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[at40petebattistini]

Jun 29, 2018 0:22:52 GMT -5 OnWithTheCountdown said:

That's really interesting. The part of the segment with "Yesterday Once More" in the 6/23/1973 show I have, checks in at 4:27. The song itself plays to around 3:57. And, yes, it includes the verse beginning with "Looking back on how it was..." The shows I have, to my knowledge, are the original shows, the way they aired back in the day, no added edits. Shannon himself appeared on these boards a few weeks back and said that what he does is true to how the shows were initially, meaning no edits outside of the original Watermark edits. If only I could find that thread...the mobile version of the boards make that really challenging. The desktop version is much easier to navigate such things.

If you and I got our shows from the same source, how is yours so drastically different? Very interesting.

One thing we do agree on is "Wildflower" - it was definitely edited in my copy of the show, with that track coming in at 2:16.

Re: "Money" - I'll have to listen to the shows I have to see what's there.

Anyone here who has the original show - feel free to share your findings. I'd be interested in knowing. There's already been confirmation that the XM broadcast had the full song, which my copy does as well. (I also don't know if the XM broadcasts include any additional song edits outside of the original Watermark edits, like the Premiere-aired shows do in the 70s and 80s series.)

I have the original vinyl and will check on this. But for now, according to the original cue sheets, the entire segment containing "Yesterday Once More" (and New York City's "I'm Doing Fine Now") times out at 5:40. But I've also discovered that the original cue sheets aren't always 100% accurate.

[OnWithTheCountdown]

My entire segment is 7:17 - New York City's "I'm Doing Fine Now" is 2:51, and the Carpenters' "Yesterday Once More" is 4:27. (Casey talked for the first 22 seconds of their part of the segment.) Many of the shows I have are split by song. If mine was indeed edited, it's seamless.

Will be very interested in your findings, at40petebattistini.

[at40petebattistini]

Jun 29, 2018 9:34:12 GMT -5 OnWithTheCountdown said:

My entire segment is 7:17 - New York City's "I'm Doing Fine Now" is 2:51, and the Carpenters' "Yesterday Once More" is 4:27. (Casey talked for the first 22 seconds of their part of the segment.) Many of the shows I have are split by song. If mine was indeed edited, it's seamless.

Will be very interested in your findings, at40petebattistini.

The vinyl copy of the June 23, 1973 program definitely has an edited version of "Yesterday Once More" by the Carpenters. My times are estimated but on AT40 LP, the line "all the oldies but goodies" comes in around the one minute mark (from the start of the song). But on the full version, I believe that same line is heard close to 2:30.

I hope that's helpful.

[OnWithTheCountdown]

Jun 29, 2018 13:12:28 GMT -5 at40petebattistini said:

Jun 29, 2018 9:34:12 GMT -5 OnWithTheCountdown said:

My entire segment is 7:17 - New York City's "I'm Doing Fine Now" is 2:51, and the Carpenters' "Yesterday Once More" is 4:27. (Casey talked for the first 22 seconds of their part of the segment.) Many of the shows I have are split by song. If mine was indeed edited, it's seamless.

Will be very interested in your findings, at40petebattistini.

The vinyl copy of the June 23, 1973 program definitely has an edited version of "Yesterday Once More" by the Carpenters. My times are estimated but on AT40 LP, the line "all the oldies but goodies" comes in around the one minute mark (from the start of the song). But on the full version, I believe that same line is heard close to 2:30.

I hope that's helpful.

Thanks for your report, Pete.

Indeed, I have an edited version; it appears that same version aired on XM. I wasn't aware I had any outright edited versions like that; although in a couple of summer 1984 shows, I can tell "Eyes Without A Face" was edited (and that was an easy target, as it's well-documented on these boards). I believe that was more to replace the audio (maybe the audio source was a little messed up) than to replace it with an entirely different version than what originally aired.

Thanks again!

[mkarns]

Jun 29, 2018 4:32:59 GMT -5 at40petebattistini said:

Jun 29, 2018 0:22:52 GMT -5 OnWithTheCountdown said:

That's really interesting. The part of the segment with "Yesterday Once More" in the 6/23/1973 show I have, checks in at 4:27. The song itself plays to around 3:57. And, yes, it includes the verse beginning with "Looking back on how it was..." The shows I have, to my knowledge, are the original shows, the way they aired back in the day, no added edits. Shannon himself appeared on these boards a few weeks back and said that what he does is true to how the shows were initially, meaning no edits outside of the original Watermark edits. If only I could find that thread...the mobile version of the boards make that really challenging. The desktop version is much easier to navigate such things.

If you and I got our shows from the same source, how is yours so drastically different? Very interesting.

One thing we do agree on is "Wildflower" - it was definitely edited in my copy of the show, with that track coming in at 2:16.

Re: "Money" - I'll have to listen to the shows I have to see what's there.

Anyone here who has the original show - feel free to share your findings. I'd be interested in knowing. There's already been confirmation that the XM broadcast had the full song, which my copy does as well. (I also don't know if the XM broadcasts include any additional song edits outside of the original Watermark edits, like the Premiere-aired shows do in the 70s and 80s series.)

I have the original vinyl and will check on this. But for now, according to the original cue sheets, the entire segment containing "Yesterday Once More" (and New York City's "I'm Doing Fine Now") times out at 5:40. But I've also discovered that the original cue sheets aren't always 100% accurate.

One apparent inaccuracy in the original cue sheets is the 10/22/77 show when one segment consisting of "Just Remember I Love You" and "Baby, What a Big Surprise" is said to be only 3:56, which with two songs and Casey's intros would be some pretty severe editing even for the later 3 hour period. But I've heard that show from both Premiere and Sirius XM and neither song is nearly that short.

