 90s, so I think that's AT40's go-to source for data in its existence (starting in fall 1973), as it was for Casey's Top 40 and AT40 from 1998-2003. He cited Billboard data this weekend from 1971, when there was no Radio & Records. |
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Jul 22, 2013 12:18:09 GMT -5
Drastic droppers from #1 (out of the top 10) were much more common in the 1970s---from 1980 on, in most cases, songs didn't fall from #1 to any position lower than #7 or #8 One rare example of a song that took an unusually huge drop from #1 on AT40 in the 80's was Phil Collins' "Two Hearts" - fell from #1 to #10 in January or February 1989. I think it was during the final weeks of the 1984 jingle package. I don't know if that feat was repeated or beaten during the second run from 1998 onward. Definitely never happened during the rest of Shadoe's run, that's for sure. The impression I always got was that Ryan went by AT40 history. So he goes by the top 40 portion of the Billboard Hot 100 for anything before 1992. AT40 only used R&R from 1998 to 2003. After that, he only uses the charts the shows counted down. All in all, AT40 itself is his primary source. I thought MediaBase was the source that Ryan uses? |
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jul 22, 2013 12:35:10 GMT -5
When Ryan took over the show in January 2004, one thing I did remember him saying was the chart they used was based on airplay from ONLY the affiliates that carried the show. They may have used Mediabase data for tabulation but I do recall him saying this for the first year or two.
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Post by woolebull on Jul 22, 2013 16:11:26 GMT -5
The impression I always got was that Ryan went by AT40 history. So he goes by the top 40 portion of the Billboard Hot 100 for anything before 1992. AT40 only used R&R from 1998 to 2003. After that, he only uses the charts the shows counted down. All in all, AT40 itself is his primary source. I think it has already been answered, but it seems that R and R is what he uses up to 2003. I think someone mentioned that he mentioned (or played) Police's "Every Breath You Take" and reference it as the number one song on the 80's in a 2010 special, which would line up with R and R instead of AT40 history. |
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Post by Shadoe Fan on Jul 22, 2013 17:19:39 GMT -5
As an aside, since we were talking about falls from #1: on this week's medibase hot ac chart, the record for biggest fall from #1 is tied as "Just Give Me a Reason" falls from 1 to 5. This ties the record as heard on Casey's Hot 20 in 1995 by ""I'm the Only One" and "As I Lay Me Down". On the same chart this week, Maroon 5 tie for the biggest move to number one as "Love Somebody" moves 4-1. This ties "You Gotta Be" (1995) and "Big Girls Don't Cry" (2007). (hot ac began in radio and records in April 1994)
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Post by marv101 on Jul 27, 2013 11:00:07 GMT -5
One record which was set in 1985 and which will obviously remain untouched forever was 'We Are The World' setting a record with 235 adds in its first week, yet ludicrously debuted at #21 despite selling over 3000,000 copies in its first week at retail; it should have debuted at #1 and easily wound up #1 for the entire year.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Aug 25, 2013 23:20:15 GMT -5
Herb Alpert #1 vocal...This Guy's In Love w/You and #1 instrumental Rise
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Post by lasvegaskid on May 21, 2014 16:21:08 GMT -5
New this week! Michael Jackson becomes only artist to notch a top 10 Hot 100 hit in each of five decades!
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