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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 15:04:35 GMT -5
I don't think missing a regular countdown to celebrate the end of the year and decade would have caused to much angst. This wasn't one of those "Top 40 songs recorded on Tuesday following a thunderstorm" type specials. One of those weeks wouldn't have been missed because doesn't BB freeze for 1 chart? And if they wanted to be nice to radio stations to give them a weekly countdown instead if they didn't want to air that many look back countdowns, I'm sure Townsend Coleman could have helped out so Casey didn't have to do all the extra work. ;D
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Post by dukelightning on Oct 31, 2012 15:35:30 GMT -5
^ paul and briguy comments....I wonder if any thought was given once rebroadcasts started (2000?) by AT40 to have Casey record some shows that were never done such as the top 40/50 of the 80s, various historical weeks when there was a special or guest host and a few weeks from early 1970 and late 1988.
It's strange that AT40 was reluctant to record an end of decade special in 1989 because of the early 80s music while they were not reluctant to do that for the 70s. Surely the early 70s are just as different from the late 70s as the early 80s are from the late 80s for the top 40 format.
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Oct 31, 2012 15:39:25 GMT -5
Of course, a couple of us could work together on doing those missing countdowns. Of course we couldn't release them without proper permissions but we could have them for our personal uses. I have toyed with creating one or two for myself from shows I have and I'm sure others have done something similar as well Those posting here could be the creative consultants-especially Paul. Vince could be our statistician.
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Post by mkarns on Oct 31, 2012 15:39:30 GMT -5
^ paul and briguy comments....I wonder if any thought was given once rebroadcasts started (2000?) by AT40 to have Casey record some shows that were never done such as the top 40/50 of the 80s, various historical weeks when there was a special or guest host and a few weeks from early 1970 and late 1988. It's strange that AT40 was reluctant to record an end of decade special in 1989 because of the early 80s music while they were not reluctant to do that for the 70s. Surely the early 70s are just as different from the late 70s as the early 80s are from the late 80s for the top 40 format. There actually was a Casey's Top 40 decade-end countdown for the 1980s, using Radio & Records, so that makes it even odder that AT40 (with Shadoe) didn't do one, unless they really didn't want listeners to miss a regular weekly chart (R&R skipped two weeks at year end.) Even then, they could have done a regular show and a decade end. Was there a 1990s decade end AT40? I'm pretty sure there was, but didn't have access to AT40 at that time so I don't remember exactly. There was a 2000-09 decade end show.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 16:12:45 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to address two posts above, I guess it's 3 actually. The first is the one about recording missing countdowns or having Shadoe Stevens or someone else record them now. Why? The shows aren't going air. They do rebroadcasts, not let's record something now or in 2000. Plus, Casey was using Radio & Records by then and was doing so in 1989. There's no telling whether BB would have been ok with going back and using their charts to record something now or what it would have costs them now to do it with very little reward profit wise to do so.
As far as the 70s and why that was done when they refused to do the 80s. The radio landscape and radio show landscape was much different in 1979/1980 then it was in 1989/1990. At the end of the 70s stations may have been more open to the idea of playing older songs on an end of decade countdown show. There was also only 1 premiere countdown show then. There may have been others, I don't know. But there was only one main one.
By 1989, American Top 40 was in competition with two huge competitors, ironically both by their parent company's own stupidity, Rick Dees and the shows longtime host Casey Kasem. The decision was made to not do an decade end show probably in large part because they didn't want to anger radio stations who thought older songs would drive the audience away. Yes, Casey's Top 40 did one, but it aired the same weekend as the Top 40 of 89. Stations could choose which one to air or both. I had no idea there even was a Top 40 of the 80s show until I found this site 10 years ago. So, you can infer from that my local station I don't think aired this show. I also didn't know Casey's Top 40 did a lot of special countdowns in 89 and 90. Again, my station didn't air them. They aired the regular weekly show. I would guess WAPE wasn't unusual in that. The only special I ever heard apart from year-enders was the million sellers show which I think was probably the only one they even recorded for that week. And as part of their primary target demo back then, I was a tween going on teenager, I wouldn't want to hear the specials I would have rather heard the weekly countdown save for a year/decade ender.
