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Post by mstgator on Jan 21, 2007 17:53:29 GMT -5
I think the weirdest in that lot was Allentown -- 6 weeks at #17. Also, Separate Ways -- 6 weeks at #8. Heart to Heart -- 5 weeks at #15. Couple more: "What Kind Of Fool Am I" spent six weeks at #21, and "You Dropped A Bomb On Me" had five weeks at #31.
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Post by bandit73 on Jan 21, 2007 21:12:04 GMT -5
Also, What About Me (Moving Pictures) spent a heck of a long time to get only to #29: 37,37,36,35,34,34,34,32,30,30,29,29 Either "Saved By Zero" or "Big Log" was another one like this. I think one of these actually held at #32 on its way up, and took a very, very long time after that to get up to #20. Now that I think about it, I think it was "Big Log". I know there's a #32 somewhere in the run of "Saved By Zero", but I think it could have been that it debuted in the top 40 at a relatively high position of #32 and only made it to #20. Then again, it's been over 20 years since all of this, so I'm not really sure.
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Post by vto66 on Jan 22, 2007 0:01:02 GMT -5
As I recall, Hall & Oates' 1981-82 hit "I Can't Go For That" spent a number of weeks holding at No. 4 and then suddenly jumped to No. 1. Before that, in the fall of 1981, "Queen of Hearts" by Juice Newton held at No. 6 for three weeks, then moved up to No. 2 and held that spot for three weeks before moving down the chart. Another oddity I can recall during the classic AT40 era is when a song enters the Top 40 in its very first week on the Hot 100, yet never makes it to the Top 10. I can think of at least two offhand: Supertramp's "It's Raining Again" (1983), which debuted on the Hot 100 at No. 31, but never climbed higher than No. 11. There was also Christopher Cross' "All Right", (also 1983), which hit No. 29 in its very first week on the 100, but, oddly, never made it past No. 12 on the pop chart. That very same year, I remember when a song by Rufus featuring Chaka Khan titled "Ain't Nobody" entered the Top 40 way up at No. 29, yet fell short of even hitting the Top 20 (it peaked at No. 22). If anyone out there can think of any other records from the Classic AT40 era (1970s to 1988 or thereabouts), that fall into this category, please feel free to respond to this post.
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Post by coldcardinal on Jan 22, 2007 12:05:51 GMT -5
Also, What About Me (Moving Pictures) spent a heck of a long time to get only to #29: 37,37,36,35,34,34,34,32,30,30,29,29 Either "Saved By Zero" or "Big Log" was another one like this. I think one of these actually held at #32 on its way up, and took a very, very long time after that to get up to #20. Now that I think about it, I think it was "Big Log". I know there's a #32 somewhere in the run of "Saved By Zero", but I think it could have been that it debuted in the top 40 at a relatively high position of #32 and only made it to #20. Then again, it's been over 20 years since all of this, so I'm not really sure. Good memory! Big Log: 34,32,32,29,26,21,20,20,26 Saved by Zero: 30,28,24,22,21,20,25,40 Ahh, I love 1983.
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Post by coldcardinal on Jan 22, 2007 12:34:13 GMT -5
Once in early 1983, there was a week when at least the entire top 10 stayed the same. I finally found it: the top 11 songs were the same on March 26 and April 2. To carry it to its silly extreme, the following positions also held that week: 13,17,18,19,20,29,30,39 It's funny. I own the March 26 show, but had no idea that happened the next week. On a personal-taste note, those top 11 songs may comprise my favorite top 11 ever (along with one or two in the summer of 1984 and summer of 1985): Billy Jean Do You Really Want To Hurt Me Hungry Like the Wolf You Are Back on the Chain Gang We've Got Tonight Mr. Roboto Separate Ways One on One Twilight Zone Come on Eileen
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Post by saintfan on Mar 12, 2007 23:04:13 GMT -5
In response to vto66's question on songs debuting in the HOT 100 within the top 40 and failing to make top 10. besides Christopher Cross, and Supertramp, you can add "Her Town Too" by James Taylor & JD Souther, it debuted on the HOT 100 at #38 on 3/14/81 and reached #11
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Post by saintfan on Mar 12, 2007 23:15:35 GMT -5
After reading all of these interesting posts, I agree with everyone's assesment, the "Why Me" by Kristofferson has got to be the champ though. A lot of my favorites have been mentioned Ohio Players, CJ & Co, Dean Friedman, Seals & Crofts, Paul Davis etc
Here's some other tidbits: Regarding "Old Days" spending it's whole life in the top 17, a couple others that spent there whole life in the top 20 are "I'm Sorry by John Denver, and "Too Much, Too Little, Too Late" by Johnny Mathis/Denice Williams. "Save The Best For Last" by Vanessa Williams did this too, but based on AT 40's non HOT 100 chart. It seems like there's a couple like that I'm forgetting too.
Regarding Seals & Crofts, the funny thing about "Get Closer" moving to #16 to #6 was that Seals & Crofts never had a record go higher than 6, and this one looked like a sure shot it would, but stayed at #6, dropped to #13-#11-#9-#9-#14. The last song to be in the top 10 drop below top 10 and move back was "Philadelphia Freedom" by Elton John Band in 1975, the next one after "Get Closer" wasn't until 1990 when "Epic" by Faith No More did it.
Seals and Crofts not making it higher than they ever got before (#6), but moving from #16-#6 had another similar oddity in 1980 when Pete Townshend moved from #19-#9 with "Let My Love Open The Door", The Who never had a record reach higher than #9 ("I Can See For Miles") and I thought hey Pete's going to go higher than the group ever did.. Wrong he stayed at #9 for a total of three weeks then dropped.
