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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2006 10:15:51 GMT -5
Where did you live that you could hear it? Were you in Palatka then? I can't imagine the signal carried to Clearwater from there!
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Post by Hervard on Oct 22, 2006 22:15:02 GMT -5
Casey's Top 40 aired on WBBM-FM in Chicago from its debut in late January, 1989 to July 3, 1993, when the show no longer fit their format (actually, they'd been rhythmic CHR since the early 90s, so I'm surprised they didn't drop it before then). It was also heard on WZZP in South Bend, Indiana from January, 1989 through September, 1991, when the station flipped to an oldies station, dropping the show in the process.
After WBBM dropped the show, I casually happened upon the show on WBUS in Joliet. I have no idea when they picked up on it, but in September, 1996, they switched formats as well, from CHR/Pop to Spanish. Casey's Top 40 was never heard in my listening area again.
As for the other Casey Kasem WW1 shows, well, they appeared on the same station. WTMX in Chicago, which had run Countdown America with Dick Clark for years, dropped that show in December, 1993 and three months later, they started running Casey's Countdown. Over the next few years, the station slowly evolved towards Hot AC and about a year after they picked up on Casey's Countdown, they switched to Casey's Hot 20, which they didn't even run for a year. They dropped the show the last week of 1995, but they still got the show and ran the commercial breaks, which I thought was sofa king stupid! I boycotted the station for quite awhile after that, but eventually started listening to it (in fact, I was listening to it earlier tonight!)
Anyway, that's the story about Casey Kasem's Westwood One shows in my listening area.
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Oct 23, 2006 9:51:42 GMT -5
The down side for WAJI -- listeners were still connecting Casey and WMEE, and writing that down in their ratings diaries. Bad news if they just wrote the station name. Good news though if they wrote Casey's name or some form of it (or if WMEE wasn't carrying AT40 at the same time and the person wrote something like "Top 40 Countdown"), then Arbitron would have credited it to WAJI. |
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Oct 23, 2006 9:54:28 GMT -5
They dropped the show the last week of 1995, but they still got the show and ran the commercial breaks, which I thought was sofa king stupid! Another wonderful page from our "Book of Stupid Things Radio Stations Do To Syndicated Shows" ... this is yet another example of "we're still contracted to run a show that we don't want to run anymore, so we're making the network happy by clearing the spots, which is what really matters [sadly] in the end." |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 14:28:19 GMT -5
What? How and why would you run commercial breaks like you had the show if you dont have it anymore?!
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Post by Hervard on Oct 23, 2006 16:17:21 GMT -5
What? How and why would you run commercial breaks like you had the show if you dont have it anymore?! They still had the show, but for some reason (a moronic one, I'm sure!), they didn't run the show itself, but ran the commercial breaks. |
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Post by mstgator on Oct 23, 2006 16:32:28 GMT -5
Where did you live that you could hear it? Were you in Palatka then? I can't imagine the signal carried to Clearwater from there! I lived in the Gainesville/Ocala area from 1987 to 1994 (aside from one year in Atlanta), so I got to hear the many formats of 99.9 (from Top 40 I-100 to a shortlived Rock 40 format to Rhythmic and finally Hot AC-leaning before I moved to Tampa Bay). |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 18:34:44 GMT -5
The Hot AC leaning format was awful on there. I remember the only show they had was Backtrax USA and they ran the 2 hour show over the course of like 3 to 4 hours on Sunday morning.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 18:36:04 GMT -5
What? How and why would you run commercial breaks like you had the show if you dont have it anymore?! They still had the show, but for some reason (a moronic one, I'm sure!), they didn't run the show itself, but ran the commercial breaks. Thats what I dont understand, do you mean they ran the commercials insluding the network ones like the show was on complete with the jingle to go to local spots or what? I really dont quite graps this concept unless I am reading too much into it. |
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Oct 24, 2006 8:37:18 GMT -5
The simple goal of radio is, as you know, to make money. That's done by selling spots. (Obviously they need compelling programming of some sort to wrap around the spots to generate ratings and thus higher ad rates.)
Network shows are cleared on a bartered basis...ie, station WXYZ plays the network spots in exchange for the network providing the show and local spot inserts that the station can sell for itself...thus giving the network the ability to get their spots on as many stations as possible (thus higher audience numbers, thus higher network ad rates) and the local station the ability to use the national talent to generate local ratings and thus local spot revenue by making use of those local avails in the network show.
