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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 17:26:18 GMT -5
Or make the R&Ds optional and no one air them.
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Post by donwa001 on Sept 12, 2014 19:22:01 GMT -5
For future Record Research books, I'm hoping actual chart reprints would be available. I would love to go back and look at the actual reprints for the Album, Soul and Easy Listening charts in the 60's, 70's and 80's.
I believe the physical book sales are down at Record Research (thanks to the internet when you can look up Billboard chart positions), so I hope these charts are released on CD's as actual PDF files instead of printed in a book.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 20:02:28 GMT -5
^ this is what I'd really like for R&R.
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Post by mstgator on Sept 14, 2014 11:57:14 GMT -5
I would be very interested in an R&R book, similar to the Billboard, Cash Box and Record World books he's put out. Since Rick and Casey used them for many years, it's the chart I'm the most familiar with. Well 1973-2006 anyway. When R&R was bought out by Billboard, it was basically just the Billboard Radio Monitor with R&R's name. Did R&R ever do deep charts with 75, 100, or more rungs like the BB/CB/RW charts did? Everything I've seen of theirs was 40 or 50 positions. Fine for what it is, but I think Whitburn's books have evolved in that one of their main purposes is in rediscovering and listing as many obscure and forgotten oldies as possible. Especially as most of them can now actually be heard on the internet. Thus the additions of the regional songs and the compilations of the obscurity-filled CB and RW "bubbling under" equivalents, and the disappearance of the "price guides." A 40 or 50 position chart just isn't going to uncover too many truly forgotten 45s that aren't on any of the already compiled charts. True enough, although for those of us who still listened to Top 40 radio post-1991, there are quite a few songs that hit the lower rungs of the R&R chart but failed to make the Hot 100 (or Hot 100 Airplay, or even Bubbling Under) due to not crossing over to other formats. And of course it's fun to be able to compare peak positions among the different trades without having to go online for the R&R peaks.
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Post by bottlerocket on Sept 22, 2014 17:23:19 GMT -5
I think my favorite Whitburn books were the Pop Annuals when they would print up the list of chart positions for each song that reached the top 5. They did away with that later I imagine due to space constraints.
What would be great is a Pop Annual decade edition for the 60s, 70s, 80s, etc that listed the singles by position like they do now and then add all positions every song reached while in the Hot 100. The book could also contain another section with the same kind of format detailing a song's chart run on other charts (R&B, AC, Dance, Country, etc.). This would really be the final word on songs for each decade and would provide something not easily found on the internet. I would definitely buy this.
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Post by donwa001 on Sept 28, 2014 8:50:41 GMT -5
So my copy of "Top Pop Playlists 1970-1984" has arrived and I like the book.
Nice to see "Until Now" - Bobby Arvon make this playlist for March 1978. Great single
Wish "Colorado" - Danny Holien had made the October 1972 playlist.
Hope the series continues with "Top Pop Playlists 1985-1999" and "Top Pop Playlists "2000-2014"
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Post by chadstevens on Sept 29, 2014 23:01:20 GMT -5
I'd love to see the 2005-2009 Pop 100 charts incorporated into Top Pop Singles.
I know the focus is probably on the oldies, but this certainly fits the theme and did make an attempt to address the weaknesses of the Hot 100 during this era and bring Billboard's flagship chart back into focus.
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Post by jlthorpe on Oct 4, 2014 21:16:19 GMT -5
True enough, although for those of us who still listened to Top 40 radio post-1991, there are quite a few songs that hit the lower rungs of the R&R chart but failed to make the Hot 100 (or Hot 100 Airplay, or even Bubbling Under) due to not crossing over to other formats. And of course it's fun to be able to compare peak positions among the different trades without having to go online for the R&R peaks. Oddly enough, that's the next book available from Record Research: www.recordresearch.com/pop/the_comparison_book_1954-1982.php
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Post by chadstevens on Oct 5, 2014 14:10:18 GMT -5
It's strange that they wouldn't continue the remaining 14 years between the end of Record World and the end of Cashbox. It would have been useful to compare those two publications in the 80s and 90s as well.