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Post by saintfan on Mar 12, 2007 23:20:04 GMT -5
Regarding songs dropping from the top 10 below the top 40. It seemed to happen in bunches, a bunch of times in 1974, and then whole bunch in 1982, nothing in between,
1974 included Lynyrd Skynyrd, Tony Orlando & Dawn, and Gordon Lightfoot 1982 included Donna Summer (Love Is In Control), Steve Miller Band (Abracadabra), Diana Ross (Muscles), and the champ Air Supply (Even The Nights..)
Sorry if I left some out.
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Post by saintfan on Mar 12, 2007 23:24:29 GMT -5
Regarding Devils Gun by C.J. & Co. Two weeks on AT 40 #38-#36 (July 1977), if the show was American Top 50 it would've pulled an "Ecstasy" by Ohio Players trick, and made the top 50 three times.
It was the #100 song of the year for Billboard (as pointed out in another post), AT 40 used BB's Top 100 of the year in 1974, 1975, 1976, 1978, and 1979 (top 50 of it anyway), but did not use 1977, I was told it was because BB had their first BB #1 award show on TV and wanted to keep info secret or wasn't going to get it to AT 40 on time or something. However I believe that AT 40 didn't want to explain why a song that hit #36 and spent two weeks on AT 40 was at #100 and led off the countdown.
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Post by saintfan on Mar 12, 2007 23:37:49 GMT -5
Here's a list of songs that made AT 40 but weren't played because of mistakes or specials.
1. Lee Michaels-Can I Get A Witness (#39, 1971) 2. El Chicano-Tell Her She's Lovely (#40, 1973) 3. Ann Peebles-I Can't Stand The Rain (#38, 1973) same week as El Chicano 4. Alice Cooper-Clones (#40, 1980) 5. Angelica-Angel Baby (#40, 1991)
With the exception of Cooper, none of these artists ever made the top 40 again, and Cooper took nine years.
Here's two that were played that didn't make it.
1. Jake Holmes-So Close (#39 really #49) (1970) 2. ZZ Top-La Grange (#33 really #41) (1974)
Songs that made AT 40 but Casey never announced (guest host did):
1. Fanny-Charity Ball (1971) 2. Supremes-I'm Gonna Let My Heart Do The Walking (1976) 3. Tuxedo Junction-Chatanooga Choo Choo (1978) 4. Beachboys-Good Timin' (1979) 5. Sugarhill Gang-Rapper's Delight (1980) 6. Stephanie Mills-Two Hearts (1981) 7. Communards-Don't Leave Me This Way (1987) 8. Mick Jagger-Let's Work (1987) 9. The Cure-Just Like Heaven (1988)
Hopefully I didn't leave any out
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Post by saintfan on Mar 12, 2007 23:44:16 GMT -5
regarding the charts staying the same , yes in August 1978 the top 14 stayed the same, oddly on 6/14/80 on the country chart the top 20 stayed the same. and speaking of country, it was mentioned about the Ohio Players making the top 40 three times in the same chart run. in 2005 on the country chart "Texas" by George Strait was the "Ecstasy" of country, it made the ACC top 40 four times in the same chart run.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Mar 13, 2007 5:26:43 GMT -5
saintfan, Regarding your list of songs that "made AT 40 but weren't played because of mistakes or specials," don't forget Angel by Rod Stewart, which peaked in December 1972.
Also regarding your list of "songs that made AT 40 but Casey never announced (guest host did)," here's one that may or may not qualify. Didn't Elvis Presley reach the countdown a few years ago for one week, only for Casey to be off that week?
And it's my guess that AT40 compiled their own Top 100 of 1977 list for production deadline purposes. While I can see where Devil's Gun might offer a peculiar year-end chart appearance, I believe Casey and staff were adamant about following Billboard's list. I'm not sure one song on the list would force them to create and utilize their own. In fact, look at the Top 100 of 1975 and Grand Funk's inaccurately-ranked Top 10 record. Right or wrong, they went by the chart. However, your Billboard #1 Award show mention could've been a factor too.
Overall, saintfan, some great observations!
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Post by BrettVW on Mar 13, 2007 10:20:33 GMT -5
Pete,
Elvis did in fact make the chart back on the weekend of August 10/11, 2002 with "A Little Less Conversation", which was a remix song by "Junkie XL" (according to Wikipedia, couldn't remember exactly). It seems to me the song was credited as "Elvis vs J XL" or something to that extent. Anyway, what I do remember is that it spent that particular weekend at #40 and fell off the next week, and Ed McMann hosted the shows that weekend.
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Post by mstgator on Mar 13, 2007 17:39:19 GMT -5
Just remembered another song that had a peculiar chart life. The week of 10/11/75, Olivia Newton-John's "Something Better To Do" vaulted from #52 to debut on AT40 at #19 (one of a record-setting nine debuts that week, incidentally, along with four more songs that had entered the week before while AT40 aired a special show), but was only able to climb to #13 a few weeks later. That may be the highest debuting song on AT40 to peak outside the Top Ten.
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Post by saintfan on Mar 13, 2007 22:45:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the input. Rod Stewart's "Angel" is an odd case, it was announced by Casey, yet wasn't played as the flipside "Lost Paraguoys" was played instead.
Regarding the Elvis record yeah that would count but I was only listing the original AT 40 since this was in the classic AT 40 thread.
Regarding CJ & Co the deadline would probably tie in to the BILLBOARD award show, it probably went hand in hand. However I still have my suspicions that what a coincidence it was that it just had to happen in 1977.
AT 40 wasn't always loyal to BB in its yearenders though 1970, 1971, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989 were BB, 1972. 1973, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985 their own. So in Casey's run (1970-1987) 9 years were BB, 9 were AT 40's
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