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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 29, 2024 18:41:41 GMT -5
But let´s take an example of an artist whose music is "naturally" well known both in America and in Austria: Prince And let´s limit ourselves to the presumably best-known songs from the decade of the 80s.
Which of the following songs should be in an A-rotation and why should this or that song perhaps not be in rotation at all ? I would be very interested in an answer to this question.
Here´s the list - not chronologically, but alphabetically: 1999 - Alphabet St. - Batdance - Delirious - I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man - I Would Die 4 U - Kiss - Let´s Go Crazy - Little Red Corvette - Mountains - Pop Life - Purple Rain - Raspberry Beret - Sign "o" the Times - Take Me With U - U Got The Look - When Doves Cry
High rotation: 1999, Kiss, Little Red Corvette, When Doves Cry Borderline: Raspberry Beret
Medium rotation: I Wanna Be Your Lover, I Would Die 4 U, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain Forgotten 45s: Delirious, Take Me With U, U Got The Look
Possible Forgotten 45s, but weaker: I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man, Pop Life, Sign O The Times
No longer in consideration: Alphabet St., Batdance, Mountains
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Post by dukelightning on Oct 29, 2024 19:16:50 GMT -5
That's as I would have expected except for "Lets go Crazy" which I would have guessed was in high rotation.
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Post by dth1971 on Oct 29, 2024 19:37:30 GMT -5
But let´s take an example of an artist whose music is "naturally" well known both in America and in Austria: Prince And let´s limit ourselves to the presumably best-known songs from the decade of the 80s.
Which of the following songs should be in an A-rotation and why should this or that song perhaps not be in rotation at all ? I would be very interested in an answer to this question.
Here´s the list - not chronologically, but alphabetically: 1999 - Alphabet St. - Batdance - Delirious - I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man - I Would Die 4 U - Kiss - Let´s Go Crazy - Little Red Corvette - Mountains - Pop Life - Purple Rain - Raspberry Beret - Sign "o" the Times - Take Me With U - U Got The Look - When Doves Cry
High rotation: 1999, Kiss, Little Red Corvette, When Doves Cry Borderline: Raspberry Beret
Medium rotation: I Wanna Be Your Lover, I Would Die 4 U, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain Forgotten 45s: Delirious, Take Me With U, U Got The Look
Possible Forgotten 45s, but weaker: I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man, Pop Life, Sign O The Times
No longer in consideration: Alphabet St., Batdance, Mountains
What about Prince's non top 40 pop entries - "Let's Pretend We're Married", "Darling Nikki", "America", "Hot Thing", "Glam Slam", and "I Wish U Heaven". Also: You forgot 2 other Prince forgotten top 40 pop chart 45s of "Partyman" and "The Arms of Orion". |
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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 29, 2024 20:31:02 GMT -5
What about Prince's non top 40 pop entries - "Let's Pretend We're Married", "Darling Nikki", "America", "Hot Thing", "Glam Slam", and "I Wish U Heaven". Also: You forgot 2 other Prince forgotten top 40 pop chart 45s of "Partyman" and "The Arms of Orion". None of those receive any airplay on Classic Hits stations monitored by Mediabase, which is the industry go-to for such information ... at least, not on any of the monitored stations (there may be some smaller stations in unrated markets which are too insignificant to be monitored, and for all I know those titles might be getting airplay, but in effect that has no effect).
The "Triple A" (Adult Album Alternative) format probably plays some of those, but the vast majority of Triple A stations are non-commercial and therefore do not have any influence on commercial stations' play.
In other words, all of those tracks might just as well no longer exist. I didn't "forget" them, they simply aren't countable.
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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 29, 2024 20:39:24 GMT -5
That's as I would have expected except for "Lets go Crazy" which I would have guessed was in high rotation. It has been declining in airplay over the past year and crossed over the threshold around July/August. |
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Post by jmack19 on Oct 29, 2024 23:22:21 GMT -5
Premiere optional extras for 11/2/85:
"Home Sweet Home" Motley Crue
"Party All The Time" Eddie Murphy
"Tarzan Boy" Baltimora
"Say You Say Me" Lionel Richie
"Tarzan Boy" replaces "Burning Heart" Survivor.
