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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 14:55:12 GMT -5
Why was this show done in 2 parts? I'd be assuming change in show direction but the following year it returned to being a 1 week 8 hour show.
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Post by Mike on Jan 3, 2012 15:28:18 GMT -5
Why was this show done in 2 parts? I'd be assuming change in show direction but the following year it returned to being a 1 week 8 hour show. Maybe it was just the way the calendar fell that year? They wouldn't have to consider Billboard taking a week off anymore, but the dates would've come down to 12/26 as the last week of 1992 and 1/2 as the first week of 1993. My guess is they didn't feel like having a weekly countdown for 12/26, despite having done so with Casey just five years ago (hey...we just heard that show not long ago! ) - and it seems even less likely that they'd have one for 1/2/93. For 1993/1994, in contrast, the last week of 1993 is 12/25, aka Christmas Day, so the next week is of course New Year's, 1/1/94. Maybe they didn't want to take a chance on stations not airing the first half of a two-part year-end show? Honestly, I'm taking a wild guess with all of this but this is the best I can think of.
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Post by matt on Jan 3, 2012 16:39:19 GMT -5
That is strange--I wonder if Shadoe was out one of those two weekends and they decided it was a good way to avoid doing the 8-hour top 100 and then having to use a guest host? If it was a calendar issue, the odd thing would be that Dec '92/Jan '93 as Mike says, would have been the same as Dec '87/Jan '88 - and they did the 8-hour top 100 all on 1/2/88. As long as there was a new Billboard chart (Radio Monitor I think?) for the week ending 12/26/92, they could have done a regular show that week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2012 17:10:33 GMT -5
I got the show today. Kind of sad this question has never come up before. I guess no ones station had the show at that time.
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Jan 3, 2012 18:28:05 GMT -5
CT40 had its two part 1992 year end on Dec 19 and Dec 26 while AT40 was Dec 26 and Jan 2, so AT40's decision was probably not influenced much by what CT40 was doing.
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Post by michaelcasselman on Jan 3, 2012 18:32:58 GMT -5
I have an old tape of the show... I clearly recorded the first half on 12/27/92, but my writing on the second half shows I recorded the first hour on 1/1/93 and the last three hours on 1/3/93. Without going to the Charis website, I wonder if the show was offered specifically to be broken up over the two weeks, or if there was on option to play it all in one shot.
Jeez. The more I think about it, the more I'm surprised I was able to tape (or capable of taping, depending on your POV) the show at 9AM (as it was played on Watertown's T93) on New Years morning to begin with. And only one hour (the earliest) of it, at that. Weird.
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Post by shadster on Jan 4, 2012 23:03:58 GMT -5
i think we can discount Shadoe as having a week off. they wold of record the whole top 100 in 1 week (or liklly 1-2 days) no matter if it was a 1 wk or 2 wk show. After all, talent only shows up to record their voice tracks, engineers insert the songs later. as for ct40, they were always a 2 week show, from year 1, with the top 40 of 89 an top 40 of the 80s
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Post by mkarns on Jan 4, 2012 23:19:05 GMT -5
i think we can discount Shadoe as having a week off. they wold of record the whole top 100 in 1 week (or liklly 1-2 days) no matter if it was a 1 wk or 2 wk show. After all, talent only shows up to record their voice tracks, engineers insert the songs later. as for ct40, they were always a 2 week show, from year 1, with the top 40 of 89 an top 40 of the 80s Radio and Records always took two weeks off from publication (presumably the chart was considered "frozen" with the same positions for three weeks), so for the 15 years Casey used it (1989-2003) it was easy to do a two week year end show (or a one week year end and one decade end show in 1989 and 1999) without listeners missing any new data.
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Post by matt on Jan 5, 2012 7:25:40 GMT -5
Of course, we might be all missing what may have been an obvious reason: ratings. Shadoe's ratings had dipped to where his AT40 shows may have become a distant 3rd behind Casey and Rick Dees at that point, and the suits at ABC were doing some more "dinking" with the show in order to squeeze whatever they could out of it. Maybe the thought was that a year-end special would incur higher ratings than a regular show, so why not try having two weeks worth of year-end specials?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 8:51:38 GMT -5
That's possible, but it still doesn't make sense why they went back to an 8 hour show the next year. Radio stations probably weren't thrilled by this time with an 8 hour one anyway, so to not do one in 92 and go back to one in 93? I'm surprised there wasnt such an ire raised demanding they not do it. Then again, maybe that's why Orlando flipped the middle finger at them and only played the last 4 hours.
