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Post by mkarns on May 26, 2013 9:45:23 GMT -5
". . . Honestly I don't understand why they edit anything out. . ." Many of us have posed that exact question to the various PDs at Sirius (originals and replacements) over the past few years, and the typical response [justification] is: "The majority of their listeners DO NOT want to hear anything but the music, even on the AT40 shows . . . and hearing Casey's banter only detracts from their listening experience. Since there are ONLY A FEW 'purists' who want to hear the shows unedited and who care about the non-musical content, we edit all of it out of the shows." Of course that logic was / is not applied to the many annoying DJs that Sirius brought to the decades channels. I guess the PDs did not care that most listeners don't want to listen to inane DJ blather when they tune in to hear their favorite music. That is idiotic. If they're so convinced that we just want to hear the music, then why don't they expand the playlist and play more of the HUGE number of hits that are unheard on the channel except for AT40? And if they think DJ talk somehow detracts from the listening experience, then how about less talk and more music during other hours? At least Casey's stories have something to do with the songs and artists.
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Post by papathree on May 26, 2013 10:33:59 GMT -5
That is idiotic. If they're so convinced that we just want to hear the music, then why don't they expand the playlist and play more of the HUGE number of hits that are unheard on the channel except for AT40? And if they think DJ talk somehow detracts from the listening experience, then how about less talk and more music during other hours? At least Casey's stories have something to do with the songs and artists. Amen, brother!! If only SXM management thought that way!!
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Post by skuncle on May 26, 2013 13:46:52 GMT -5
". . . Honestly I don't understand why they edit anything out. . ." Many of us have posed that exact question to the various PDs at Sirius (originals and replacements) over the past few years, and the typical response [justification] is: "The majority of their listeners DO NOT want to hear anything but the music, even on the AT40 shows . . . and hearing Casey's banter only detracts from their listening experience. Since there are ONLY A FEW 'purists' who want to hear the shows unedited and who care about the non-musical content, we edit all of it out of the shows." Of course that logic was / is not applied to the many annoying DJs that Sirius brought to the decades channels. I guess the PDs did not care that most listeners don't want to listen to inane DJ blather when they tune in to hear their favorite music. If that's the case then what's the point of airing the AT40 shows at all? Just do a three hour block of hits from any given year. That's so stupid!
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Post by mellongraig on May 27, 2013 19:59:50 GMT -5
If it's 6/2/79, will they play all of the songs or will they edit certain songs out? Even though 1979 is a great year, I wished SXM would listen to our subscribers and play all the songs on AT40.
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Post by matt on May 27, 2013 23:53:28 GMT -5
Dudes, this is my theory (of which I have sounded off before) regarding SXM's edits: SXM began editing the shows, possibly at the request of Premiere, in order to stop/avoid playing shows that are completely unedited. Sounds obvious, but the reason why--at some point it was decided that people were recording shows, and thus were able to obtain a perfect copy of the original shows by recording off of SXM.
If you think about it, it has to take a decent amount of time and effort to edit these shows to the degree that SXM does, and it waters down them down and provides a lesser product. So why do it? I get what the monkeys at SXM are saying, but it doesn't totally make sense. If you wanted the shows to flow faster, why play AT40 at all instead of just spinning the top 40 from a week in the 70s with no DJ's at all? And those of us that listen to 70s music and the old AT40s don't have a problem with a "slower" presentation with more DJ talk--it's not like they are targeting teens and 20-somethings like the current top 40/pop stations do.
I believe they edit the shows to avoid people recording and ending up with perfect shows. One could argue the same thing about why Premiere edits down songs (although they clearly do that to shave off a few minutes of the show's total runtime).
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Post by mellongraig on May 29, 2013 7:37:05 GMT -5
You may want to listen to Bobbymagicradio today - they are playing Sirius XM's AT40 year this weekend - 1979 Top 40. Except how many songs get played on a regular basis on SXM?
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Post by cachiva on Jun 1, 2013 1:40:11 GMT -5
Hi Wahoo! I like your theory. It is well-written, and I had not seen it before, or even considered it.
It makes me want to ask, however, "Why do they care if people are recording the shows?" What are they trying to stop? Our enjoyment? Selling them on the black market? What is the point of them not wanting people to have perfect recordings of the shows?
I am very lucky to have 4 complete shows, through the courtesy of AT 40 Proboards friend Shannon. They are the 4 shows from the month of May, 1979. Every song has an intro and an outro. There are the Top 3 recaps songs, the #1 songs of the 70's songs, the LDD's, the extras, and the wacky features, like Casey's story about how Gary US Bonds became a singer, or the medical malady known as "Slipped Disco"! They are the gold standard of how these shows exist, right down to the Beatlesque closing chord from "Shuckatoom". Having enjoyed these wonderful presentations of the original shows, I really don't care as much for what Sirius XM presents each week. I believe that purists like us would reject their shows, even if one minute was truncated. That would be enough to render them as imperfect, and not desirable.
Comparing the May 12, 1979 show that Sirius XM played last year, to what I received from Shannon is like night and day! For instance, once you hear the full shows, you realize that the #1 songs cap each hour of the show. It suddenly makes sense! Casey actually asks the trivia question before a break, and then comes back to answer it a few minutes later.
