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Post by dukelightning on Jan 4, 2013 11:50:33 GMT -5
They aren't gonna go if the Rays win the next 7 world series titles in a row! I'm not sure I agree with that, but differing opinions are what makes the world go around. Well, that and inertia. What I *do* know is the stadium ain't got nothing to do with people's decisions. Hmmm....Florida's other MLB team got their new stadium in their 20th season. So I guess in 2017, your Rays will get their new stadium. BTW, you need 2 championships to catch up to the Marlins in that category. Incidentally the Rays top farm team is here in Raleigh-Durham(specifically Durham). Strange that an organizations best stadium is at the AAA level. It is as old as the organization having been built in 1998 and designed by the same architect that designed Camden Yards in Baltimore. Ok, enough on that. Now back to the countdown............
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 12:18:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree with that, but differing opinions are what makes the world go around. Well, that and inertia. What I *do* know is the stadium ain't got nothing to do with people's decisions. Hmmm....Florida's other MLB team got their new stadium in their 20th season. So I guess in 2017, your Rays will get their new stadium. BTW, you need 2 championships to catch up to the Marlins in that category. Incidentally the Rays top farm team is here in Raleigh-Durham(specifically Durham). Strange that an organizations best stadium is at the AAA level. It is as old as the organization having been built in 1998 and designed by the same architect that designed Camden Yards in Baltimore. Ok, enough on that. Now back to the countdown............ Yes and look at those fantastic sell outs the Marlins had all year...oh that's right, they didn't have many. I do not understand everything about Tropicana Field. I know it was built in 1990 to lure a baseball team there. But everything had changed so much that by 1998 it was already outdated in terms of luxury boxes and all. I know when I sit in there I shake my head wondering how this was ever considered a good idea for a baseball stadium in 1990, 1980, or 1880! Catwalks?? Bleachers near the top when there's seats everywhere else?! Sorry for my tangent. Done now....maybe.
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Post by woolebull on Jan 4, 2013 14:14:26 GMT -5
Florida on Florida baseball crime...this is good stuff!
And Dukedeb, I hope you realize my screen name is homage to the mascot of the Durham Bulls...it's been my "computer name" since I was at Duke in the late 90's...when the Bulls outdrew the Rays!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 14:47:18 GMT -5
Lol!! High school baseball teams in Tampa outdraw the Rays!
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Post by woolebull on Jan 4, 2013 18:40:42 GMT -5
^ True statement!
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Post by shadster on Jan 5, 2013 9:38:47 GMT -5
Back to the topic, this is exactly why Runaround hung around. A big reason for all the slowdowns from 1994 - 1997 was that the number of top 40 stations had diminished extraordinarily. The once powerful format had been overtaken by perceived uncool AC acts like Michael Bolton, Amy Grant and Celine Dion, and could not compete with the harder sounds of contemporary hip-hop and grunge rock. As a consequence, many of the top 40 stations turned into Hot AC clones (Adult Top 40) to compete, refusing to play pure pop acts or even marginal r&b. Thus, the limited hits they had in rotation (like Blues Traveller and Counting Crows) they REALLY played to death. This was justified by new monitored airplay charts which for the first time spotlighted how long other stations REALLY played recurrent and aging songs. This was also the first era of PDs doing dramatic (scientific) research on songs, and learning that the more familiar with songs a listener is, the more loyal they will be with the station. It changed programming strategies forever. It also co-oincided with labels haphazardly releasing commercial singles to stores, thus blurring the traditional rhythm of single releases. Whereas 5 years before, a hit album might have 5 singles in one year, (Paula Abdul), now they were lucky to push out three (Celine Dion). Only in 1997, when pop music was fully re-embraced by Top 40 and ratings started reflecting that, did the Top 40 *start* to speed up (a bit)... I myself didn't get sick of the song as it wasnt played as much here in DC (at least that I recall). We didnt have a Top40 station in 1995, just a few HotAC outlets which I think played the song but not as often as a "power rotation" would at a CHR outlet. Once a month, I would drive down to Richmond (100 miles south) to catch Caseys Top 40 just to keep up-to-date on the Top 40 (the nearest Dees' affiliate was even further away) and I did find it curious why the song hung around so long but I kinda liked the song anyway. Checking my personal charts, it entered in May, shot up to #5, spent a couple weeks there, and started dropping down, eventually landing at #30 in Oct, but I kept it at #30 until early 1996 *shrug*
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Post by woolebull on Jan 5, 2013 9:56:06 GMT -5
In 1995, I think the closest outlets besides the Richmond station for you, Virginia wise, Rick Dees would have been Q101 in Harrisonburg which played the Hot AC version. The regular version of Dees and CT 40 could be heard in Roanoke on K92. I know this because I would drive Sunday night back to college and get frustrated hearing two different Dees countdowns not knowing at the time what on earth they were doing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 12:39:27 GMT -5
Well if you had known me then I could have filled you in. By may 1994 I was buying Billboard magazine at the newsstand the Friday before AT40/ACCs airing of it....was cool to look at the chart and follow along. Anyway I'll never forget the week I saw the headline "Stevens a Shadow as ABC crowns Dees Top 40 King." That was the article about at40 ceasing domestic distribution and ABC distributing Dees's show. In the article it talked about the soon to debut HAC edition.
