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Post by secretman on Mar 26, 2014 11:07:28 GMT -5
On sunday KOKZ will be playing the show from March 31st 1984 instead of the 1988 show Thanks for the info!
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Post by briguy52748 on Mar 26, 2014 14:33:19 GMT -5
I don't exactly think anyone was saying the 80s show was going away. Maybe I didn't read close enough to see it. Regarding the 90s, as this decade wears on I'm reminded that by 2000 I had an 80s station in my home market. I know that as early as 1993 there was a block of time dedicated to 80s music every Friday night on a station in another market I was living in and continues to be on that station to this day. We are now 24 years out from 1990 and 14 years since the decade ended. While I can't speak for everyone I don't know of any station in Tampa where I live now, Bradenton/Sarasota where I am close enough to I can pick up those stations too, Orlando, the Space Coast, or Jacksonville that have any station dedicated to the 90s. I know they exist but do not seem to be in any great number. I also don't know of many 90s music time frames airing on many stations either. I'm beginning to think the 90s due to fragmentation during the decade and all may not have many stations nationwide and without it, there'd be no need for a show. I agree that I've not heard anything about the 1980s show "going away." (Same goes for the 1970s edition, for that matter.) I would imagine that, given that all we have to currently work from are the Casey Kasem-hosted episodes, the supply of not-yet-heard episodes will run out, but the neat thing is, when the already-run shows are replayed, chances are someone who has not yet heard the show will get to hear it … thus, it'll be new to him or her. Or, we get to hear that rarely-heard oldie or that favorite story from Casey again, etc. Along with – what I've suggested before – every No. 1 hit from 1970-1988 at least once during a calendar year, depending on how the shows are scheduled and sequenced. As far as the increasing number of reruns, for instance, I'll suggest that this year, we'll hear one of the first four available episodes of AT40 (from July 1970) – for people who haven't heard it, it's new, and for people who have heard it before and heard a favorite song from that show, it's great to listen to again. As far as the 1988-1989 timeframe and "Casey's Top 40: The 1990s," I can only guess. It's frequently been brought up – including me – that Shadoe Stevens-hosted shows are a possibility for at least the 1988 and 1989 episodes, and from there, depending on rights issues, availability and so forth, I'd have to think that at some point in the future, enough stations will show interest in a 1990s Kasem-hosted program that one will be commissioned. We already do have Rick Dees' "Weekly Top 40" episodes from the 1990s airing in a number of markets. Which, until Premiere answers how they're going to handle the late 1988-1989 time period, is currently the only "retro countdown" option available to stations for people wanting to hear Top 40 countdown episodes from August 13, 1988-Dec. 16, 1989 (the Dec. 23, 1989 episode is a decade-end episode) – the 1980s package of Rick Dees' "Weekly Top 40." As far as the fragmentation question goes, I can't speak for everyone, but I can say that in the Quad-Cities market, KMXG-FM's "Retro Saturday" block includes two programs with 1990s music: "Retro Pop Reunion with Joe Cortese" (airing music from 1980-1999) and Kid Kelly's "Backtraxx USA: The 1990s." It's been going for two years – since the entire weekend is classic hits-formatted, with music from 1970-1999 (with 1970s on Sundays) – so it's apparently working. Brian BTW – As far as that comment about hearing one of the very earliest AT40s again, I'm sure that Premiere has either the first episode – or perhaps even a "test run"/"sample show" episode (i.e., something that went to potential affiliates before AT40 officially premiered) – ready to go when Kasem does pass on. Relevant to this thread, perhaps his last episode (from Aug. 6, 1988) is also in the queue when the time comes to remember Kasem.
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Post by bobbo428 on Mar 26, 2014 14:56:08 GMT -5
By the 90s, A/C wasn't producing many of their own stars anymore and instead were cherry picking hits from other formats so if there ever is a 90s revival, I could see it being heavily A/C leaning. Otherwise on true oldies stations I think the 90s will be heavily supplemented with 1976-1986 stuff. What amazes me is that some of the biggest 90s artists (ie Garth Brooks) barely sniffed the pop charts. So how could stations justify playing Friends In Low Places now? Pop radio really dropped the ball in the late-'80s/early-'90s when it ignored country music, even with Garth Brooks having the #1 pop album for months at a time. I began listening to a little country music around 1991 and became a regular listener by 1994. Pop wasn't really doing it for me by then, and AC had a limited source of new songs by then. I wish I had become a country fan in the late 1980s, but I was still a little young--but too old for pop. The lack of good music was a probable reason why I stopped doing my personal song chart for nearly four years. Pop radio missed out on a lot of potentially good crossover hits 25 years ago, while supplying a plethora of humdrum power ballads by dance acts and hair metal bands. I would often be pulling my hair out looking for good songs to tape off the radio during that time.
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Post by seminolefan on Mar 27, 2014 11:16:25 GMT -5
Prediction for next week's show: April 4, 1987 Back-up: April 5, 1980
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Post by artsmusic on Mar 27, 2014 12:42:31 GMT -5
To me, the lack of big 90s artists on the charts is all methodology not changing fast enough to reflect reality.