I'm not saying I agree with their decisions of what to record then. I don't. I think those in charge at AT40 and ABC in that time were fools. But they did what they thought was best for profitability and viability. As much as we, some a whole lot more than others, want the shows to be about us, it's no different than any other business. They are about making money first and foremost. Their customers were radio stations, not us. We were the radio stations customers as we couldn't purchase AT40 or any other countdown ourselves. If radio stations wanted something or were presumed to want something, that's who AT40 served and that's who got their way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 16:13:32 GMT -5
^ paul and briguy comments....I wonder if any thought was given once rebroadcasts started (2000?) by AT40 to have Casey record some shows that were never done such as the top 40/50 of the 80s, various historical weeks when there was a special or guest host and a few weeks from early 1970 and late 1988. It's strange that AT40 was reluctant to record an end of decade special in 1989 because of the early 80s music while they were not reluctant to do that for the 70s. Surely the early 70s are just as different from the late 70s as the early 80s are from the late 80s for the top 40 format. There actually was a Casey's Top 40 decade-end countdown for the 1980s, using Radio & Records, so that makes it even odder that AT40 (with Shadoe) didn't do one, unless they really didn't want listeners to miss a regular weekly chart (R&R skipped two weeks at year end.) Even then, they could have done a regular show and a decade end. Was there a 1990s decade end AT40? I'm pretty sure there was, but didn't have access to AT40 at that time so I don't remember exactly. There was a 2000-09 decade end show. Yes, it aired New Years weekend IIRC.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2012 17:19:19 GMT -5
I just realized I would have the role as Creative Consultant. Yeah, that would go over real well.
My tease leading in to the last segment: "We're counting down now to the number one song of the 80's. It's the song those morons who ran American Top 40 in 1989 were so fearful of, they refused to a decade end special. Thus, because they couldn't figure out how to walk out a front door let alone run a countdown, here we are today. I'll jog in with all the details coming up!" Now imagine this for a whole top 100. I'm the Neal Boortz of counting show writing.
ps-you can replace morons with a much stronger term. I cleaned it up for this post.
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Post by briguy52748 on Oct 31, 2012 18:48:51 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to address two posts above, I guess it's 3 actually. The first is the one about recording missing countdowns or having Shadoe Stevens or someone else record them now. Why? The shows aren't going air. They do rebroadcasts, not let's record something now or in 2000. Plus, Casey was using Radio & Records by then and was doing so in 1989. There's no telling whether BB would have been ok with going back and using their charts to record something now or what it would have costs them now to do it with very little reward profit wise to do so. As far as the 70s and why that was done when they refused to do the 80s. The radio landscape and radio show landscape was much different in 1979/1980 then it was in 1989/1990. At the end of the 70s stations may have been more open to the idea of playing older songs on an end of decade countdown show. There was also only 1 premiere countdown show then. There may have been others, I don't know. But there was only one main one. By 1989, American Top 40 was in competition with two huge competitors, ironically both by their parent company's own stupidity, Rick Dees and the shows longtime host Casey Kasem. The decision was made to not do an decade end show probably in large part because they didn't want to anger radio stations who thought older songs would drive the audience away. Yes, Casey's Top 40 did one, but it aired the same weekend as the Top 40 of 89. Stations could choose which one to air or both. I had no idea there even was a Top 40 of the 80s show until I found this site 10 years ago. So, you can infer from that my local station I don't think aired this show. I also didn't know Casey's Top 40 did a lot of special countdowns in 89 and 90. Again, my station didn't air them. They aired the regular weekly show. I would guess WAPE wasn't unusual in that. The only special I ever heard apart from year-enders was the million sellers show which I think was probably the only one they even recorded for that week. And as part of their primary target demo back then, I was a tween going on teenager, I wouldn't want to hear the specials I would have rather heard the weekly countdown save for a year/decade ender. I'm not saying I agree with their decisions of what to record then. I don't. I think those in charge at AT40 and ABC in that time were fools. But they did what they thought was best for profitability and viability. As much as we, some a whole lot more than others, want the shows to be about us, it's no different than any other