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Post by briguy52748 on Aug 11, 2011 21:14:21 GMT -5
I'm still going to go Aug. 28, 1971 for the following weekend. There must be a 1971 in there, there's gotta be a 1971 coming up here.
Brian
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 11, 2011 21:36:11 GMT -5
If there is not a 1971 show the next 2 weeks on Premiere nor SXM, there will have been no 71 shows played by either in 3 straight months. That last happened late last year and earlier this year when neither played a show from Dec 75, Jan and Feb 76. SXM played the 8/28/71 show last year so chances are they don't play that show again. And that was a great show BTW.
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Post by saltrek on Aug 11, 2011 21:49:48 GMT -5
If you look at that top 14 from 8/19/78, I think it comes down to one song that was an example of the bullet chart policy and one song that had a lot of staying power, that caused the holding pattern. Last Dance held at #3 because it was bulleted the previous week and Billboard chart policy stated that a bulleted song could not drop the following week. Otherwise, it could have and probably would have dropped allowing some unclogging in the top 10. The song that had a lot of staying power that had a part in causing this was Miss You. After falling out the #1 spot to #4, it held at 4 on 8/19 and then climbed a notch to 3. If it had continued dropping as most former #1 songs do, it would have allowed other songs to move up. As it was, chart history was made that week! During this time period, my next door neighbor commuted to NYC to go to work. He was big time chart follower and would buy the new issue of Billboard from a newsstand in Grand Central Station every Monday. Usually after dinner on Mondays , I would go over to his house and he would let me look at the issue. During the week of 8/12, he told me that the following week the top 14 songs were going to stay the same. I had no idea about the "bullet" rule. This was my introduction to it. Now, in looking back at the 8/12 issue, there was only one song without a bullet - Miss You - which had just fallen from 1-4. And that was most likely a "forced" drop to #4, since the previous week, the top 4 all had bullets. So, I guess my neighbor was assuming that Miss You was not going to drop any lower. At any rate, he turned out to be correct. |
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 11, 2011 22:00:58 GMT -5
While I am not surprised he made that prediction, I would not say that Miss You was forced to drop to #4. That's because the #2 and 3 songs did actually climb. So they were true rankings in the sense that they did not get to be #2 or 3 by default. Miss You could have dropped to any position in the top 4 the week of 8/12.
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Post by reachinforthestars on Aug 12, 2011 0:08:55 GMT -5
If you look at that top 14 from 8/19/78, I think it comes down to one song that was an example of the bullet chart policy and one song that had a lot of staying power, that caused the holding pattern. Last Dance held at #3 because it was bulleted the previous week and Billboard chart policy stated that a bulleted song could not drop the following week. Otherwise, it could have and probably would have dropped allowing some unclogging in the top 10. The song that had a lot of staying power that had a part in causing this was Miss You. After falling out the #1 spot to #4, it held at 4 on 8/19 and then climbed a notch to 3. If it had continued dropping as most former #1 songs do, it would have allowed other songs to move up. As it was, chart history was made that week! I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of the chart gridlock on 8/19/78. True signs of the bullet chart policy creating chart disruption is when the following week you observe extreme movements. Similar to those major drops occurring around 1982. Yet the following week, only one song dropped from the Top 10. A minor drop from #8 to #14. The song you say was the beneficiary of the bullet policy dropped from #3 to #10. Certainly not an extreme drop as it stayed in the Top 10. "Miss You" was not out of the ordinary in staying power when you look at the staying power of the other singles that had reached or would reach #1 and were in the Top 10 that week. The total number of weeks those songs remained in the top 10: Miss You (9 weeks) Grease (8 weeks) Three Times A Lady (11 weeks) Boogie Oogie Oogie (12 weeks) It was just a time when a number of strong singles were on the chart at the same time. I remember this week vividly as I was working in a record store at the time. I always felt that "Last Dance" was a #1 single based on the popularity I observed at the time in both sales and airplay. It was with utter amazement when I saw how difficult it was for songs to move up the charts during these weeks. All of them were extremely popular and all of them were holding up week after week with little signs of slowing down. It was a very exciting time because these singles were selling like crazy and keeping them in stock was a challenge. I have always felt very blessed for being fortunate enough to work in a record store during 1978 and 1979 when record sales were greater than any other time in the history of music. |
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Post by reachinforthestars on Aug 12, 2011 0:49:00 GMT -5
