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Post by jmack19 on Jul 7, 2017 22:00:05 GMT -5
"I Know There's Something Going On" by Frida was ranked #20 for 1983 on BB. On AT40, the song ranked #83 for 1983.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jul 8, 2017 4:54:11 GMT -5
For 1972's year-end, AT40 ranked "You Are Everything" by the Stylistics at #29. However, it did not list among Billboard's Top 100.
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Post by dth1971 on Jul 8, 2017 7:16:17 GMT -5
How about these on regular chart weeks:
In 1975, "Before the Next Teardrop Falls" by Freddy Fender made #1 on Billboard/AT40, but only made #15 or #17 on R&R.
In 1982, "Gypsy" by Fleetwood Mac missed the top 10 on Billboard/AT40, but made #1 on R&R.
In 1983, "Seperate Ways" by Journey made #8 on Billboard/AT40, but made #1 on R&R.
In 1990, "U Can't Touch This" by M.C. Hammer made #8 on Billboard/AT40, but made #1 on R&R/Casey's Top 40/Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 (Did Casey and Rick make note of M.C. Hammer being the first rapper to hit #1 on the pop chart but Shadoe Stevens on AT40 didn't make notice of a #1 rap act feat until later in the year when "Ice Ice Baby" by Vanilla Ice made #1 on AT40?)
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Post by dukelightning on Jul 8, 2017 8:05:47 GMT -5
^That is another "Thriller" type situation where because it was a late single release, the song had no chance to hit #1 on the Hot 100.
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Post by Mike on Jul 9, 2017 18:06:36 GMT -5
^That is another "Thriller" type situation where because it was a late single release, the song had no chance to hit #1 on the Hot 100. Not true, actually - "U Can't Touch This" was only available as a 12-inch vinyl single, at a time when vinyl in particular was in major decline. Thus, it wasn't able to generate the kind of sales needed to take it to #1. Timing had nothing to do with it - the song debuted on the Hot 100 (and, consequently, AT40) on 4/28/90 at #27; even in R&R, it was still just over a month away from hitting #1. A better example of a "Thriller" is, fittingly enough, Madonna's "Rescue Me" (which didn't hit #1 even in R&R anyway). |
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Post by dukelightning on Jul 9, 2017 19:00:29 GMT -5
My bad. So we have a whole litany of songs that did not hit #1 because of either delayed or no single releases. This is an example of a song not hitting because of the type of single that was released. Any others in that category?
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Post by mct1 on Jul 9, 2017 22:01:30 GMT -5
Agreed that the issue with "U Can't Touch This" was more its release only as a 12-inch single than the timing of its release. The 12-inch was released (thus making it eligible for the Hot 100) well before the song's airplay peak, and its subsequent chart runs in Billboard and R&R ran roughly parallel except that it always lagged several notches lower in Billboard due to low sales points. Contrast this to "Thriller", which hit #1 in R&R the week it debuted on the Hot 100, and began dropping in R&R the following week. ("Thriller" also had the fact that millions of Americans already owned its parent album working against it in terms of single sales.)
That having been said, it's true that there was some delay in releasing "U Can't Touch This" as a single, albeit only in 12-inch form. When the song made its Hot 100 debut, it was already in its fifth week in the Top 40 on R&R, and had worked its way up to #14. That it was already getting significant airplay explains its high Hot 100 debut.
I'm not sure what Capitol's thinking was in releasing the single only as a 12-inch. It seems to be nothing more than an early variation on what would become a growing trend towards not releasing pop airplay hits as singles in order to force consumers to buy the album. In that case, though, why bother with the 12-inch? My guess is one of the following: 1) 12-inch singles had historically been important in the rap market. They wanted to cater to that market to retain credibility with it, and figured that few pop fans would buy the 12-inch single, so it wouldn't put much of a dent in their strategy to make people buy the album. 2) At the time, not commercially releasing a single at all would have been nearly unprecedented, and would have kept it off certain key charts like the Billboard Hot 100 and R&B charts. They wanted some sort of single release out so it would be eligible to appear on these charts, even if its chart position might be a little bit depressed.