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Post by jlthorpe on Apr 2, 2015 16:14:46 GMT -5
I suspect - as much as I love Joel Whitburn and Record Research - it's getting harder and harder to sell new editions of Top Pop Singles every few years, with all the limitations of the Hot 100 in a 21st century musical environment. So it's likely just something to keep new product in the pipeline. Thus the Record World and Cashbox anthologies. Great stuff: I bought all four, but they're one-offs with no potential for any updates in the future. I've got the country and R&B anthologies that Cashbox put out in the 1980s, and would love to see those charts (and RW's for that matter) get the Whitburn treatment, but they'd also probably be hard sells. Still on the drawing board, so no date yet. But Whitburn will have more CB and RW genre books soon. Most likely starting with a Music Vendor/Record World country book (its chart was much bigger than Billboard’s in the 1950s and 60s.) It looks like you were right about this: www.recordresearch.com/country/hit_country_records_1954_1982.php
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Post by chadstevens on Apr 5, 2015 22:15:21 GMT -5
I know and I'm so excited!
One thing I noticed is that all of Joel's sample pages show only songs from the 1950's and early 1960's. I guess those are the most historically interesting, but I'm very interested in seeing the latter half (1970s and '80s) of that chart too. Did RW's Country charts ever go deeper than 50 rungs like Cashbox and Billboard's did?
I'm guessing (hoping!) that the R&B charts from Record World and Cashbox will get Whitburned as well. Did either of those publications do an equivalent to the AC or Dance charts? I know that RW's disco chart was used to cover a gap in RR's Dance/Disco chart anthology. I'm just wondering how deep it went and how long they continued it.
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Post by rayshae3 on Apr 8, 2015 17:09:41 GMT -5
I know and I'm so excited! One thing I noticed is that all of Joel's sample pages show only songs from the 1950's and early 1960's. I guess those are the most historically interesting, but I'm very interested in seeing the latter half (1970s and '80s) of that chart too. Did RW's Country charts ever go deeper than 50 rungs like Cashbox and Billboard's did? I'm guessing (hoping!) that the R&B charts from Record World and Cashbox will get Whitburned as well. Did either of those publications do an equivalent to the AC or Dance charts? I know that RW's disco chart was used to cover a gap in RR's Dance/Disco chart anthology. I'm just wondering how deep it went and how long they continued it. To answer your question about RW C&W chart: Yes, Record World had a Top 100 country chart in the 70s like this ,and the top 100 continued until the very last issue on Apr. 10, 1982.(see the actual chart page caption on the YouTube links.) One of RW specialty extensive coverages was disco (the other being a weekly Jazz album chart that the rivals lacked; BB had a bi-weekly/monthly Jazz chart for the most part in the 70s period.) But there was no “gaps” per se in BB disco coverage the way there was one for example in the R&B chart between 1963 and 1965. Whitburn’s coverage of RW Top 20 disco chart (between 3/29/75 and 8/21/76) was simply due to the fact that it was the first national list; BB continued its coverage of region-specific charts of pre-3/29/75 during this period. It was only when BB’s Top 30 National Disco Action premiered on 8/28/76 that Whitburn switched back using Billboard chart that was a bigger chart than the RW Top 20 which stayed only 20-position deep for a few more years (till at least 1978.) RW’s Disco File chart was definitely a Top 50 though in 1979. Also to answer your other question RW’s disco chart also continued until its last issue; and early in 1982, RW did a revamping of its disco charts with one devoted to the most-played tracks and another chart for most added in clubs. BTW in the peak disco period (around 1979) Cashbox had only a Top 30, but to make it more interesting even Radio and Records had a short-lived disco chart. CB continued its own 12-single chart till at least the late 80s. As for Adult contemporary I am only familiar with CB’s AC listing in its Juke Box pages (not records section) which was pretty limited.
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Post by chadstevens on Apr 9, 2015 19:22:22 GMT -5
Thanks. It's going to be interesting to see, that's for certain.
What's got me fascinated is that there are so many country 45s - mostly from the '70s and '80s - in RR's Hot Country Songs that are listed without B-Sides, presumably because Joel doesn't have them even in his mighty archives. I'd imagine that the bottom half of Cashbox and Record World's country listings have to have at least as many hopeless obscure discs. I wonder how complete the B-side listings will be or if maybe Joel got them from another source?
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