While I am not surprised he made that prediction, I would not say that Miss You was forced to drop to #4. That's because the #2 and 3 songs did actually climb. So they were true rankings in the sense that they did not get to be #2 or 3 by default. Miss You could have dropped to any position in the top 4 the week of 8/12. If "Last Dance" should have dropped the following week as you suggested in your original post, then wouldn't you have thought "Miss You" would have dropped to #3 and "Last Dance" would have held at #4 instead of moving up with a bullet to #3? |
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Post by kahunaburger61 on Aug 12, 2011 6:56:57 GMT -5
I'll go with 8-18-79 even though first hour will not be played
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 12, 2011 7:49:46 GMT -5
While I am not surprised he made that prediction, I would not say that Miss You was forced to drop to #4. That's because the #2 and 3 songs did actually climb. So they were true rankings in the sense that they did not get to be #2 or 3 by default. Miss You could have dropped to any position in the top 4 the week of 8/12. If "Last Dance" should have dropped the following week as you suggested in your original post, then wouldn't you have thought "Miss You" would have dropped to #3 and "Last Dance" would have held at #4 instead of moving up with a bullet to #3? Hey reachin (again)....I think since Last Dance moved to #3 with a bullet, its chart movement is legitimate that week. I don't see how they put it at #3 without the chart points to justify that ranking. It's only when a song is holding at a position after being bulleted that I question its true ranking. Which is the case for the next week when it is at #3 again. So Miss You had to be at #4 the week that Last Dance moves to 3 but I would think that MY should have been at 3 the next week instead of LD.  Just read your other post. You were obviously on the front lines in this situation. While all your points are true, my point was that all it took was for one or two songs to cause this frozen chart. If Miss you drops as quickly as the previous #1 Shadow Dancing which went 1-5-15 (and this for a monstrous #1 song) or if the bullet policy doesn't keep Last Dance at #3 and lets it drop to say #5 giving a chart run of 4-3-5-10 around its peak, this situation on 8/19/78 does not occur. That said, you provide some great insight from a retail store perspective. |
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 12, 2011 13:08:42 GMT -5
Simply put, the bullet rule was that any song that was bulleted one week could not drop the following week. Of course, the #1 position was not affected by this rule. So before a bulleted record could drop, it had to hold at its position for another week first. BTW, this policy appears to have changed on 4/30/83. That is when Mr. Roboto which had been bulleted at #3 the previous week was dropped to #4.
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Post by jgve1952 on Aug 12, 2011 16:04:05 GMT -5
The dropping with a bullet occurred rarely, but in 1971 it happened with Signs, 8 to 3 with a bullet then drop to 8, in 1974 with Oh Very Young 14 to 10 with a bullet then drop to 13, and 1977 with Couldn't Get It Right 5 to 3 with a bullet, then drop to 7. Yes, dukedeb, starting in 1983, it was commonplace for a song to drop with a bullet that wasn't from #1.
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 12, 2011 16:27:38 GMT -5
Anyone know if that Couldn't Get it Right example is the only such occurance between 1974 and 1983? I think that is when the bullet policy existed making that the only exception.
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Post by jgve1952 on Aug 12, 2011 17:32:19 GMT -5
dukedeb: How about this one--not once but twice I Will Survive dropped to #2 with a bullet. That's pretty unusual too! It happened on March 24 and April 14th, 1979.
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 12, 2011 17:36:09 GMT -5
Good one jgve....that's why Casey said when it dropped to #2 the second time with a bullet that he would not be surprised if it returned to #1....for a third time. It did not but it had a chance I would think.
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Post by reachinforthestars on Aug 12, 2011 23:05:21 GMT -5
If "Last Dance" should have dropped the following week as you suggested in your original post, then wouldn't you have thought "Miss You" would have dropped to #3 and "Last Dance" would have held at #4 instead of moving up with a bullet to #3? So Miss You had to be at #4 the week that Last Dance moves to 3 but I would think that MY should have been at 3 the next week instead of LD. But your speculation that "Miss You" should have been at #3 the next week instead of "Last Dance" is based on what happens the following week. But you are okay with completely disregarding what happened the prior week when "Last Dance" jumped ahead of "Miss You". So why place more emphasis on what happened the following week than what happened the prior week when you come to a conclusion? As I said, there are signs when the bullet policy has made the chart more stagnant than if that policy didn't exist. But this time the evidence is completely inconclusive and there is no way anyone can make that claim. All I can say is that I witnessed first hand what was going on that week and based on that, "Last Dance" should have stayed at #3, bullet policy or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2011 2:35:16 GMT -5
Wow how ABBA´s Waterloo sounds on AT40 , the song by ABBA, along with Under Attack, which were banned by BBC radio during the Gulf Wars.
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