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Post by woolebull on Nov 4, 2013 18:37:06 GMT -5
I don't know why this crossed my mind, but do any of you remember in 1988 when Samantha Fox had a solid run with "Naughty Girls (Need Love Too)"? When it was played on American Top 40, when the song was played (I don't know if it was every time but you would think if it is edited once it would be edited every time) they would edit out the word "fun and" in the second bridge. The way they edited it was by reversing the word so it was unintelligible. The bridge went like this (credit to Full Force):
Samantha Fox was such a wild dame
Huh but what's in a name
(S-S-Samantha, S-S-Samantha)
No more fun and games of the mind
Let's get busy one more time.
My only guess is that they thought another "f" word was taking the place of "fun and". My question to you is was this AT 40's editing or was it Jive (the record label) that did it? For the record, I can't find any indication that the lyrics were never "fun and". In fact, I had the album and don't remember thinking it said anything but "fun and". So why would a record company edit out lyrics that they know are about as harmless as any lyrics can be. However, I didn't see a note about it in Pete's book.
And if it was edited from another "f" word, why didn't they just use the version that had "fun and"? They had just run into that issue with Lita Ford and "Kiss Me Deadly"?
It's like Jimmy Kimmel's "Unnecessary Editing" bit. I never once thought there could have been an explicit word there until I heard AT 40 blurb it out.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Nov 5, 2013 9:47:43 GMT -5
Isn't there a case where there is a radio-friendly version vs. a dirty version? I doubt there was editing by the AT40 producers at all.
AT40 tends to play radio-friendly versions - since AT40 was (and still is) intended to be a family-friendly show.
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Post by michaelcasselman on Nov 5, 2013 11:33:07 GMT -5
When did "fun and" become 'dirty'?
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Post by mga707 on Nov 5, 2013 13:45:26 GMT -5
When did "fun and" become 'dirty'? Probably with Ms. Fox' accent someone was afraid that some listener would hear "fun and games" as "f*****' games". |
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Post by woolebull on Nov 5, 2013 16:10:41 GMT -5
When did "fun and" become 'dirty'? Probably with Ms. Fox' accent someone was afraid that some listener would hear "fun and games" as "f*****' games". She did have a thick thick accent, and I could see some people maybe misunderstanding it, but if there was a "clean" version, it would have to come from either a) the record company or b) AT 40 on their own. Why would the record company put out a "clean" version of something that is already clean? Unless to drum up business for the song, but I don't think that an unnecessary edit one time, deep into the second bridge, would make waves. And to tell you how far they had come at that point in 1988, she could say a line like "sex is something I just had" in "Naughty Girls", when George Michael was run through the ringer not even a year earlier. Granted, his use of the word "sex" was a title, but still... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2013 16:20:07 GMT -5
I was 11 so I wasn't exactly paying attention to these concerns. It could also be the media, Falwell, Robertson, whomever got their underwear in a bunch over the Michaels song while some as bad or far worse just got less attention so no one cared. Personally I think that's why the song became as big a success as it did. And there's many examples of people making a big deal about something and it creating a hit out of it...especially on TV.
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Post by woolebull on Nov 5, 2013 16:45:29 GMT -5
I don't think the attention made it successful. "Sex" entered the Hot 100 something like five weeks after a George Michael number one duet, Michael had never missed the Top 10 with Wham! or on his own and this was the first single off his first solo album from one of the biggest movies of the year. If anything, the controversy hurt the song...stations would not play it. A few more stations play it just a few times and he probably goes to 1.
But I agree with you about some songs being as bad or worse getting no attention. George Michael and that particular song was held to a different standard at that time than other artists and songs. Samantha Fox's first hit just a few months before "I Want Your Sex" was "Touch Me (I Want Your Body)" and no one had an issue with that. Heck, I don't even remember the pitchforks out for Pat Benatar and "Sex As A Weapon" a year and a half before. George was big time, and they went after the big guy.
I still laugh when I hear an old show from early '87 and Casey saying "Touch Me".I wonder if ever said the whole title of the song on the show?
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Post by mstgator on Nov 5, 2013 19:58:46 GMT -5
I still laugh when I hear an old show from early '87 and Casey saying "Touch Me".I wonder if ever said the whole title of the song on the show? I'm 99% sure that he never said the subtitle ("I Want Your Body"). Regarding "Naughty Girls", it always sounded to me like they substituted the word "love" in place of "fun and" (although it came off rather obvious, kind of like that Monty Python skit where the BBC traded out the word "cancer" with "gangrene" in a completely different voice). |
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Post by 1finemrg on Nov 5, 2013 22:59:57 GMT -5
When did "fun and" become 'dirty'? Probably with Ms. Fox' accent someone was afraid that some listener would hear "fun and games" as "f*****' games". Actually back in 1971, Ray Davies of the Kinks had that issue with their #45 hit "Apeman", the follow up to Lola. Specifically the offensive line was "The air pollution is foggin' up my eyes." |
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Nov 6, 2013 11:11:26 GMT -5
Probably with Ms. Fox' accent someone was afraid that some listener would hear "fun and games" as "f*****' games". Actually back in 1971, Ray Davies of the Kinks had that issue with their #45 hit "Apeman", the follow up to Lola. Specifically the offensive line was "The air pollution is foggin' up my eyes." I hear a quite clear K sound within the word. Sure he doesn't say F u c k i n up my eyes? Likewise, in FM by Steely Dan, I swear that Donald f*gen is singing: Give us some Fu(ked up music instead of Funked. The first time sounds more like a profanity than the other time. |
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Post by blackbowl68 on Nov 6, 2013 15:39:57 GMT -5
If anyone gets a chance to hear a replay of 11/03/73 show (on XFM today or WMGN Saturday morning), you may want to listen very closely to Kool & the Gang's "Funky Stuff." At some point in the record, one of the voices says "keep on truckin'" followed by a horn riff, then he ALLEDGEDLY says the same phrase with an "f" replacing "tr." It's very faint in the recording so you gotta keep your ear wide open.
I'm surprised censors still to this day have never caught this!
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Post by mkarns on Nov 6, 2013 16:11:03 GMT -5
If anyone gets a chance to hear a replay of 11/03/73 show (on XFM today or WMGN Saturday morning), you may want to listen very closely to Kool & the Gang's "Funky Stuff." At some point in the record, one of the voices says "keep on truckin'" followed by a horn riff, then he ALLEDGEDLY says the same phrase with an "f" replacing "tr." It's very faint in the recording so you gotta keep your ear wide open. I'm surprised censors still to this day have never caught this! I was surprised to hear Casey call it an instrumental hit. While there weren't a whole lot of lyrics (mostly "Can't get enough of that funky stuff"), they were repeated over and over. |
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