But the May 12, 1979 show that Sirius XM played last year kept the Top 3 recap, the #1 songs of the 70's and both LDD's. They kept the 6+ minute version of Sylvester's "I Who Have Nothing", including the gay-friendly story about how he dressed like a woman for his high school yearbook photo! (They did cut most outros, the Gary US Bonds story, and the story of how Disco Saved New York.) But I have noticed that they are trimming the shows even more nowadays, and I am very curious to see what they will do later today with the June 1, 1979 show. I fear they will zip through it very quickly, taking out all of the goodies, and killing the spirit of the show. Why do the copyright owners of the show allow them to do this to their product?
Thank you for letting me post my questions and comments. I have yet to figure out what "Premiere" is, and why Sirius XM would be afraid of them, or feel they need to respond to them. But I have not yet read every thread here, and hope to discover just who or what they are.
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Post by donwa001 on Jun 1, 2013 13:43:51 GMT -5
Seeing the big leap that "Boogie Wonderland" took in today's show (#34 - #21), I'm surprised the song didn't peak in the Top 3 or at least Top 5. It peaked at #6. I like the song better than their #1 song "Shining Star"
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Post by mkarns on Jun 1, 2013 14:24:32 GMT -5
If it's 6/2/79, will they play all of the songs or will they edit certain songs out? Even though 1979 is a great year, I wished SXM would listen to our subscribers and play all the songs on AT40. They played 6/2/79, and included all but one song (three of them twice, with Casey's opening recap.) The one cut was James Brown's extra "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag", presumably since it's from 1965. However, there was a much more egregious omission in last week's 5/28/77 broadcast, at least the version I recorded: Bill Conti's version of the "Rocky" theme, at #6, was missing; moreover, it came right after Casey noting this was the first time in three years that two versions of the same song were on the countdown at once (Maynard Ferguson also charted with it.)
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Post by pgfromwp on Jun 1, 2013 14:34:36 GMT -5
However, there was a much more egregious omission in last week's 5/28/77 broadcast, at least the version I recorded: Bill Conti's version of the "Rocky" theme, at #6, was missing; moreover, it came right after Casey noting this was the first time in three years that two versions of the same song were on the countdown at once (Maynard Ferguson also charted with it.) Was "The Americans" the other such song cited by Casey?
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Post by mkarns on Jun 1, 2013 15:01:01 GMT -5
However, there was a much more egregious omission in last week's 5/28/77 broadcast, at least the version I recorded: Bill Conti's version of the "Rocky" theme, at #6, was missing; moreover, it came right after Casey noting this was the first time in three years that two versions of the same song were on the countdown at once (Maynard Ferguson also charted with it.) Was "The Americans" the other such song cited by Casey? Yes, in the Byron MacGregor and Gordon Sinclair versions. (I actually should have said "record", since that's a spoken word piece, not a song.)
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Post by skuncle on Jun 1, 2013 16:52:50 GMT -5
If it's 6/2/79, will they play all of the songs or will they edit certain songs out? Even though 1979 is a great year, I wished SXM would listen to our subscribers and play all the songs on AT40. They played 6/2/79, and included all but one song (three of them twice, with Casey's opening recap.) The one cut was James Brown's extra "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag", presumably since it's from 1965. However, there was a much more egregious omission in last week's 5/28/77 broadcast, at least the version I recorded: Bill Conti's version of the "Rocky" theme, at #6, was missing; moreover, it came right after Casey noting this was the first time in three years that two versions of the same song were on the countdown at once (Maynard Ferguson also charted with it.) When did you record it? I recorded it on Sunday morning and the Rocky theme at #6 was there.
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Post by mellongraig on Jun 2, 2013 13:27:36 GMT -5
It's too bad that 1972 has mostly been ignored including #1 hits of that year... why can't they play the hits besides AT40's countdown on SXM? And I just got word on another forum that SXM only plays 6-8 songs on a regular basis from the 1972 (6/3) countdown. What an embarrassment.
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Post by mkarns on Jun 2, 2013 13:51:29 GMT -5
They played 6/2/79, and included all but one song (three of them twice, with Casey's opening recap.) The one cut was James Brown's extra "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag", presumably since it's from 1965. However, there was a much more egregious omission in last week's 5/28/77 broadcast, at least the version I recorded: Bill Conti's version of the "Rocky" theme, at #6, was missing; moreover, it came right after Casey noting this was the first time in three years that two versions of the same song were on the countdown at once (Maynard Ferguson also charted with it.) When did you record it? I recorded it on Sunday morning and the Rocky theme at #6 was there. Starting at 12 AM Monday, May 27. Something at SXM may have erred, but it skipped right from Casey's story about the "Rocky" songs to "Got to Give It Up". At least I did get a full length recording of the "Shuckatoom" theme (listed as "Casey's Theme-Shuckatoom" with James R. (Jim) Kirk getting an artist's credit.)
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Post by matt on Jun 4, 2013 14:07:36 GMT -5
OK, so what's everyone think? This weekend's dates are June 8th and 9th - does SXM air 6/3/72 or 6/10/72? I am hoping for 6/10, but 6/3 might fit their typical selection process better. And it was aired by Premiere two years ago, which means it has almost certainly been remastered...
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