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Post by Glass Joe on Jun 20, 2023 18:13:02 GMT -5
There have been some songs that you would think would have had great finishes on a year end show, but end up getting ripped off or not as high as you would think. I will name some that I feel got ripped off.
"We Can't Go Wrong" - Cover Girls - It seems so odd and surprising that a song that peaked at # 8 would only finish at # 99 on the year end show of 1990. This song probably should have gotten in the 50s or 40s for the year.
"What Kind of Man Would I Be?" - Chicago - In my opinion, this is probably Chicago's best song. It managed to peak at # 5, but somehow only finished at # 82 on the year end show in 1990. How could this even be? It made the Top 5. Should have been in the Top 40 for the year.
"You're in Love" - Wilson Phillips - It was # 32 on the 1991 year end, but it was a # 1 hit. Really should have been in the Top 20 for the year.
"Under the Bridge" - Red Hot Chili Peppers - This one had a huge finish on Casey's Top 40 and Rick Dees, but only finished # 25 on AT40. I do realize that it never hit # 1 on AT40, but it probably still should have cracked the Top 20.
"Dirty Little Secret" - All-American Rejects - I know that # 16 in 2006 is a great finish, but this song spent at least 9 months on the chart, so it should have maybe made it to the bottom of the Top 10 for the year. I don't know how Panic! at the Disco's "I Write Sins Not Tragedies" beat this to rank # 11. It did not spend even half as much time (as of December 06) on the chart as this.
Thoughts on these choices? Also, any others you would like to add to the list?
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jun 20, 2023 18:39:49 GMT -5
Well, 1990 was a year the charts were very fast-moving, which included lots of turnover in the top 10. In years like that, you'll even have songs that made the top 10 that didn't crack the year-end top 100 (like Wang Chung's "Let's Go" from 1987). 1990 was also the year AT40 went back to compiling their own year-end chart, after going with Billboard the previous five years. They'd do this through the final one in 1994. While peak position is a factor in determining year-end rankings, there's other variables that come into play. It's similar to doing a decade-end chart, where you'd think all ten #1 songs of their respective years would automatically fill your decade-end top 10? Not so. Whatever methodology is employed by AT40, CT40, or any countdown show, there's always going to be those few head-scratchers. (Two for me: In 2000, Toni Braxton's "He Wasn't Man Enough" was left off the year-end, while the #1 song of 1996, "Missing" by Everything But The Girl, was not on the decade-end top 40. Two very glaring omissions, IMO.) Then, in 1995, "Run-Around" peaked at #5, but ranked #2 for the year, which as confusing as it looks, makes sense. It was on the charts for over 9 months. Here's one of many threads that spotlight the year-end charts, with alternate methodologies.
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Post by mstgator on Jun 20, 2023 21:23:18 GMT -5
Regarding the 2006 year-end rankings, Panic did have more airplay than the Rejects (by a decent margin) at pop radio during the chart year. I don't have the Mediabase numbers (which is what AT40 used), but the comparable BDS year-end had Panic at #9 with about 134,000 plays vs. Rejects at #16 with about 112,000 plays.
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Post by dth1971 on Jun 21, 2023 5:31:05 GMT -5
Regarding the 2006 year-end rankings, Panic did have more airplay than the Rejects (by a decent margin) at pop radio during the chart year. I don't have the Mediabase numbers (which is what AT40 used), but the comparable BDS year-end had Panic at #9 with about 134,000 plays vs. Rejects at #16 with about 112,000 plays. Also in 2006, why did Rob Thomas' "Ever the Same" make the AT40 year end countdown despite not making Ryan Seacrest's AT40 chart?
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jun 21, 2023 7:17:28 GMT -5
Regarding the 2006 year-end rankings, Panic did have more airplay than the Rejects (by a decent margin) at pop radio during the chart year. I don't have the Mediabase numbers (which is what AT40 used), but the comparable BDS year-end had Panic at #9 with about 134,000 plays vs. Rejects at #16 with about 112,000 plays. Also in 2006, why did Rob Thomas' "Ever the Same" make the AT40 year end countdown despite not making Ryan Seacrest's AT40 chart? Probably "ever the same" or similar reason Fun Factory's "Close To You" made the top 100 of 1995, despite never appearing on a weekly show. I'm still surprised it never made AT40 CHR; despite Rob's popularity of almost a decade to that point, there were so many other artists and songs dominating playlists.
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Post by johnnywest on Jun 21, 2023 20:49:34 GMT -5
I always felt that “Happy Days” by Pratt & McClain should’ve made the top 100 of 1976 since it hit #5.
