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Post by brownjb81 on Feb 16, 2012 0:53:19 GMT -5
WKRP in Cincinnati was one of my favorite TV shows from back in the day. There are 2 songs that came out in 1979 and everytime I hear those song, for some reason, I always think about WKRP in Cincinnati because they were featured in episodes from that show and they are:
Goodbye Stranger--Supertramp
After The Love Has Gone--Earth, Wind and Fire
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Feb 16, 2012 10:11:06 GMT -5
"After The Love Has Gone" was played on WKRP In Cincinnati because, according to Wikipedia at one point, it mentioned that it had to do with a then-recent real-life tragedy at a Who concert in that same city that year - where 11 fans were trampled to death. I remember hearing that song at the very beginning of one episode on a CBC rerun in August 1993.
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Post by 40fan on Feb 16, 2012 13:12:19 GMT -5
This is my favorite clip; and I should stress that I have no issue with the included song! Johnny just lets it all out here. In the real world, anyone doing something like this would be out the door in less than a minute! www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0TfNN7Gl_IAlso, you guys can have all the Loni Anderson you want. Jan Smithers was my crush! |
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Feb 16, 2012 20:14:43 GMT -5
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Post by Michael on Feb 16, 2012 20:24:46 GMT -5
Just to give you guys a heads the digital tv network AntennaTv will start broadcasting WKRP this coming April.
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Post by mrjukebox on Feb 16, 2012 20:53:42 GMT -5
That's good news-Unfortunately,we WKRP aficionados will have to tape the episodes since the remaining three seasons won't be released on DVD-I believe it has something to do with music rights issues.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Feb 17, 2012 7:53:00 GMT -5
That's good news-Unfortunately,we WKRP aficionados will have to tape the episodes since the remaining three seasons won't be released on DVD-I believe it has something to do with music rights issues. Is it possible that the season with "After The Love Has Gone" and "Goodbye Stranger" is one of those remaining 3 seasons that won't appear on DVD? I wouldn't be surprised if the only seasons of WKRP In Cincinnati that AntennaTV will air are strictly episodes that are on the DVD only. Man, how I hate the RIAA so much. |
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Post by mstgator on Feb 17, 2012 22:13:11 GMT -5
My favorite WKRP scene (not specifically comedy related) was one where Devo's "Whip It" was played in its entirety. What made it so memorable to me was the way the rapid fire dialogue (among three characters) was timed out perfectly between the song's intro and outcue.
And yes, it stinks that many episodes had music-replacements after the original network runs (even for syndication). If you were lucky enough to tape the original CBS run (and your videotapes haven't disintegrated), you're sitting on a goldmine.
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Post by mrjukebox on Feb 18, 2012 8:50:36 GMT -5
"The Wonder Years" was another great show that will never be released on DVD-Like "WKRP In Cincinnati",the main reason is music rights issues.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Feb 18, 2012 16:48:22 GMT -5
CBC in Canada had no problems with airing the original broadcasts of WKRP In Cincinnati back in around 1993. I know, because "After The Love Has Gone" was heard at the beginning of a 1979 or early 1980 broadcast. Maybe music rights issues isn't that big a deal in Canada, unlike in the U.S.
CBC also aired The Wonder Years in syndicated reruns - that song's theme was Joe Cocker's "With A Little Help From My Friends".
Yeah, it's people like the RIAA that has strict rules not allowing shows or episodes with copyrighted music to be aired in any form in the U.S. In Canada, the laws may be a bit different - until Stephen Harper or some future prime minister may go the way of the U.S. someday, which thankfully won't happen any time soon.
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Post by michaelcasselman on Feb 18, 2012 19:13:42 GMT -5
I'm not sure it's the RIAA per se that's prohibiting these from being rerun/released on DVD, but rather it's cost prohibitive for the studios to release the number of DVDs that could be sold of a niche series (like these are) that would offset the costs of getting permission from the artists whose songs are being used. Such is the risk of many series that rely on (amongst other genres) pop music as an integral part of setting the mood of a series. I've even heard that a series like (on CBS?) Cold Case, which aired within the last decade, may have a similar rough time if they ever thought about releasing it on DVD due to it's reliance on period music and tracking down and securing rights to redistribution.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Feb 19, 2012 14:52:39 GMT -5
Yeah, but those shows like Gong Show and Name That Tune, which cannot be re-aired on GSN, didn't think that years later there'd be interest in reruns of the show or even that there'd be a home release.