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Post by mkarns on Oct 29, 2024 23:32:26 GMT -5
High rotation: 1999, Kiss, Little Red Corvette, When Doves Cry Borderline: Raspberry Beret
Medium rotation: I Wanna Be Your Lover, I Would Die 4 U, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain Forgotten 45s: Delirious, Take Me With U, U Got The Look
Possible Forgotten 45s, but weaker: I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man, Pop Life, Sign O The Times
No longer in consideration: Alphabet St., Batdance, Mountains
What about Prince's non top 40 pop entries - "Let's Pretend We're Married", "Darling Nikki", "America", "Hot Thing", "Glam Slam", and "I Wish U Heaven". Also: You forgot 2 other Prince forgotten top 40 pop chart 45s of "Partyman" and "The Arms of Orion". If "Batdance" isn't under consideration, then its two lesser charting followups certainly aren't. Frankly the whole Batman album seems to be a near forgotten part of his catalog--it may have been a big hit, but arguably was a very ephemeral one, coasting on the strength of the movie. And even for an artist as well regarded as Prince we shouldn't expect songs that weren't top 40 hits even when new to get much recurrent airplay now, even before considering reservations about the content of songs such as "Darling Nikki" which arguably inspired Tipper Gore to start what became the PMRC. |
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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 30, 2024 0:16:27 GMT -5
Premiere optional extras for 11/2/85: "Home Sweet Home" Motley Crue "Party All The Time" Eddie Murphy "Tarzan Boy" Baltimora "Say You Say Me" Lionel Richie "Tarzan Boy" replaces "Burning Heart" Survivor. And wait until you hear the sloppy edit on the Baltimora. |
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Post by listenerwants2know on Oct 30, 2024 3:56:18 GMT -5
But let´s take an example of an artist whose music is "naturally" well known both in America and in Austria: Prince And let´s limit ourselves to the presumably best-known songs from the decade of the 80s.
Which of the following songs should be in an A-rotation and why should this or that song perhaps not be in rotation at all ? I would be very interested in an answer to this question.
Here´s the list - not chronologically, but alphabetically: 1999 - Alphabet St. - Batdance - Delirious - I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man - I Would Die 4 U - Kiss - Let´s Go Crazy - Little Red Corvette - Mountains - Pop Life - Purple Rain - Raspberry Beret - Sign "o" the Times - Take Me With U - U Got The Look - When Doves Cry
High rotation: 1999, Kiss, Little Red Corvette, When Doves Cry Borderline: Raspberry Beret
Medium rotation: I Wanna Be Your Lover, I Would Die 4 U, Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain Forgotten 45s: Delirious, Take Me With U, U Got The Look
Possible Forgotten 45s, but weaker: I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man, Pop Life, Sign O The Times
No longer in consideration: Alphabet St., Batdance, Mountains
Thanks for the quick reply - I think "Borderline" corresponds to the B-rotation. So, for example, we only get to hear "Mountains" by Prince when it´s on AT40 in the 6/14/86 to 7/19/86 time slot (eliminating 6/14/86 as a guest-hosted show) or when it´s scheduled as a Premiere extra. And so the typical recognition of the AT40 from the Flashback series could be used again: "All the great songs ... and some you may have forgotten." (even if I haven´t forgotten them in reality either) |
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Post by dth1971 on Oct 30, 2024 6:45:12 GMT -5
What about Prince's non top 40 pop entries - "Let's Pretend We're Married", "Darling Nikki", "America", "Hot Thing", "Glam Slam", and "I Wish U Heaven". Also: You forgot 2 other Prince forgotten top 40 pop chart 45s of "Partyman" and "The Arms of Orion". If "Batdance" isn't under consideration, then its two lesser charting followups certainly aren't. Frankly the whole Batman album seems to be a near forgotten part of his catalog--it may have been a big hit, but arguably was a very ephemeral one, coasting on the strength of the movie. And even for an artist as well regarded as Prince we shouldn't expect songs that weren't top 40 hits even when new to get much recurrent airplay now, even before considering reservations about the content of songs such as "Darling Nikki" which arguably inspired Tipper Gore to start what became the PMRC. "Batdance" should have been a good song to play over Halloween season. |
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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 30, 2024 21:20:34 GMT -5
So, for example, we only get to hear "Mountains" by Prince when it´s on AT40 in the 6/14/86 to 7/19/86 time slot (eliminating 6/14/86 as a guest-hosted show) or when it´s scheduled as a Premiere extra. And so the typical recognition of the AT40 from the Flashback series could be used again: "All the great songs ... and some you may have forgotten." (even if I haven´t forgotten them in reality either) I have already referred here to my hourly "Forgotten 45" feature. The concept is similar to the quote you included; the idea is to play songs a few times during a three-week period that listeners such as yourself remember but which are no longer the "consensus favorites" that we need to focus on to hold an audience.