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Post by woolebull on Jan 5, 2013 13:09:18 GMT -5
That time was a time I didn't religiously follow the charts, but I knew that something was up when I heard "House of Love" by Amy Grant and Vince Gill and Rick was counting it at some high number that I knew could not be right for the regular top 40. But I could be listening to Rick driving through Roanoke and hear a song at one number and then an hour and a half later listen to Rick driving through Harrisonburg and hear the same song at a different number. The problem was that Rick didn't distinguish between the two shows...not that I can remember.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 17:05:25 GMT -5
He doesn't now nor does Ryan. In those markets it's supposed to be the only version of it airing so to those listeners it IS the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 and American Top 40 respectively that they've always heard, listened to, and the lineage is followed from.
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Post by shadster on Jan 6, 2013 9:49:45 GMT -5
When I did listen to Dee's HAC show, back then, the part I remember is he didnt really identify any song number posistion for the 1st half of the show. So to me, it was somewhat easier to ID the HAC show and yea I do remember it being on Q101. Hot 99.5 DC also aired Dee's HAC show back then too, of course they were Jammin 99.5 back then. I did get Ricks year end countdown that year (1995). For some reason, even though Jammin 99.5 aired the HAC version every weekend, they aired the CHR version year ender. And yes I know the difference between the CHR/HAC yr end show of '95 was about 5-6 songs an 99.5 definitly aired the CHR version. Up until the begining of 1995, we had Z104 in Frederick MD and they aired Rick Dee's, and even picked up Casey's top40 in 1994, in addition to having the "Top 30 Hitlist". So as you can see, 1995 was when the top40 became grey for me, an subsequently Blues Traveler's slow crawl thru the 40. I did know that CT40 was on K92, I remember forcing my gf to tape the show for me begining in 1996 (she was @va Tech). I didn't know they had Rick Dees though. At least w/ Q94, you could start listening to their 200,000 watt signal from Fredricksburg. I think Rick Dee's was still heard in Hampton Roads, Z104, before they became the "757 party station". Top 40 left Baltimore in 1990 and DC in 1992, still had Z104 in Fredrick but they didn't pick up CT40 till 1994. In 1992 CT40 was on 96.7 WQCM in Hagerstown, a rock station no less, but they dumped it in 1993. Then I was able to hear CT40 off WCEM Mix 106.3 Easton MD, which would "sometimes" come in here in the DC area, untill Z104 grabbed it in 1994. Once Z104 went defunct in 1995 (only to be later resurrected in the summer of 1996), Casey was no more listenable anywhere in the DC area, at least in terms of the Top 40. AT-20 of course was heard on a couple stations (WINC, WBQB).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 12:35:13 GMT -5
When I first heard Dees's HAC show in 2004 it was a top 30. It took 2 hours to get to #20 because he filled it with tons of extras. I think sometime late in 04 they finally did start doing a full top 40 on that show.
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Post by mkarns on Jan 6, 2013 15:38:29 GMT -5
Top 40 left Baltimore in 1990 and DC in 1992, still had Z104 in Fredrick but they didn't pick up CT40 till 1994. In 1992 CT40 was on 96.7 WQCM in Hagerstown, a rock station no less, but they dumped it in 1993. Then I was able to hear CT40 off WCEM Mix 106.3 Easton MD, which would "sometimes" come in here in the DC area, untill Z104 grabbed it in 1994. Once Z104 went defunct in 1995 (only to be later resurrected in the summer of 1996), Casey was no more listenable anywhere in the DC area, at least in terms of the Top 40. AT-20 of course was heard on a couple stations (WINC, WBQB). Do you remember what, if any, top 40 countdowns were played in the DC area from 1996-2003? I seem to remember Rick Dees being on Hot 99.5 (WIHT) early on (that station has been in operation since 2001), but I'm not sure; maybe I'm thinking of some other station. I do know that WIHT has played AT40 since Ryan took over (nine years ago this week); now they play it twice each weekend. That plus On-Air makes for a daily dose of Seacrest without exception.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 17:57:40 GMT -5
Lol!! High school baseball teams in Tampa outdraw the Rays! Non music related but proving my point: it came out today that the Rays have a whopping 300 season ticket holders in St Petersburg where they are located. There is no missing zero or two in that number. Three HUNDRED season ticket holders!
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Post by Ponderous Man on Jan 30, 2013 7:49:13 GMT -5
Lol!! High school baseball teams in Tampa outdraw the Rays! Non music related but proving my point: it came out today that the Rays have a whopping 300 season ticket holders in St Petersburg where they are located. There is no missing zero or two in that number. Three HUNDRED season ticket holders! I believe the average crowd for a Rays game is 310. Is this correct, Paul? ;D
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