As for 6/23/73, if "Yesterday Once More" is edited down to only two minutes and something in the original airing then SXM must have aired a version with the full song edited in, by them or someone else. Which raises the question of why the complete "Wildflower" wasn't included, or why their other AT40 broadcasts usually include the shortened versions of songs if they were originally presented that way.

[cachiva]

I received the shows formatted so that each song it it's own
file. I join them to transfer them to my iPad for listening,
and the flow is seamless. "I'm Doing Fine Now" comes in at
2:51, just as you say, OnWithThe Countdown. And Casey talks
for the first 22 seconds of the "Yesterday Once More" part,
too. I appreciate all the comments, and, the confirmation
fromat40petebattistini.

I was going to upload the segment to YouTube for you, so
that you wouldn't think I was crazy! But I have become
skilled enough with Audacity that I could make any edit I
choose and I don't think you'd be able to tell.

Would anyone care to upload/file share the show/segment?
I would love to hear it! Thank you all again!

[cachiva]

Now I'm obsessed! lol The Carpenters song debuted the week before, on
June 16, and they played the edited version! And 2 weeks later, June 30,
they played the unedited version. I uploaded both to Audacity, and side
by side they look like this:



That's June 23 on top, and June 30 underneath.

It's easy to narrow down and find where the edit is. The first time
they get to "Every Sha-la-la-laaaa, every whoa-oh-oh-ohhh" it's only
Karen and Richard singing. The next time they get to that part, there
are more singers (or doubled voices of Karen and Richard.) In the
edited version, they skip Karen and Richard alone, and jump ahead to
the "more voices" part. To my ears, the word "Every" is the same, and
the edit is at "Sha-la-la-laaaa." It's at the 1:11 mark of the June
23 show.

[at40petebattistini]

Jun 29, 2018 16:54:45 GMT -5 cachiva said:

Now I'm obsessed! lol The Carpenters song debuted the week before, on
June 16, and they played the edited version! And 2 weeks later, June 30, they played the unedited version...

And another note about the June 30, 1973 program... Casey also played the 6 1/2 minute version of "I'll Always Love My Mama" by the Intruders as it debuted in the Top 40. But that was the only time the full version was played.

[djjoe1960]

Jun 28, 2018 23:07:50 GMT -5 cachiva said:

Just checked again. "Yesterday Once More" from the June 23, 1973 AT40
show is missing the "Looking back on how it was..." verse, and the
whole song comes in at about 2:10. I got the complete set of shows on
a portable hard drive from Shannon himself about 3 months ago. Weird.

And I checked on "Wildflower." Yep, about 2:10.

I did not hear the SiriusXM broadcast of the show this past weekend.

I went to billboard.com to check the June 23, 1973 chart, and it
matches the show that I'm referring to.

I don't have an answer. I'd thought Shannon's files were the most
accurate available.


Also of note:

Pink Floyd's "Money" debut that week. On my file, they played the
version where the second half of the "bull____" word is deleted.

Then, on the June 30 show, that whole verse is edited out!

No show on July 7, but on the 14th the played the "bull___"
version again. And again, and again until the Aug 4, which
featured the version with the entire verse edited out.

And so on throught the chart run. But I thought I'd read that
once they played the offending "BS" epithet, unedited. Is
that true, or just an urban myth?

By the way, I recall hearing Money on my XM satellite radio and I heard Bullship clear as day. I wonder if they edited that back into the show when it ran on XM or did Watermark just miss that on that particular show .

[mkarns]

June 29, 1974 this week.

[cachiva]

I asked Shannon, and he was quite sure that Ken Martin would
have been the one to edit "Yesterday Once More" back in 1973.
He also shared his disdain for "rewriting history," if someone
had indeed gone back and inserted a non-edited version of the
song, and I agree with him on that.



Also, despite what you may have heard, Shannon is not gone,
and he has not drifted out to sea.

[djjoe1960]

Ahh, the 'fake' Top 40 on SiriusXM. I love the way that Casey doesn't let on that the AT40 staff 'estimated' the chart until the end of the show.

[mkarns]

Jun 30, 2018 11:37:31 GMT -5 cachiva said:

I asked Shannon, and he was quite sure that Ken Martin would
have been the one to edit "Yesterday Once More" back in 1973.
He also shared his disdain for "rewriting history," if someone
had indeed gone back and inserted a non-edited version of the
song, and I agree with him on that.



Also, despite what you may have heard, Shannon is not gone,
and he has not drifted out to sea.

That's good to know. I was thinking of making a dedication to him. Whoever played it hopefully wouldn't do so after an uptempo g**d*** record.

And last week wasn't the only time when SXM apparently inserted a different version of an AT40 countdown song. A few years ago there was an early 1977 countdown when SXM edited in the full seven minute version of Manfred Mann's Earth Band's "Blinded By the Light", which was never played on the actual countdowns of the time due to time constraints.

[skuncle]

If I were to bet money I would say that Ken Martin added the full version back in. I have the 2012 Premiere version of the countdown and it's the full version of the Carpenters song.

[caseyfan100]

Jun 30, 2018 11:44:10 GMT -5 djjoe1960 said:

Ahh, the 'fake' Top 40 on SiriusXM. I love the way that Casey doesn't let on that the AT40 staff 'estimated' the chart until the end of the show.

If you listen to the show,there is no mention of Billboard magazine until the credits at the end because they couldn't say it was the Billboard list because it wasn't.