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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 6:11:35 GMT -5
Listening to this now as part of my 3 show Memorial Day marathon special. Can someone please explain how the song that finished #2 for the entire decade of the 70s, "Bridge Over Troubled Water" was #15 on this show and ranking behind other songs from the 70s that it was in front of by the end of the decade? The only song in front of it then hadn't even been recorded yet.
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Post by at40petebattistini on May 27, 2013 6:58:42 GMT -5
I believe one thing is clear about both regular weekly charts and special tabulations -- a variety of factors were often used to determine rankings. And the weight used for each of those factors over the years often contradicted each other.
Add in the subjective interpretation of different statisticians (and other staff) and you have further reason to question the validity of rankings, side by side.
I find the best way to enjoy listening to the special countdowns is to just accept each as individually authoratative -- a "this is our best effort here and now" production. Not sure if that makes sense but...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 7:01:53 GMT -5
I'm going to be like a congressman who gets his underwear in a bunch over something. I'm officially here and now filing a protest over this show.
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Post by dukelightning on May 27, 2013 7:33:26 GMT -5
That and the top 40 newcomers of the 80s special for me. To not include artists like Sheena Easton, Pat Benatar, Bryan Adams and John Mellancamp is still a major oversight IMO. (Yes I know the reasons for the last 3 artists and that reason is splitting hairs to the nth degree).
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 8:37:14 GMT -5
Other than the year end shows I was never a big listener to or enjoyed "special" countdowns. I think I know why now and am going back to special show blackout after I finish the CT40 Summer Hits of the 80s show I'm listening to now. The Book of Records shows were good. I liked them. The others? Forget it!
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Post by mkarns on May 27, 2013 8:44:59 GMT -5
Other than the year end shows I was never a big listener to or enjoyed "special" countdowns. I think I know why now and am going back to special show blackout after I finish the CT40 Summer Hits of the 80s show I'm listening to now. The Book of Records shows were good. I liked them. The others? Forget it! Even the year end shows had some questionable rankings, especially in the 1970s, though that was largely due to chart calculations and methodology. Of special countdowns I've heard, I liked the Beatles and Christmas countdowns. I'd like to hear Disappearing Acts, the Books of Records (one Casey and one Shadoe, the Shadoe one I think I heard when it was first on), the Bicentennial countdown (#1's for July 4, 1937-76) and AT40 Goes to the Movies, but I'm not holding my breath for Premiere to air any of them. The rest I can take or leave. EDIT: Another "special" show I enjoyed was Casey's August 1972 experiment at a national album countdown. SXM has played that one; Premiere could plausibly do so as well. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 8:48:51 GMT -5
I can't imagine you'll hear them. I guess I could feasibly see the Disappearing show and the Book of Records show done in 80 I believe. But I almost think they'd have to do them as a B show offering for stations that play music older than the 70s. An 80s station certainly won't air them. And honestly I have never heard the disappearing act show nor do I plan to after today so it could have a lot of obscure stuff in it which would dq that one.
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Post by at40petebattistini on May 27, 2013 8:57:01 GMT -5
I have to admit disappointment with both Disappearing Acts specials. I believe those shows, with an accent on 50s and early 60s artists, were great memory pieces for Casey and Don -- and older listeners. But at least one artist, The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, who recorded "Fire", a #2 single in 1968, was missing. Not even an honorable mention. No pun intended, but that oversight burns me up!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2013 8:58:21 GMT -5
I have to admit disappointment with both Disappearing Acts specials. I believe those shows, with an accent on 50s and early 60s artists, were great memory pieces for Casey and Don -- and older listeners. But at least one artist, The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, who recorded "Fire", a #2 single in 1968, was missing. Not even an honorable mention. No pun intended, but that oversight burns me up! So probably not going to be rerun on these stations if a lot of 50s music and all is on it. |
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Post by pointpark04 on May 27, 2013 9:25:02 GMT -5
I remember detesting special shows when I was a kid in the 1980s. I just wanted to hear the regular countdown. I felt cheated out of a week of chart action.
I recorded the Beatles special this weekend, but am really not interested in any of the others. With the exception of year-end specials, that is. Even those made me feel like I was missing out on chart action, but I excused it because it was a countdown of the prior year's hits.
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on May 28, 2013 0:12:56 GMT -5
I think for this list they used the same tabulations that they used for their year-ending shows at the time because it looks like the rankings are almost the same as the chart.