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Post by Hervard on Jan 5, 2012 12:34:45 GMT -5
i think we can discount Shadoe as having a week off. they wold of record the whole top 100 in 1 week (or liklly 1-2 days) no matter if it was a 1 wk or 2 wk show. After all, talent only shows up to record their voice tracks, engineers insert the songs later. as for ct40, they were always a 2 week show, from year 1, with the top 40 of 89 an top 40 of the 80s Radio and Records always took two weeks off from publication (presumably the chart was considered "frozen" with the same positions for three weeks), so for the 15 years Casey used it (1989-2003) it was easy to do a two week year end show (or a one week year end and one decade end show in 1989 and 1999) without listeners missing any new data. Actually, for awhile there, R&R took only one week off over the holiday - one of those years being when Casey was using the R&R charts for his countdown. That was 1989/1990, although some stations used his Top 40 of the 1980s show on the weekend of January 6/7, so many people assumed that there were two weeks skipped (there was a regular weekly show for that weekend as well). My station aired both countdowns - the Top 40 of the 1980s on Christmas Day and the regular countdown the first weekend in January. I always thought that Casey only did a Top 40 of 1989 because of the fact that there was only a one-week break, but he probably would have done a Top 40 even if there was a two-week break (he did the same with the 1999/2000 break). As for countdowns that used R&R during the time there was only a one-week break (late 1985 through late 1989) some of them did a Top 40 of the year while others did a larger countdown over a period of two weeks and skipped one chart (usually the one that would have been used for the first week in January). Since both Rick Dees and John Leader (who hosted Countdown USA) did a Top 86 for the year 1986, as far as I know, no countdown show used the December 19 chart (which would have otherwise been used for the weekend of January 4). I had to piece that one together using the "last week" positions mentioned (only by Rick Dees - John Leader only mentioned the debut songs on January 10) and could only guess the droppers, which neither host mentioned.
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Post by matt on Jan 5, 2012 15:02:48 GMT -5
That's possible, but it still doesn't make sense why they went back to an 8 hour show the next year. Radio stations probably weren't thrilled by this time with an 8 hour one anyway, so to not do one in 92 and go back to one in 93? I'm surprised there wasnt such an ire raised demanding they not do it. Then again, maybe that's why Orlando flipped the middle finger at them and only played the last 4 hours. Maybe the attempt at getting better ratings out of a two-week version of the show didn't work so they went back to one 8-hour version? Guess that's what makes this one a rather interesting question...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 17:04:09 GMT -5
That's possible, but it still doesn't make sense why they went back to an 8 hour show the next year. Radio stations probably weren't thrilled by this time with an 8 hour one anyway, so to not do one in 92 and go back to one in 93? I'm surprised there wasnt such an ire raised demanding they not do it. Then again, maybe that's why Orlando flipped the middle finger at them and only played the last 4 hours. Maybe the attempt at getting better ratings out of a two-week version of the show didn't work so they went back to one 8-hour version? Guess that's what makes this one a rather interesting question... It just seems like "this didnt work real well, we are going back to 8 hours in 1 week" would work if it were Rick Dees or Casey Kasem. They had a large number of affiliates domestically and were listened to. With people tuning out of AT40 and most markets not even carrying it, I am surprised enough affiliates left didn't tell them to go to hell and pretty much force them to do a 2 parter from them on. They already were giving up ad time for 4 hours for a show few cared about, now 8 again AFTER dropping to a 2 part show the year before? It just seems really odd. Kind of like I cannot see the current AT40 ever going back to a Top 100 since it's now a Top 40 and affiliates got their wish. I cannot see them ever doing an 8 hour show thats advertised as being such again. Affiliates are not conditioned to it anymore and would raise hell. I am stating this domestically of course. Internationally the show was still huge and possibly could have had a 10 hour Top 100 of the year if they wanted and they would have carried it.
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Jan 6, 2012 7:35:32 GMT -5
Radio and Records always took two weeks off from publication (presumably the chart was considered "frozen" with the same positions for three weeks), so for the 15 years Casey used it (1989-2003) it was easy to do a two week year end show (or a one week year end and one decade end show in 1989 and 1999) without listeners missing any new data. Actually, for awhile there, R&R took only one week off over the holiday - one of those years being when Casey was using the R&R charts for his countdown. That was 1989/1990, although some stations used his Top 40 of the 1980s show on the weekend of January 6/7, so many people assumed that there were two weeks skipped (there was a regular weekly show for that weekend as well). My station aired both countdowns - the Top 40 of the 1980s on Christmas Day and the regular countdown the first weekend in January. I always thought that Casey only did a Top 40 of 1989 because of the fact that there was only a one-week break, but he probably would have done a Top 40 even if there was a two-week break (he did the same with the 1999/2000 break). As for countdowns that used R&R during the time there was only a one-week break (late 1985 through late 1989) some of them did a Top 40 of the year while others did a larger countdown over a period of two weeks and skipped one chart (usually the one that would have been used for the first week in January). Since both Rick Dees and John Leader (who hosted Countdown USA) did a Top 86 for the year 1986, as far as I know, no countdown show used the December 19 chart (which would have otherwise been used for the weekend of January 4). I had to piece that one together using the "last week" positions mentioned (only by Rick Dees - John Leader only mentioned the debut songs on January 10) and could only guess the droppers, which neither host mentioned. Wasn't 1/6/90 guest-hosted by Mark Elliot? That might be why some stations chose to run the top 40 of the 1980s show that week instead...to keep Casey's voice on the air. Mark was a GREAT guest host in my opinion, but why run a guest-host when you can have the regular host...with a special countdown, no less.
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Jan 6, 2012 7:37:24 GMT -5
That's possible, but it still doesn't make sense why they went back to an 8 hour show the next year. Radio stations probably weren't thrilled by this time with an 8 hour one anyway, so to not do one in 92 and go back to one in 93? I'm surprised there wasnt such an ire raised demanding they not do it. Then again, maybe that's why Orlando flipped the middle finger at them and only played the last 4 hours. I remember WPLJ in NYC got around the eight-hour issue by starting the 1993 year-end show at 4am.
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