Capitol apparently seriously considered releasing "U Can't Touch This" as a standard cassette single, because they went so far as to assign a catalog number to it. It was actually released in that form under that catalog number in Canada. (At the time, Canadian Capitol releases with a parallel U.S. release used the same catalog number as in the U.S., while a separate sequence was used for uniquely Canadian releases. The Canadian cassette single of "U Can't Touch This" has a number in the sequence shared with the U.S., not the uniquely Canadian sequence.)
I can't really think of any other singles in this category. Off the top of my head, I can't come up with another mainstream hit from this era that was available only on 12-inch.
The closest thing I can think of is "I'll Be There For You" by The Rembrandts. When this song was being promoted to radio and became a big airplay hit in the late spring and summer of 1995, it wasn't commercially available as a single, aside from a vinyl 45 aimed mostly at the jukebox trade. (After the debacle with "Unchained Melody" in 1990, Billboard had decided that release only as a 45 was no longer sufficient to qualify a song for the Hot 100, and The Rembrandts' record label was reportedly well aware of that policy.) The label did commercially release the next song it promoted from the band, "This House Is Not A Home", in September 1995, on cassette and CD single, and it put "I'll Be There For You" on the B-side. Due to a sense that "I'll Be There For You" was the more popular of the two songs and was the reason most people were buying the single, Billboard treated the song as a two-sided hit, with "I'll Be There For You" listed first. But "I'll Be There For You" was well past its peak, and the single never got any higher than #17. "I'll Be There For You" was thus technically a #17 hit on the Billboard Hot 100.
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Post by Mike on Jul 9, 2017 23:17:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure what Capitol's thinking was in releasing the single only as a 12-inch. It seems to be nothing more than an early variation on what would become a growing trend towards not releasing pop airplay hits as singles in order to force consumers to buy the album. In that case, though, why bother with the 12-inch? My guess is one of the following: 1) 12-inch singles had historically been important in the rap market. They wanted to cater to that market to retain credibility with it, and figured that few pop fans would buy the 12-inch single, so it wouldn't put much of a dent in their strategy to make people buy the album. 2) At the time, not commercially releasing a single at all would have been nearly unprecedented, and would have kept it off certain key charts like the Billboard Hot 100 and R&B charts. They wanted some sort of single release out so it would be eligible to appear on these charts, even if its chart position might be a little bit depressed. I agree that it'd be an early version of pushing consumers to buy the album. Given that Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em would build to runaway success even with wider releases of the latter singles, evidently they didn't feel the need to stick with the limited strategy over the duration. Who knows if they even needed to limit the "U Can't Touch This" single to begin with?  As for why the 12-inch - I'd say it's both (1) and (2). |
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Post by dth1971 on Jul 14, 2017 17:38:28 GMT -5
And another example:
In 1990, the re-release of "Unchained Melody" by the Righteous Brothers made #15 on Billboard/AT40 available only via a vinyl 45 single with the new recorded version of the same song and duo making #19 on Billboard/AT40. but the original version re-issued "Unchained Meloday" (not the 1990 re-recorded version) made #3 on R&R.
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 24, 2023 21:23:33 GMT -5
I remember 3 Phil Collins songs all in a row in AT40’s Top 100 of 1990. I doubt Billnoard had that as well. AT40 probably did ghat to save time by playing a medley.
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Post by freakyflybry on Dec 24, 2023 22:16:11 GMT -5
I remember 3 Phil Collins songs all in a row in AT40’s Top 100 of 1990. I doubt Billnoard had that as well. AT40 probably did ghat to save time by playing a medley. I recall Rick Dees also doing medleys on year-end shows if songs by the same artist landed back to back. He did this in 1993 with Duran Duran (Ordinary World/Come Undone) and 1997 with the Spice Girls (Wannabe/Say You'll Be There). |
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Post by SFGuy on Dec 25, 2023 2:50:39 GMT -5
If AT40 still used Billboard this week, 26 Christmas songs would be on the charts.
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As for why the 12-inch - I'd say it's both (1) and (2).