business. They are about making money first and foremost. Their customers were radio stations, not us. We were the radio stations customers as we couldn't purchase AT40 or any other countdown ourselves. If radio stations wanted something or were presumed to want something, that's who AT40 served and that's who got their way. Well, whatever the case is – there is such a thing as going back and making amends for something that wasn't done but should've been done. You can guess the rest of what I'm going to say. As far as Casey's Top 40 having two programs to air over New Year's Weekend 1989-1990, I don't know what your station did, but I'm also guessing there were a fair number of stations that aired BOTH programs. Despite the changes in radio that took place during the 1980s decade, I sense that many (not all) radio programmers that aired Casey's Top 40 saw no harm in airing a "decade retrospective" of the top hits of the decade in companion to the year-end 1989 countdown, and that enough people would tolerate some of the older songs on the show. For the record, as I look at the list from Casey's Top 40 "Top 40 #1s of the 80s," I'm see the following breakdown (and some brief commentary): • 1980: 4 songs. Included: Kenny Rogers' " Lady," the only country song on the list. Blondie's "Call Me" is the oldest song on the countdown. • 1981: 3 songs. Olivia Newton-John's "Physical" failed to make this list's top 40. "Waiting for a Girl Like You" by Foreigner gets its revenge. • 1982: 5 songs. The most from any one year, including a song that only got to No. 2 on Billboard – "Open Arms" by Journey (and was the No. 2 song of the entire decade). "Open Arms," plus "Rosanna" by Toto and "Don't Talk to Strangers" by Rick Sprignfield were among three non-Billboard No. 1s (all top 5's, BTW) were included. • 1983: 4 songs. Interestingly, Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" didn't make the top 40, although "Say, Say, Say" with Paul McCartney did. • 1984: 4 songs. Purple Rain contributed both of Prince's entries. • 1985: 4 songs. USA for Africa's "We Are the World" was among the titles. • 1986: 4 songs. The highest ranking song of the year – at No. 34 – was Dionne Warwick's "That's What Friends Are For" (yes, she did get help from some of her friends). • 1987: 4 songs. Included: the late Whitney Houston's "I Want to Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)." • 1988: 4 songs. George Michael had three straight No. 1 hits, including 2 this year. Only Madonna and George Michael had three entries. • 1989: 4 songs. Debbie Gibson, born in 1970, was the youngest artist on the survey. So, spread out evenly pretty much, with only two years not having four hits. Compare that to the AT40's "Top 40 Hits of the 1980s – So Far" (from July 1987): * 1980: 8 songs. As with Casey's Top 40, " Lady" by Kenny Rogers is the only country song. The oldest song is Captain and Tennille's "Do That To Me One More Time." Eight songs make this the most-represented year on the countdown. * 1981: 4 songs. The top 3 songs from the entire decade came from the three mega-songs: "Endless Love" by Lionel Richie and Diana Ross, "Bette Davis Eyes" by Kim Carnes and "Physical" by Olivia Newton-John. * 1982: 7 songs. Included: The only non-No. 1 hit, John Cougar Mellencamp's "Hurts So Good." * 1983: 6 songs. The top hit of the decade for Casey's Top 40 – "Every Breath You Take" by the Police ranked at No. 4 on AT40's 1987 special. * 1984: 6 songs. Diverse mix, from heavy metal (Van Halen) to soul (Tina Turner) to pop (Madonna). * 1985: 4 songs. Does not count the extra "We Are the World" by USA for Africa. * 1986: 3 songs. Other than 1987, the fewest songs from the decade come from this year. * 1987: 1 song. That song was Bon Jovi's "Livin' on a Prayer." Some songs carried over and were on both countdowns, but it's up to you what you think is more "representative." Personally, if I were choosing year-end progamming for Premiere (I'm not, so save it), I'd go with one of the yearly year-end countdowns (either 1981 or 1987), and then the next week air the AT40 "Top 40 Hits of the 1980s – So Far" special from July 4, 1987. Brian
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Post by Ponderous Man on Nov 2, 2012 6:58:18 GMT -5
I just realized I would have the role as Creative Consultant. Yeah, that would go over real well. My tease leading in to the last segment: "We're counting down now to the number one song of the 80's. It's the song those morons who ran American Top 40 in 1989 were so fearful of, they refused to a decade end special. Thus, because they couldn't figure out how to walk out a front door let alone run a countdown, here we are today. I'll jog in with all the details coming up!" Now imagine this for a whole top 100. I'm the Neal Boortz of counting show writing. ps-you can replace morons with a much stronger term. I cleaned it up for this post. Dude, I love that tease! I actually preferred the other term you used before you changed it. ;D BTW, who's Neal Boortz?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 9:18:20 GMT -5
The only political talk radio host I listen to. Comes on 8:30-noon out of WSB in Atlanta, 9-noon is syndicated nationwide.