When the station signs up for the network show, they sign a contract with the network. Sometimes it's an open-ended contract with no timeframe, and sometimes there is a timeframe attached to it (say one year). There's usually a "90-day out" clause to the contract where either the station or the network can pull the plug with 90 days notice. The latter generally only happens when the network is either folding the show or want to move it to an O&O elsewhere in the market. The former often results in the network saying "OK, you can drop the show immediately, but you must clear the spots for the next 90 days."
Thus, the station that has been described in this thread, probably exercised their 90-day warning that they wanted rid of the show, and WW1 probably gave them the "out" of not actually running the show but rather just the spots.
What surprises me is that a listener would be able to tell...UNLESS they were including the Casey/WW1 end of network spots jingle when they ran the network spot breaks.
Hope this clears things up.
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Post by Hervard on Oct 24, 2006 10:54:20 GMT -5
If the jingle you speak of is the "Casey's Hot 20" jingle (the horns), then yes, they did include that jingle. Not only that, but occasionally, the tease for the next segment would sometimes be run. I'm pretty sure this was inadvertent, but it goes to show that it was probably more of a hassle to run just the commercial breaks, so they might just as well have run the whole show, since they had it, rather than tantalize the listeners, especially the ones who liked listening to the countdown, with Casey's voice and the jingles, making it obvious as to what they were doing.
Nevertheless, I imagine this practice continued until March, which is when they started running Casey's Hot 20 the year before. But I have no idea since, as stated above, I didn't listen to the station again for several years.
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Post by MEF on Oct 24, 2006 19:21:44 GMT -5
WNIC did this practice in the summer of 2004. They aired the national commericals from AT10, but not the AT10 show itself.
Getting back to the topic, the Toledo stations only aired Casey's Top 40. They never aired Casey's Hot 20 or Casey's Countdown. From 1/89 to 10/91, it aired on WRGN 93.5. However in 10/91 WRGN changed from CHR to an Oldies format. Thus, CT40 was dropped. WVKS 92.5 in Toledo picked up CT40 in 1992 and aired CT40 Saturday from 6 am to 10 am. In late 1993 or early 1994 CT40 moved to Sunday mornings from 9 am to 1 pm. The timeslot remain until Casey returned to AT40 with AM/FM in 3/98.
What was more interesting, WVKS kept the Casey announcements "You're listening to Casey's Top 40 on 92.5 KISS FM" during the entire AT40 run from 3/98 to 1/04.
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Post by bandit73 on Oct 24, 2006 21:50:30 GMT -5
What surprises me is that a listener would be able to tell... If it was the old '80s version of AT40, I'd be able to tell. AT40 used to include ads for certain products that the local affiliate otherwise didn't have many ads for. Examples: Bubble Yum, Certs, Halls, U.S. Army. I think Rob Durkee's book said ABC paired AT40 with numerous short-form shows that affiliates had to run. And if they didn't run these short-form shows, they still had to run the ads. As far as I know, our local affiliate didn't run the short-form shows. On Sundays, however, this station did air the type of ads that AT40 had - even after AT40 was over. I remember thinking that these ads sounded like they belonged with AT40. |
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Post by Radioman on Oct 30, 2006 5:50:29 GMT -5
Only trouble with that Nenad, is the fact that (at least on some of the CD copies I have from VOA) they used to edit the show. You never heard Casey's into break teases and they often cut out some or all of the Request and Dedication letters. What you mean Scott are probably the broadcasts from BLUE DANUBE RADIO, wich is not identical to VoA-Europe. VoA did very slight edits of the show, many times full complete broadcasts including the dedications and all jingles. My preference of listening would be more for a slightly edited programme, than for about 4 hours with all the same chewing gum or akne commercials along. It's boring ! |
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Post by Radioman on Oct 30, 2006 6:10:19 GMT -5
Overhere in Europe we have to thank Austrain (international station) "Blue Danube Radio" for presenting CT40 to the audiences  ...and from 1990 'til 1995 (for those with satellite) you could hear it on VoA Europe - in superb CD-quality!! (I was unfortunatelly stup*D enough not to record the shows off VoA, hehe...)! No CH20 was aired in Europe as far as I know, and none of stations mentioned above aired CBH either. I believe there is at least one other person in Europe who recorded most of these broadcasts. But to my knowledge Blue Danube Radio was a local affiliate, not broadcasting all over Europe. |
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