That said -- and going back to what I said earlier about why I am always disappointed when Premiere chooses to offer as "extras" songs which are consensus favorites and thus are played all the time outside of the show -- I'd like to finish answering the concerns of some here about what criteria I use to select the extras on KRKE. And I hope that in the process of explaining, it will be easier to see why I sometimes play the "wrong year" extras.
The ones that always get my attention first are the ones that I don't play at all, even as a feature. To me, those are just as potentially interesting to the audience as that song which made a single appearance on AT40, at #39, never to be heard again. - Then I go for songs which I do play, as Forgotten 45s, but which are not currently active. The longer the period of time since I last played them, the better.
- New Wave songs which are in our "Flashback Weekend" library (which is on Friday and Saturday evenings) are going to be ones that much of our audience hasn't heard because FW is a specialty show. So when one of those is an extra, I'll usually play it. Yes, that means "Tarzan Boy" is scheduled for this Sunday on KRKE.
- At this point, if there is a "B" show with no extras meeting the above criteria, I look at the "A" show extras.
- When Premiere gives me no choice other than regularly played songs, I will try to select the ones in my secondary rotation category ... but only if they aren't already scheduled on that Sunday.
- Songs in the power rotation are never considered unless all of the above options have been exhausted.
If that makes me "unreliable", so be it. I'm trying for the most interesting audience experience possible, which includes more than just the fans here.
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Post by mrjukebox on Oct 31, 2024 7:16:28 GMT -5
My local AC station in Connecticut,WEBE 108,does play a substantial amount of Prince songs-"Little Red Corvette","1999","Let's Go Crazy","Kiss" to name just a few-However,they overlook songs like "Delirious","Sign O' The Times",& "Pop Life"-Is there a reason for this?-Welcome to the AT40 Fun & Games Site,K.M.Richards.
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Post by LC on Oct 31, 2024 7:51:08 GMT -5
My local AC station in Connecticut,WEBE 108,does play a substantial amount of Prince songs-"Little Red Corvette","1999","Let's Go Crazy","Kiss" to name just a few-However,they overlook songs like "Delirious","Sign O' The Times",& "Pop Life"-Is there a reason for this?-Welcome to the AT40 Fun & Games Site,K.M.Richards. My guess is focus groups/research have shown those songs don't test as well with audiences as the others. Slight rabbit trail--one of the YouTubers I watch, Adam Reeder, aka Professor of Rock, often does a show where he takes the top 10 Billboard songs of a given week and re-ranks them according to how many streams/views the songs have had since their original time period. Often, the results are quite startling, with lower-peaking tunes now surpassing the songs above them at the time. I think the level of "self-chosen airplay" by streaming subscribers is a valid indicator of a song's enduring popularity, since taste morphs over time. |
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Post by seminolefan on Oct 31, 2024 11:05:23 GMT -5
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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 31, 2024 13:53:31 GMT -5
My local AC station in Connecticut,WEBE 108,does play a substantial amount of Prince songs-"Little Red Corvette","1999","Let's Go Crazy","Kiss" to name just a few-However,they overlook songs like "Delirious","Sign O' The Times",& "Pop Life"-Is there a reason for this?-Welcome to the AT40 Fun & Games Site,K.M.Richards. My guess is focus groups/research have shown those songs don't test as well with audiences as the others. Slight rabbit trail--one of the YouTubers I watch, Adam Reeder, aka Professor of Rock, often does a show where he takes the top 10 Billboard songs of a given week and re-ranks them according to how many streams/views the songs have had since their original time period. Often, the results are quite startling, with lower-peaking tunes now surpassing the songs above them at the time. I think the level of "self-chosen airplay" by streaming subscribers is a valid indicator of a song's enduring popularity, since taste morphs over time. First, thank you again for the welcome, mrjukebox .
As for LC 's observations: Your first sentence is undoubtedly the case. If WEBE isn't doing their own research, they can get a good picture of a song's overall popularity at the moment by using the Mediabase airplay monitors and filtering by Adult Contemporary-formatted stations. (And I have already explained in my earlier post that the three songs which are "overlooked" have declined in popularity to the point where I only play them in my "Forgotten 45s" feature ... and unless a station has a feature such as that, those songs simply no longer make the cut.)
Any station with significant gold airplay is going to avoid songs that are no longer overwhelmingly popular, because they risk significant tune out when they play one. Refer to my earlier post about the concept of "consensus favorites", which means we stick to the songs that the audience will stay for. That is obviously what WEBE is doing, because indeed tastes do morph over time ... and stream listener preferences do mirror what we see in radio listener research.
"Overlook" is a poor choice of words in this context.
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