|
|
Post by mkarns on Oct 28, 2017 11:04:33 GMT -5
October 25, 1975 this week.
|
|
|
|
Post by johnnywest on Oct 28, 2017 11:55:59 GMT -5
^That is correct countdown. Now as far as songs holding at the same position. Four is by no means an unusual amount in the top 40. In fact on 4/2/83, fully half of the top 40...yes 20 songs were holding at their position. Has there ever been a week when no songs were holding steady? |
|
|
|
Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Oct 28, 2017 12:16:14 GMT -5
While I can't think of one, the same month and year dukelightning mentioned also features a chart with only one song holding its previous week's position, that chart being 4/30/1983. Bob Seger's "Even Now" held at #13. This is the chart that in my mind, started the clearing of the logjam that accumulated from several months earlier. |
|
|
|
Post by doofus67 on Oct 28, 2017 17:11:59 GMT -5
While I can't think of one, the same month and year dukelightning mentioned also features a chart with only one song holding its previous week's position, that chart being 4/30/1983. Bob Seger's "Even Now" held at #13. This is the chart that in my mind, started the clearing of the logjam that accumulated from several months earlier. Yes, that 4/30/83 chart has been a hot topic on this forum, and deservedly so. It brought the shenanigans of Bill Wardlow to light. Wardlow was the longtime chart director of Billboard whose tenure was, to me, tainted by a lot of questionable chart action. (Stop me if you've read this before.) This was the week that he was finally told, "Don't let the door hit you on your way out." The impact on the chart was immediate. The evidence is not just in the lack of holding songs as you mentioned, but also in all the songs that made big jumps. Just to name a few that come to mind, "Straight from the Heart" moved 34 to 21, "Flashdance" went 33 to 23, and "Rio" went 31 to 17. Throughout the early 80s to this point, the Hot 100 always seemed to run a week or two behind what was really going on. In retrospect, Cash Box looks like the more accurate list. Billboard seemed to be saying, "Enough! Let's clean this thing up and get it up to date and up to standard." |
|
|
|
Post by djjoe1960 on Oct 28, 2017 20:06:15 GMT -5
While I can't think of one, the same month and year dukelightning mentioned also features a chart with only one song holding its previous week's position, that chart being 4/30/1983. Bob Seger's "Even Now" held at #13. This is the chart that in my mind, started the clearing of the logjam that accumulated from several months earlier. Yes, that 4/30/83 chart has been a hot topic on this forum, and deservedly so. It brought the shenanigans of Bill Wardlow to light. Wardlow was the longtime chart director of Billboard whose tenure was, to me, tainted by a lot of questionable chart action. (Stop me if you've read this before.) This was the week that he was finally told, "Don't let the door hit you on your way out." The impact on the chart was immediate. The evidence is not just in the lack of holding songs as you mentioned, but also in all the songs that made big jumps. Just to name a few that come to mind, "Straight from the Heart" moved 34 to 21, "Flashdance" went 33 to 23, and "Rio" went 31 to 17. Throughout the early 80s to this point, the Hot 100 always seemed to run a week or two behind what was really going on. In retrospect, Cash Box looks like the more accurate list. Billboard seemed to be saying, "Enough! Let's clean this thing up and get it up to date and up to standard." I have to respectfully disagree that Cash Box was the more accurate chart in the early 1980's. Cash Box was in the habit of taking two weeks off during the Christmas/New Year's time frame beginning with the 1981 holiday season. Billboard only took one week off during this time frame. In addition, a few of their #1's during 1980-1984 are questionable: The Rose-Bette Midler (made it to #3 in Billboard--and kept Coming Up by Paul & Wings from making it to #1) Take Your Time-S.O.S. Band (paked at #3 in Billboard) Master Blaster--Steve Wonder (only made it to #5 in Billboard) Woman-John Lennon (peaked at #2 in Billboard/maybe this was to make up for Imagine in 1971) Being With You-Smokey Robinson (which made it to #2 in Billboard) Elvira-The Oak Ridge Boys (peaked at #5 in Billboard) Theme from 'Greatest American Hero'-Joey Scarburry (#2 peak in Billboard) Open Arms-Journey (#2 in Billboard--maybe this song did deserve to be #1) That Girl-Stevie Wonder (#5 in Billboard--maybe Stevie's