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Post by Hervard on Nov 2, 2012 9:25:59 GMT -5
Well, whatever the case is – there is such a thing as going back and making amends for something that wasn't done but should've been done. You can guess the rest of what I'm going to say. As far as Casey's Top 40 having two programs to air over New Year's Weekend 1989-1990, I don't know what your station did, but I'm also guessing there were a fair number of stations that aired BOTH programs. Despite the changes in radio that took place during the 1980s decade, I sense that many (not all) radio programmers that aired Casey's Top 40 saw no harm in airing a "decade retrospective" of the top hits of the decade in companion to the year-end 1989 countdown, and that enough people would tolerate some of the older songs on the show. For the record, as I look at the list from Casey's Top 40 "Top 40 #1s of the 80s," I'm see the following breakdown (and some brief commentary): • 1980: 4 songs. Included: Kenny Rogers' " Lady," the only country song on the list. Blondie's "Call Me" is the oldest song on the countdown. • 1981: 3 songs. Olivia Newton-John's "Physical" failed to make this list's top 40. "Waiting for a Girl Like You" by Foreigner gets its revenge. • 1982: 5 songs. The most from any one year, including a song that only got to No. 2 on Billboard – "Open Arms" by Journey (and was the No. 2 song of the entire decade). "Open Arms," plus "Rosanna" by Toto and "Don't Talk to Strangers" by Rick Sprignfield were among three non-Billboard No. 1s (all top 5's, BTW) were included. • 1983: 4 songs. Interestingly, Michael Jackson's "Billie Jean" didn't make the top 40, although "Say, Say, Say" with Paul McCartney did. • 1984: 4 songs. Purple Rain contributed both of Prince's entries. • 1985: 4 songs. USA for Africa's "We Are the World" was among the titles. • 1986: 4 songs. The highest ranking song of the year – at No. 34 – was Dionne Warwick's "That's What Friends Are For" (yes, she did get help from some of her friends). • 1987: 4 songs. Included: the late Whitney Houston's "I Want to Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)." • 1988: 4 songs. George Michael had three straight No. 1 hits, including 2 this year. Only Madonna and George Michael had three entries. • 1989: 4 songs. Debbie Gibson, born in 1970, was the youngest artist on the survey. So, spread out evenly pretty much, with only two years not having four hits. Actually, one of those two 1982 hits, "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" by Hall & Oates, first hit #1 in 1981. Thus, it was most likely regarded as a 1981 song, since that's the year that it peaked. In that case, there were exactly four songs from each year.
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Post by briguy52748 on Nov 2, 2012 11:48:28 GMT -5
Actually, one of those two 1982 hits, "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" by Hall & Oates, first hit #1 in 1981. Thus, it was most likely regarded as a 1981 song, since that's the year that it peaked. In that case, there were exactly four songs from each year. You're referring to the Radio & Records chart, I presume, where "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)" maybe peaked in December 1981? (And thus, the show possibly regarding the song as from 1981 and not 1982?) Brian
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Nov 2, 2012 14:02:12 GMT -5
I Can't Go For That peaked at #1 on R&R on the last chart of 1981 (12-18-81) but carried over for six weeks at #1 into January 1982. AT40 and CT40 both counted the year that the song first peaked as the year of the song.
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Post by erik on Jan 8, 2013 19:57:14 GMT -5
In light of this weekend's Top 50 of the decade countdown, I'm bumping the poll I started a few months back.
For the record, I have already listened to the Top 50 of 1979, and it was excellent. My personal preference would have been a Top 100 of 1979 countdown. I like to hear more songs that maybe didn't chart as high over a countdown of all #1 hits.
Reviewing the playlist for the Top 50 of the '70s coming this weekend, I have no idea what formula they might have used to calculate this list. It has already been discussed in the '70s forum that it appears they used a weighted formula. My preference would have been a consistent formula for the entire decade even if certain years overshadow others. Now that I've expressed my opinion, I'll say that I have not yet heard the decade countdown yet. I plan to keep an open mind and will listen to this weekend's show. Perhaps my opinion will change.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 21:49:31 GMT -5
The Top 100 of 1979
Electric Light Orchestra - Don't Bring Me Down, a #4 hit single that went Gold was at #81 overall. Electric Light Orchestra - Shine a Little Love, a #8 hit single was at #71 overall.
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