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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 12:33:11 GMT -5
No.
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Post by BrettVW on Dec 23, 2015 7:02:34 GMT -5
That is a decision the engineers and editors decided to make. They decided they WOULD do it Doesn't mean they SHOULD have. This is obviously an "oh s&&&" moment by the engineers and editors who didn't time things out properly and didn't know until the last minute deadline. Unbelievably sloppy. Also, the original show from 12/20/80 shows 12 minutes of local avail per hour. By combining segments, Premiere is probably down to 8 minutes of local inventory per hour? Did they not run network ads in 1980 to fill part of AT40's four hours? Correct. The national ads didn't begin until 1982 when ABC became involved (save for the early days in the early 70s)
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Post by jamesff on Jan 11, 2016 1:15:11 GMT -5
They completely removed the first verse of "Fire" by the Ohio Players on the 1/11/1975 show.
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Post by ds on Jan 24, 2016 18:06:11 GMT -5
The edits on the early '70s shows are starting to get nearly as bad as XM shows. The way they move songs around and get rid of extras is irritating if you want the show in its original form. I say this because the 1/23/71 show got rid of the George Harrison extra completely (not just moved to optional) and started the third hour at #13 rather than #14 (unless the cues are wrong on the original sheet).
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Post by kchkwong on Jan 25, 2016 23:15:44 GMT -5
The edits on the early '70s shows are starting to get nearly as bad as XM shows. The way they move songs around and get rid of extras is irritating if you want the show in its original form. I say this because the 1/23/71 show got rid of the George Harrison extra completely (not just moved to optional) and started the third hour at #13 rather than #14 (unless the cues are wrong on the original sheet). The original cue sheet is correct. A lot of editing was done on the show, even the tease to "Watching Scotty Grow" was moved to another place in the show.
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Post by dukelightning on Feb 3, 2016 14:01:14 GMT -5
I will be listening to see if Premiere does more of that on this week's 70s show. Heard the original show and despite there being only 12 songs in the third hour and no "American Pie" type long songs in it, they managed to edit "Do it Again". Now in the last 1973 show back in December, Premiere actually edited in a LONGER version of "You're a Special Part of Me" while editing other lesser known songs in the same segment. Not sure that scenario comes into play this time because Steely Dan is in the top 10. So there are no other lesser known songs with it being in the top 10 and no odd ball songs a la "The Americans" (which cannot be edited anyway) to edit. We'll see. Had to go to youtube and hear the Lp version of "Do it Again" after the show finished.
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Post by bigal on Feb 6, 2016 8:34:10 GMT -5
I will be listening to see if Premiere does more of that on this week's 70s show. Heard the original show and despite there being only 12 songs in the third hour and no "American Pie" type long songs in it, they managed to edit "Do it Again". Now in the last 1973 show back in December, Premiere actually edited in a LONGER version of "You're a Special Part of Me" while editing other lesser known songs in the same segment. Not sure that scenario comes into play this time because Steely Dan is in the top 10. So there are no other lesser known songs with it being in the top 10 and no odd ball songs a la "The Americans" (which cannot be edited anyway) to edit. We'll see. Had to go to youtube and hear the Lp version of "Do it Again" after the show finished. i believe DO IT AGAIN was the 45 edit that has he overlap into the third verse
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Post by dukelightning on Feb 6, 2016 11:44:31 GMT -5
Yes I heard the whole segment that consisted of songs 8 through 5. Premiere did the exact same thing with that segment that they did with the aforementioned segment in the 12/15/73 show. They edited in a longer version (the whole 45 edit) of "Do It Again" at the expense of other songs in the segment. In this case, they edited both "Trouble Man" and "War is a Ghetto", neither of which were edited on the original show. I don't know what they are trying to do here. It could be they think R&B songs are less worthy of playing as both edited songs are R&B. Plus I am guessing the Steely Dan song is played more often than either the Marvin Gaye or War songs on stations today. And Premiere has been known to edit R&B songs in the past as well as bypass R&B songs for optional extras. Or they may simply want to offer something different than the original show to make their presentation more of a collector's item.