2670 Hey Jude - The Beatles
2197 Sugar Sugar - The Archies
2194 Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head - B.J. Thomas
2130 The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face - Roberta Flack
2105 Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In - The 5th Dimension
2102 Alone Again (Naturally) - Gilbert O'Sullivan
2100 Joy To The World - Three Dog Night
2091 I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye
2053 Maggie May/Reason To Believe - Rod Stewart
2021 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat And His Orchestra
1979 American Pie - Don McLean
1970 I'll Be There - The Jackson Five
1950 It's Too Late/I Feel The Earth Move - Carole King
1911 I Think I Love You - The Partridge Family
1888 Bridge Over Troubled Water - Simon & Garfunkel
1888 I Can See Clearly Now - Johnny Nash
1865 (They Long To Be) Close To You - The Carpenters
1851 Everyday People - Sly & The Family Stone
1827 Without You - Nilsson
1814 Knock Three Times - Dawn
1811 Honey - Bobby Goldsboro
1793 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding
1744 People Got To Be Free - The Rascals
1731 Honky Tonk Women - The Rolling Stones
1723 The Candy Man - Sammy Davis Jr.
1721 In The Year 2525 (Exordium & Terminus) - Zager & Evans
1716 Brand New Key - Melanie
1714 One Bad Apple - The Osmonds
1698 How Can You Mend A Broken Heart - The Bee Gees
1690 Lean On Me - Bill Withers
1668 Baby Don't Get Hooked On Me - Mac Davis
1666 Indian Reservation - The Raiders
1653 Dizzy - Tommy Roe
1652 My Sweet Lord - George Harrison
1646 Love Child - Diana Ross & The Supremes
1639 Something - The Beatles
1638 Come Together - The Beatles
1635 I Can't Get Next To You - The Temptations
1633 Me And Mrs. Jones - Billy Paul
Of course there are some discrepancies. I may need to double-check on this when I get home from work Tomorrow.
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Post by vince on May 28, 2013 2:35:44 GMT -5
The methodology for AT40’s Special from 1973, “The Top 40 of the Last 5 Years (1968 – 1973)”, was a commonly used inverse point system, with number one bonus points, that was used on some, but not all specials in the 1970’s. It was also used for the Top 40 Beatle Era Hits from 1976, the 1979 Top 40 Disco Songs (with subjectivity as to what records were included), and the year end countdowns for 1972, 1973 & 1977. The 1973 special does for the most part mathematically add up, unlike the “Top 50 of the 70’s”. AT40 Likely did not use this methodology for the “Top 50 of the 70’s” because the hits from the later part of the decade would have dominated the list.
Here is what I got for the Top 40 of 1968 – 1973. It is not an exact match, but very close to AT40’s countdown and what Jdelachjr2002 posted. I included two songs that AT40 didn’t have in their ranking, “Sunshine Of Your Love” and “I Want You Back”, based on their point totals.
2670 1 HEY JUDE The Beatles
2197 2 SUGAR, SUGAR The Archies
2194 3 RAIN DROPS KEEP FALLING ON MY HEAD B.J. Thomas
2130 4 THE FIRST TIME EVER I SAW YOUR FACE Roberta Flack
2105 5 AQUARIUS/ LET THE SUN SHINE IN The 5th Dimension
2102 6 ALONE AGAIN (Naturally) Gilbert O'Sullivan
2100 7 JOY TO THE WORLD Three Dog Night
2091 8 I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE Marvin Gaye
2053 9 MAGGIE MAY Rod Stewart
2024 10 AMERICAN PIE Don McLean
1970 11 I'LL BE THERE Jackson 5
1955 12 LOVE IS BLUE Paul Mauriat
1950 13 IT'S TOO LATE Carol King
1911 14 I THINK I LOVE YOU Partridge Family
1888 15 BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER Simon & Garfunkel
1888 16 I CAN SEE CLEARLY Johnny Nash
1865 17 (They Long To Be) CLOSE TO YOU The Carpenters
1851 18 EVERYDAY PEOPLE Sly & the Family Stone
1827 19 WITHOUT YOU Nilsson
1814 20 KNOCK THREE TIMES Dawn
1811 21 HONEY Bobby Goldsboro
1792 22 CANDY MAN Sammy Davis Jr.
1783 23 (Sitting On) THE DOCK OF THE BAY Otis Redding
1744 24 PEOPLE GOT TO BE FREE The Rascals
1731 25 HONKY TONK WOMEN The Rolling Stones
1728 26 IN THE YEAR 2525 Zager & Evans
1716 27 BRAND NEW KEY Melanie
1714 28 ONE BAD APPLE The Osmonds
1696 29 HOW CAN YOU MEND A BROKEN HEART The Bee Gees
1690 30 LEAN ON ME Bill Withers
1668 31 BABY DON'T GE HOOKED ON ME Mac Davis
1666 32 INDIAN RESERVATION Paul Revere & the Raiders
1653 33 DIZZY Tommy Roe
1652 34 MY SWEET LORD George Harrison
1646 35 LOVE CHILD Diana Ross & the Supremes
1635 36 I CAN'T GET NEXT TO YOU The Temptation
1633 37 ME AND MRS. JONES Billy Paul
1632 38 SUNSHINE OF YOUR LOVE Cream
1630 39 GET BACK The Beatles with Billy Preston
1630 40 I WANT YOU BACK The Jackson Five
1612 41 THIS GUY'S IN LOVE WITH YOU Herb Alpert
1608 42 AMERICAN WOMAN The Guess Who
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