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Post by beegee3 on Aug 6, 2013 16:48:33 GMT -5
I was listening to a 1988 show and heard "She's Like The Wind" from Patrick Swayze featuring Wendy Fraser. I know it's common to have "featuring" credits now, but during the classic AT40 era was Wendy the biggest artist whose only Top 40 appearance was a "featuring" credit (i.e., never a hit of her own)? The only other one I can think of who might be bigger (and it may be after AT40 ended) is L.V., who was featured on Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise" but never had his own Top 40 hit.
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Post by Mike on Aug 6, 2013 18:08:40 GMT -5
The only other one I can think of who might be bigger (and it may be after AT40 ended) is L.V., who was featured on Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise" but never had his own Top 40 hit. Yeah, that was after - later that year. Joe Esposito also had a "featuring" credit on "Piano in the Dark" in '88 - dunno if he had even one Top 40 hit solo, but he was a part of Brooklyn Dreams, who teamed up with Donna Summer on 1979's "Heaven Knows" (as cited in the 4/30/88 show). What did bring "featuring" credits into a sort of 'vogue', though? Was it rap/hip-hop artists tendency to list guests that way? |
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Post by michaelcasselman on Aug 6, 2013 19:57:20 GMT -5
Seems like there was an evolution of co-credits. From almost-equal billing (like Diana Ross AND Lionel Richie's "Endless Love"), to the somewhat lessened (?) credit of 'with' (as in "Yah Mo B There" by James Ingram WITH Michael McDonald or "Diamonds" by Herb Alpert WITH Janet Jackson). Sergio Mendes' 1980's hits also gave credit to their respective singers.
For the longest time, I was bewildered by the crediting on 1992's "The Best Things In Life Are Free": Luther VanDross AND Janet Jackson WITH Bell Biv Devoe AND Ralph Tresvant. When I was keeping a weekly journal, my hand would cramp-up when tracking that hit. ;-)
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Post by woolebull on Aug 6, 2013 21:08:12 GMT -5
Seems like there was an evolution of co-credits. From almost-equal billing (like Diana Ross AND Lionel Richie's "Endless Love"), to the somewhat lessened (?) credit of 'with' (as in "Yah Mo B There" by James Ingram WITH Michael McDonald or "Diamonds" by Herb Alpert WITH Janet Jackson). Sergio Mendes' 1980's hits also gave credit to their respective singers. For the longest time, I was bewildered by the crediting on 1992's "The Best Things In Life Are Free": Luther VanDross AND Janet Jackson WITH Bell Biv Devoe AND Ralph Tresvant. When I was keeping a weekly journal, my hand would cramp-up when tracking that hit. ;-) On the flip side lol on the "Best Things" single...that was confusing. You bring up James Ingram, and James only had one Top 40 hit where he had solo credit, "I Don't Have The Heart". His other number one had a very interesting credit listing. "Baby Come To Me" is listed on the Hot 100 as Patti Austin on a line with the title of the song. Then under that, in parenthesis, it says "A Duet With James Ingram". It certainly isn't a "feature" but it also seems that, for whatever reason, your definition of lessened credit would apply there. I mean, that song is just as much James's as it is hers, but for whatever reason, if you are reading the Hot 100 from that time, you might actually miss James getting credit for singing on the song at all! |
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Post by tpanther775 on Aug 6, 2013 22:01:44 GMT -5
Seems like there was an evolution of co-credits. From almost-equal billing (like Diana Ross AND Lionel Richie's "Endless Love"), to the somewhat lessened (?) credit of 'with' (as in "Yah Mo B There" by James Ingram WITH Michael McDonald or "Diamonds" by Herb Alpert WITH Janet Jackson). Sergio Mendes' 1980's hits also gave credit to their respective singers. For the longest time, I was bewildered by the crediting on 1992's "The Best Things In Life Are Free": Luther VanDross AND Janet Jackson WITH Bell Biv Devoe AND Ralph Tresvant. When I was keeping a weekly journal, my hand would cramp-up when tracking that hit. ;-) On the flip side lol on the "Best Things" single...that was confusing. You bring up James Ingram, and James only had one Top 40 hit where he had solo credit, "I Don't Have The Heart". His other number one had a very interesting credit listing. "Baby Come To Me" is listed on the Hot 100 as Patti Austin on a line with the title of the song. Then under that, in parenthesis, it says "A Duet With James Ingram". It certainly isn't a "feature" but it also seems that, for whatever reason, your definition of lessened credit would apply there. I mean, that song is just as much James's as it is hers, but for whatever reason, if you are reading the Hot 100 from that time, you might actually miss James getting credit for singing on the song at all! I think James Ingram should have gotten more credit on the song "One Hundred Ways" in 1982. I know it's Quincy Jones featuring James Ingram. But that song is James' just as much as Quincy's. I always thought James is a great singer. It's amazing he had only one solo hit. |
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Post by mga707 on Aug 6, 2013 22:05:54 GMT -5
Don't forget 1981's "Just Once". Great Ingram vocal, and that same "featuring" credit.