payola to CB was working--he had the most #1's in CB over the years) Hurts So Good-John (Cougar) Mellancamp (#2 peak in Billboard) Gloria-Laura Branigan (#2 in Billboard) Do You Really Want To Hurt Me-Culture Club (#2 in Billboard--oh come on now is this really a #1 song) Mr. Roboto-Styx (#3 in Billboard--seems like another pay off) Puttin' On The Ritz-Taco (#4 in Billboard--did this weird quirky song deserve to be a chart topper) The Safety Dance-Men Without Hats (made it to #3 in Billboard--another unusual song to reach #1) Union Of The Snake--Duran Duran (#3 in Billboard--this song booted Say Say say out of the top spot on CB) 99 Luftballoons--Nena (#2 in Billboard--maybe this song deserved the top spot) Girls Just Want To Have Fun-Cyndi Lauper (made it to #2 in Billboard--good grief) Dancing In The Dark-Bruce Springsteen (#2 in Billboard--maybe one of the few CB chart Toppers I agree with during this time frame) Purple Rain-Prince (#2 in Billboard--maybe after the other two singles made #1 from Purple Rain, CB felt obligated to put that song at #1 too) I Feel For You-Chaka Khan (#3 in Billboard--kept Out Of Touch by Hall & Oates out of the top spot) The Wild Boys-Duran Duran (reached #2 in Billboard--this is their second questionable #1 in CB, IMO) While I think no chart is perfect (BB, CB or R & R)--I do lean more towards Billboard's chart toppers during that period; as I was working in radio at the time. Joe |
|
|
|
Post by doofus67 on Oct 30, 2017 13:04:40 GMT -5
djjoe, you have experience in the biz, so I respect your opinion as far as whether or not certain songs deserved to be #1.
But my idea of accuracy comes from studying the week-to-week movement of songs and, in Billboard's case, how that was affected by Bill Wardlow's star and holding pattern rules. I've made my own chart lists with BB, CB, and R&R numbers written side by side for each song. Partly because the other charts weren't bound by the same rules, the discrepancies sometimes are alarming.
Even in the early 80s when all this was happening and I had just started keeping track of BB, I was hard pressed to believe that to have a song hold at a peak position for a month then drop dramatically was at least unrealistic. Again, this has all been thoroughly hashed out on the forum over the years.
|
|
|
|
Post by mkarns on Nov 4, 2017 11:02:06 GMT -5
October 30, 1971 this week. The first 1971 SXM show in four months.
|
|
|
|
Post by doofus67 on Nov 4, 2017 11:03:06 GMT -5
Where did the Theme from Shaft and Imagine go the week after their spectacular debuts? This and other questions will be answered...
|
|
|
|
Post by johnnywest on Nov 10, 2017 13:33:48 GMT -5
While I can't think of one, the same month and year dukelightning mentioned also features a chart with only one song holding its previous week's position, that chart being 4/30/1983. Bob Seger's "Even Now" held at #13. This is the chart that in my mind, started the clearing of the logjam that accumulated from several months earlier. I found another one with just one song holding. On Casey's Top 40 for Dec. 12-13, 1992, only the #1 song, "I Will Always Love You," stayed in place. |
|
|
|
Post by mkarns on Nov 11, 2017 12:01:26 GMT -5
This week: November 11, 1978.
|
|
|
|
Post by doofus67 on Nov 11, 2017 20:21:49 GMT -5
This week: November 11, 1978. Thank you, SiriusXM. My favorite year in music! |
|
|
|
Post by cachiva on Nov 17, 2017 1:07:00 GMT -5
Mastered from a scratchy, crackly set of original vinyl...
...or, Casey was eating his Rice Krispies with an open mike while taping!
|
|
|
|
Post by mkarns on Nov 18, 2017 12:02:37 GMT -5
Now playing: November 17, 1973.
|
|
|
|
Post by mkarns on Nov 25, 2017 12:01:23 GMT -5
November 23, 1974 this week.
|
|
|
|
Post by doofus67 on Nov 27, 2017 1:20:58 GMT -5
November 23, 1974 this week. Inconsistency! No commentary or analysis here. None possible? -- "Carefree Highway." In Cash Box, it fell 13 to 28. In Record World, it inched up 20 to 19. In R&R, it was gone. In Billboard, it plummeted 10 to 42. -- "Whatever Gets You Thru the Night." In Cash Box, it dropped 1 to 7. In Record World, it slipped 1 to 2. In R&R, it dropped 6 to 10. On AT40, it plummeted 1 to 12. -- "You Haven't Done Nothin'." In Cash Box, it was off the chart entirely. In Record World, it dropped 3 to 11. In R&R, it was gone. In Billboard, it fell 28 to 45. -- "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet." In Cash Box, it moved up 2 to 1. In Record World, it slipped 4 to 6. In R&R, it slipped from 1 to 2. On AT40, it dropped 12 to 34. |
|