I love WKRP and wish they'd figure something out. Makes me want to buy a bootleg DVD set!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 15:39:29 GMT -5
My understanding (and perhaps it's a wrong understanding) is as long as the show is airing in its same medium rights aren't usually an issue. This is why shows like WKRP and the 1960s Batman which never has a prayer of a DVD release can and does still run on television networks. The problem with these things comes in wanting to put them on new media formats. So, VHS, then later DVD, Blu-Ray, Digital downloads, etc. These aren't covered in original music/celeb appearance contracts and agreements. So, if they can't come to terms on those they either have to remove the content they dont have rights to or not air them at all. Even 20 years ago with the Wonder Years, videocassette had been around for over 10 years and laser disc was on the verge of starting and failing, so it's possible that even then no one thought there would be any different video sources for content. I don't think you'll have these same issues with newer shows that have come along in this age of TV.
And I maintain until someone who REALLY KNOWS informs me otherwise, the Gong Show or Name that Tune could air on GSN.
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Post by vto66 on Feb 19, 2012 16:33:47 GMT -5
My understanding (and perhaps it's a wrong understanding) is as long as the show is airing in its same medium rights aren't usually an issue. This is why shows like WKRP and the 1960s Batman which never has a prayer of a DVD release can and does still run on television networks. The problem with these things comes in wanting to put them on new media formats. So, VHS, then later DVD, Blu-Ray, Digital downloads, etc. These aren't covered in original music/celeb appearance contracts and agreements. So, if they can't come to terms on those they either have to remove the content they dont have rights to or not air them at all. Even 20 years ago with the Wonder Years, videocassette had been around for over 10 years and laser disc was on the verge of starting and failing, so it's possible that even then no one thought there would be any different video sources for content. I don't think you'll have these same issues with newer shows that have come along in this age of TV. And I maintain until someone who REALLY KNOWS informs me otherwise, the Gong Show or Name that Tune could air on GSN. Then maybe they need to change the rules to cover all media (TV, DVD/home video, downloads, etc.) so they won't have to keep replacing music. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 17:21:24 GMT -5
My understanding (and perhaps it's a wrong understanding) is as long as the show is airing in its same medium rights aren't usually an issue. This is why shows like WKRP and the 1960s Batman which never has a prayer of a DVD release can and does still run on television networks. The problem with these things comes in wanting to put them on new media formats. So, VHS, then later DVD, Blu-Ray, Digital downloads, etc. These aren't covered in original music/celeb appearance contracts and agreements. So, if they can't come to terms on those they either have to remove the content they dont have rights to or not air them at all. Even 20 years ago with the Wonder Years, videocassette had been around for over 10 years and laser disc was on the verge of starting and failing, so it's possible that even then no one thought there would be any different video sources for content. I don't think you'll have these same issues with newer shows that have come along in this age of TV. And I maintain until someone who REALLY KNOWS informs me otherwise, the Gong Show or Name that Tune could air on GSN. Then maybe they need to change the rules to cover all media (TV, DVD/home video, downloads, etc.) so they won't have to keep replacing music. You can't do that for existing properties unless the rights holder wishes to do so. We'll use WKRP again as an example. The show is recorded. The group who owns the show would like to release this show on DVD. But let's also say they are forward thinking and realize the show could be released in some other medium until the end of time so they go to the rights holder of a song in it and ask not only for DVD use but also all future use as well. The right holder of the music has the show owners over a barrel. The fact that the music is already in the show means you either have to pay them in exhorbitant amount to have it remain in the show, edit it out, play something else over top of that song which depending on how the show was originally recorded may really sound like crap (See WWE DVD releases of old matches for further info), or not air the show. Any option other than paying them puts less $$$ in your pocket as owners of the show because plenty of people won't buy it if it's not the original. So, why should the owner of the music play ball when they or their estate can get paid heavily again later? Not to mention, since paying them could cost a lot of $$$$ tye shows owner and DVD distributor could end up not making anything on these releases because if they do that for 1 song, they have to do it for all. New shows on the other hand the producers and show owners have the advantage. The show is being produced currently. It's never been aired. So, it isnt like you've seen it before and are expecting the song. These type agreements may be being used and signed by artist who allow their music in shows now because everyone recognizes the different platforms this show could be released on now and later. No one thought that back then. I thought if I ever got 50 channels on cable there would always be something on at least one of them worth watching, and that'd be about all we'd ever get unless you have a HUGE satellite dish. Well, now I have a small dish, Directv, over 250 base package channels plus we subscribe to sports pack, NFL Sunday Ticket, MLB Extra Innings, and NHL Center Ice and there's far fewer times there's anything good to watch on than when I had 36 channels. |
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