Personally I would rather have the original show with just the one edit and then go to youtube and check out the longest available version after the show. With the Premiere version, you have 2 songs there that I mentioned plus numerous others I am assuming that were edited, making for a long time at youtube hearing longer versions.
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Post by dukelightning on Feb 11, 2016 19:16:57 GMT -5
The last post here was by yours truly about last week's 70s show. Now I am posting about this week's show which has started on WSQL. I thought Premiere would make another edit for a longer song on "Livin Thing" but I was wrong. It clocked in at 2:15 on the original show and they left it as is. The other song I think they might edit in a longer version of is "Year of the Cat". As in most of the original shows, it is edited on this one. Let's see if they rectify that.
And the editing is done. Edited in 13 longer versions of songs...the 7 I mentioned in the 70s show thread and 6 others. Total length of the show now is about 3 minutes less than 3 hours or almost a half hour longer than it was. And I am especially thankful for AT40 playing "Carry on Wayward Son" as a LDD on 12/8/84. It is the only time as far as I know that they ever played the Lp version to the cold ending. Got to steal an outro from that a la Ken Martin #1s of the 70s/80s style so that I have Casey not talking over the fade of COWS. (When you edit in a longer song, you still have to keep the outros to all the songs and if the long version is a cold ending but the 45 is a fade, then Casey talks over the fade and it makes for an awkward outro going from a cold ending to a fade bed underneath Casey talking). Or you could just leave the shows alone and not mess with it!
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Post by MrGeno502 on Feb 14, 2016 0:00:50 GMT -5
So much for a longer version of "Year Of The Cat" on the 2/12/77 show.The edit was downright pitiful! My cat Sasha's favorite song is "Year Of The Cat" and in regards to the edit she says "HISSSS"
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Post by mkarns on Feb 14, 2016 1:45:01 GMT -5
The last post here was by yours truly about last week's 70s show. Now I am posting about this week's show which has started on WSQL. I thought Premiere would make another edit for a longer song on "Livin Thing" but I was wrong. It clocked in at 2:15 on the original show and they left it as is. Speaking of ELO, Sirius XM played the 2/14/76 show this week and "Evil Woman" was cut down to 1:45. Can't blame Premiere for that. (This was done originally presumably to accommodate two extras from the 1960s, which SXM cut out.)
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Post by dukelightning on Feb 14, 2016 8:53:22 GMT -5
Responding to Brett's post in the other thread, I have done my best to keep editing posts to this thread but was responding to previous posts about it in the other thread. As to the earlier posts in this thread, as with the ELO song in the 1976 show, that was a Watermark edit on the Al Stewart song. Funny how Casey segued from that to Bob Seger with the title track from a gold album comment and both were shorter versions. For Seger, that Lp version was never played on AT40. At least "Year of the Cat" was featured in the Lp version a few times. Yes the edit on ELO in the 1976 is certainly caused by the silly extras. I wish AT40 had done what they did in the 1977 show when it came to stories about the past. Casey mentioned the Temptations feats on the soul chart but did not play an extra by them. That is the way they should have handled it or at the very least, just played a clip of a song rather then tell a story AND play an extra. That is 4 minutes give or take that is allotted to the story and extra which is take your pick...a minute off of 4 other songs or 2 minutes off of 2 songs to fit everything in. Or of course they could have gone to 4 hours a lot sooner!
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Post by davewollenberg on Mar 13, 2016 19:10:19 GMT -5
Alright, I get it. Premiere HAS to do some editing, to make the show fit the time slot. What I'd like to know is, how does Premiere determine what songs to edit on the countdowns? Somebody must know.
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Post by MrGeno502 on Mar 13, 2016 19:27:12 GMT -5
So much for a longer version of "Year Of The Cat" on the 2/12/77 show.The edit was downright pitiful! My cat Sasha's favorite song is "Year Of The Cat" and in regards to the edit she says "HISSSS" Things are not any better on the 3/12/77 show."Year Of The Cat" is once again a pitiful edit. Couldn't they use this short version at least? www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BtcRrIv-is
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Post by dukelightning on Mar 13, 2016 19:33:49 GMT -5
^Making it month of the cat. One of 11 songs I edited in longer versions of for this show. Which is about average for this part of 1977.
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