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Post by woolebull on Aug 6, 2013 22:22:32 GMT -5
Don't forget 1981's "Just Once". Great Ingram vocal, and that same "featuring" credit. Another person who was short changed on two hits was Joe Pizzulo, who should have gotten at least duet credit with Leza Miller on Sergio Mendes's "Never Gonna Let You Go" and a year later with, "Alibis". Ingram was short changed again, to a point, by Q again in 1990 with "The Secret Garden". James has to be the most prolific "one hit wonder" in pop history  . And I concur that Ingram has an amazing voice. |
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Aug 7, 2013 6:21:26 GMT -5
Does 1987's "Facts of Love" by Jeff Lorber have the "featuring Karyn White" included in the credit? The only other one I can think of who might be bigger (and it may be after AT40 ended) is L.V., who was featured on Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise" but never had his own Top 40 hit. Yes, the original run of AT40 had been off the air for about 7 or 8 months when "Gangsta's Paradise" was on the top 40. Funny thing is, it was a top ten hit on Rick Dees' Weekly Top 40, but not on Casey's Top 40. One would think both Rick Dees' WT40 and CT40 shared the same chart, but by that time, I guess not. Seemed like Rick Dees was using a different chart formulation than CT40 by the mid-90s and remained that way by the time AT40 launched its second run. |
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Post by woolebull on Aug 7, 2013 8:06:52 GMT -5
Does 1987's "Facts of Love" by Jeff Lorber have the "featuring Karyn White" included in the credit? The only other one I can think of who might be bigger (and it may be after AT40 ended) is L.V., who was featured on Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise" but never had his own Top 40 hit. Yes, the original run of AT40 had been off the air for about 7 or 8 months when "Gangsta's Paradise" was on the top 40. Funny thing is, it was a top ten hit on Rick Dees' Weekly Top 40, but not on Casey's Top 40. One would think both Rick Dees' WT40 and CT40 shared the same chart, but by that time, I guess not. Seemed like Rick Dees was using a different chart formulation than CT40 by the mid-90s and remained that way by the time AT40 launched its second run. I've always heard that Dees went to a different chart in the mid-90's, but maybe they just manipulated some of the R and R positions?!?! Because it seemed at the time that Dees and CT were still pretty much alike. For example, didn't Dionne Farris stay nine weeks at position 1 on both shows, only to be supplanted by Blessid Union of Souls? |
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Post by tpanther775 on Aug 7, 2013 9:19:31 GMT -5
Don't forget 1981's "Just Once". Great Ingram vocal, and that same "featuring" credit. Another person who was short changed on two hits was Joe Pizzulo, who should have gotten at least duet credit with Leza Miller on Sergio Mendes's "Never Gonna Let You Go" and a year later with, "Alibis". Ingram was short changed again, to a point, by Q again in 1990 with "The Secret Garden". James has to be the most prolific "one hit wonder" in pop history . And I concur that Ingram has an amazing voice. "What About Me" with Kim Carnes and Kenny Rogers was another one James Ingram had a hit with. Although that song is forgotten for the most part at least on radio. Mga your right "Just Once". That was a great song. Woolebull, your right about Joe Pizzulo. If it wasn't for him, Sergio wouldn't have had those two hits back in 1983 and 1984. Always liked "Alibis". That song never gets any airplay anymore. Last time I heard that on the radio was back in mid 1990's on a AC station in Raleigh/Durham area. |
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Post by freakyflybry on Aug 7, 2013 9:27:12 GMT -5