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Post by donwa001 on Jun 21, 2023 22:37:44 GMT -5
"Happy Days" did better in the 1976 Year End listings for other music magazines. It was #78 in Cashbox, #55 in Radio & Records and #72 in The Gavin Report.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jun 21, 2023 23:15:43 GMT -5
I know I've said this on other threads, but Billboard's survey year periods during the 1970s were out of whack. The first couple of years, December peaking songs weren't included. Talk about getting the short end of the stick. I felt some of the year-end rankings were a bit screwy also. 1975 and 1976 had many songs that should have been ranked elsewhere, and then 1979 had the insanely early cut-off.
"Happy Days", in fact, was mentioned in the thread I linked in my above post. It barely missed the top 100.
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Post by trekkielo on Jun 22, 2023 9:12:16 GMT -5
"Happy Days" did better in the 1976 Year End listings for other music magazines. It was #78 in Cashbox, #55 in Radio & Records and #72 in The Gavin Report. Also on Opus 76 at #59.
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Post by trekkielo on Jun 22, 2023 9:22:44 GMT -5
I know I've said this on other threads, but Billboard's survey year periods during the 1970s were out of whack. The first couple of years, December peaking songs weren't included. Talk about getting the short end of the stick. I felt some of the year-end rankings were a bit screwy also. 1975 and 1976 had many songs that should have been ranked elsewhere, and then 1979 had the insanely early cut-off. Yeah, "Top Fifty Hits of The 1970s" could've waited until April, then there's 1973 & 1971, they should've found another way to do two Christmas specials in 2/3 years! I'm so glad that Opus came about.
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Post by dth1971 on Jun 24, 2023 6:01:47 GMT -5
I know I've said this on other threads, but Billboard's survey year periods during the 1970s were out of whack. The first couple of years, December peaking songs weren't included. Talk about getting the short end of the stick. I felt some of the year-end rankings were a bit screwy also. 1975 and 1976 had many songs that should have been ranked elsewhere, and then 1979 had the insanely early cut-off. Yeah, "Top Fifty Hits of The 1970s" could've waited until April, then there's 1973 & 1971, they should've found another way to do two Christmas specials in 2/3 years! Now, will Ken Martin ever create a "Top 100 Hits of the 1970's" 2 part countdown? There would be the main top 50 of the 1970's and the bottom 50 with Casey created bits.
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Post by Hervard on Jun 24, 2023 7:12:20 GMT -5
Regarding the 2006 year-end rankings, Panic did have more airplay than the Rejects (by a decent margin) at pop radio during the chart year. I don't have the Mediabase numbers (which is what AT40 used), but the comparable BDS year-end had Panic at #9 with about 134,000 plays vs. Rejects at #16 with about 112,000 plays. Also in 2006, why did Rob Thomas' "Ever the Same" make the AT40 year end countdown despite not making Ryan Seacrest's AT40 chart? I figured that "Ever The Same" would make the year-end, since it peaked at #33 on the R&R chart. It was probably bubbling under the AT40 chart for weeks. What really got me about that year-ender was "Mr. Brightside", which had fallen off the survey in 2005. Must have had more airplay than one might think.
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Post by michaelcasselman on Jun 24, 2023 10:19:57 GMT -5
Yeah, "Top Fifty Hits of The 1970s" could've waited until April, then there's 1973 & 1971, they should've found another way to do two Christmas specials in 2/3 years! Now, will Ken Martin ever create a "Top 100 Hits of the 1970's" 2 part countdown? There would be the main top 50 of the 1970's and the bottom 50 with Casey created bits. The Top 50 countdown that they actually did produce was dubiously compiled, IIRC. Just getting a top 100 list to work off of would require agreeing to all sort of long-after-the-fact computation and weighing of chart data that would be a much-better-left-unopened can of worms.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jun 24, 2023 12:40:16 GMT -5
And also the fact that we've never had more than 50 hits counted down in a decade-end show. In fact, the 1970s are the only decade to feature more than 40 hits. CT40 did a 1980s top 40 (technically the Top 40 Million Sellers Of The 1980s), and AT40 counted down the top 40 hits of the 1990s, 2000s, and 2010s.
While a top 100 of the decade sounds very intriguing, it is 99.99% unlikely to happen.
ETA: I'd be interested in seeing a top 100 hits of the decade for any decade from the 1960s to 2010s, for sure. (Especially the 70s and 80s!)
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Post by Hervard on Jun 25, 2023 12:04:13 GMT -5
CT40 did a 1980s top 40 (technically the Top 40 Million Sellers Of The 1980s) They also did a Top 40 songs of the 1980s - along with several other configurations, which were presented here and there throughout 1990. The difference between the Top 40 of the 1980s and the Million Sellers countdowns is that "Every Breath You Take" was #1 on the former and "We Are The World" topped the latter.
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