Does 1987's "Facts of Love" by Jeff Lorber have the "featuring Karyn White" included in the credit? Yes, the original run of AT40 had been off the air for about 7 or 8 months when "Gangsta's Paradise" was on the top 40. Funny thing is, it was a top ten hit on Rick Dees' Weekly Top 40, but not on Casey's Top 40. One would think both Rick Dees' WT40 and CT40 shared the same chart, but by that time, I guess not. Seemed like Rick Dees was using a different chart formulation than CT40 by the mid-90s and remained that way by the time AT40 launched its second run. I've always heard that Dees went to a different chart in the mid-90's, but maybe they just manipulated some of the R and R positions?!?! Because it seemed at the time that Dees and CT were still pretty much alike. For example, didn't Dionne Farris stay nine weeks at position 1 on both shows, only to be supplanted by Blessid Union of Souls? For the most part, they had the same chart until June 1995 (though in the summer of 1994, Rick often switched positions in the top 5; for example, "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" and "Wild Night" were both #1 on Dees); then Rick switched charts and used a more rhythmic-leaning chart until July 1997. |
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Post by woolebull on Aug 7, 2013 10:22:47 GMT -5
I've always heard that Dees went to a different chart in the mid-90's, but maybe they just manipulated some of the R and R positions?!?! Because it seemed at the time that Dees and CT were still pretty much alike. For example, didn't Dionne Farris stay nine weeks at position 1 on both shows, only to be supplanted by Blessid Union of Souls? For the most part, they had the same chart until June 1995 (though in the summer of 1994, Rick often switched positions in the top 5; for example, "Can You Feel The Love Tonight" and "Wild Night" were both #1 on Dees); then Rick switched charts and used a more rhythmic-leaning chart until July 1997. I wonder what chart he did use. By the way, is there a R and R AC chart from 1995 somewhere? I wanted to check something about Blessid's, "I Believe". I could have sworn that it spent like 8 or 9 weeks itself on top of Rick Dees AC chart in '95...I just wanted to know if my memory is correct on that. Of course, he might have been using a different chart for AC as well, though I could see why he wouldn't. |
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Post by woolebull on Aug 7, 2013 10:33:11 GMT -5
Woolebull, your right about Joe Pizzulo. If it wasn't for him, Sergio wouldn't have had those two hits back in 1983 and 1984. Always liked "Alibis". That song never gets any airplay anymore. Last time I heard that on the radio was back in mid 1990's on a AC station in Raleigh/Durham area. In another thread, I mentioned how Daft Punk had one of the biggest lapses in time between their first and second Top 40 hits. What I failed to bring up is that any time you have a composer of music, it is easier to fit into the next era of music (Santana, Sergio, and Daft Punk come to mind) than say someone who sings from another era. What I like about singles now is that, unlike in the time of 1983 or so when people like Joe Pizzulo got no credit at all for a song, Pharrell gets credit for, "Get Lucky". If it wasn't for Pharrell (and Nile Rodgers of course) that song is not nearly as popular. And I love, "Alabis", tpanther...I'm sure you heard it on Mix 101.5  |
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Post by Michael on Aug 7, 2013 10:34:14 GMT -5
How was "Diamonds" credited? For the longest time I always thought it was a Janet Jackson solo hit. But later in life I always saw it as Herb Albert featuring Janet Jackson.
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Post by woolebull on Aug 7, 2013 10:37:58 GMT -5
How was "Diamonds" credited? For the longest time I always thought it was a Janet Jackson solo hit. But later in life I always saw it as Herb Albert featuring Janet Jackson. Janet got the Sergio treatment on "Diamonds". Full credit goes to Herb Alpert. Not even a "feature". |
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. And I concur that Ingram has an amazing voice. 