Billboard only dropped the "commercial single" requirement in 1998, so as we've discussed before ton of songs that were airplay only hits weren't allowed to sniff the chart. By the time Billboard changed that methodology in 1998, the big country wave of the early 90s had subsided.
There have always been full album/no single hit phenomenons like Garth (First Family, Bob Newhart, Zeppelin, Grateful Dead) where the albums sold a ton but there was no equivalent Hot 100 action.
Capitol like many companies thought that single sales took away from CD sales, and their artists' chart records reflected that decision.
The decision to program current radio reflects the viability of the song to being programmed NOW, which is why you continue to hear "Don't Stop Believin", "Drift Away", etc. over others like "You Light Up My Life" and "Physical" that were far more significant chart hits. A lot of Garth's young-end audience is now in midlife, and the song holds up to repeat play, regardless of chart history.
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Post by pointpark04 on Mar 27, 2014 14:03:02 GMT -5
Looking back, I think you can say that the 1990s fell victim to a democratization of music vis-a-vis radio. Whereas in the 1980s you could hear songs by country, rap, mainstream rock, heavy metal, pop, classic rock, and other genres on the same radio station, the same couldn't be said about the 90s. I was - and still am - a huge fan of most of those genres and artists from the 80s.
Each genre seemed to spawn its own niche stations in the 90s, even though by then most stations were controlled by fewer and fewer networks. (Clear Channel automatically comes to mind.) It's almost as if these networks wanted to divide us by the type of music we preferred the most. It wasn't so much as giving the listener what they wanted as it was telling the listener what they wanted.
Sure, 90s countdowns offered a huge swing between genres from one song to another, but take a look at many charts from the 80s and tell me how it was any different from then.
Just the top 1o from 3/26/83 offers a variety of genres:
10: TWILIGHT ZONE - GOLDEN EARRING (classic rock) 9: ONE ON ONE - DARYL HALL & JOHN OATES (pop/blue-eyed soul) 8: SEPARATE WAYS - JOURNEY (classic rock) 7: MR. ROBOTO - STYX (classic rock) 6: WE'VE GOT TONITE - KENNY ROGERS & SHEENA EASTON (country) 5: BACK ON THE CHAIN GANG - THE PRETENDERS (mainstream rock) 4: YOU ARE - LIONEL RICHIE (soul/r&b/pop) 3: HUNGRY LIKE THE WOLF - DURAN DURAN (new wave) 2: DO YOU REALLY WANT TO HURT ME - CULTURE CLUB (new wave) 1: BILLIE JEAN - MICHAEL JACKSON (pure pop delight)
Artsmusic made a great point about charts not reflecting reality, in that they didn't allow for NON-singles to make the Hot 100. There are many instances of this in the 1990s.
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Post by briguy52748 on Mar 27, 2014 17:04:59 GMT -5
One thing I've yet to see about this talk about lack of quality music (which in reality is up to the ear of the listener) and fragmentation is … had top 40 radio remained a catch-all – classic rock, blue-eyed soul, rock, new wave, R&B, straight-ahead pop, mainstream rock and country – how well would some of those songs done on such a radio station.
That is to say, let's look at a couple of specific months in the 1990s – November 1991 and January 1998. The No. 1s on the major charts during those months:
November 1991 • R&B: "Emotions" by Mariah Carey (already No. 1 on the Hot 100); "Forever My Lady" by Jodeci; "Tender Kisses" by Tracie Spencer; and "Are You Lonely For Me" by the Rude Boys. • Country: "Anymore" by Travis Tritt; "Someday" by Alan Jackson; "Shameless" by Garth Brooks; and "Forever Together" by Randy Travis. • Hot 100: "Romantic" by Karyn White; "Cream" by Prince; "When a Man Loves a Woman" by Michael Bolton. • Hot 100 Airplay: "Emotions" by Mariah Carey; and "When a Man Loves a Woman" by Michael Bolton. • Dance: "Finally" by CeCe thingyton; "The Pressure" (Part 1) by Sounds of Blackness; and "Move Any Mountain (Progen 91)" by The Shamen. • Adult Contemporary: "When a Man Loves a Woman" by Michael Bolton; and "That's What Love is For" by Amy Grant.
January 1998 • R&B: "A Song for Mama" by Boyz II Men; "My Body" by LSG; and "Nice and Slow" by Usher. • Country: "Longneck Bottle" by Garth Brooks; "A Broken Wing" by Martina McBride; "Just to See You Smile" by Tim McGraw. • Hot 100: "Something About the Way You Look Tonight" by Elton John; "Together Again" by Janet Jackson; and "Truly Madly Deeply" by Savage Garden. • Hot 100 Airplay: "Tubthumping" by Chumbawamba; and "My Heart Will Go On" by Celine Dion. • Dance: "Never Gonna Fall" by Lisa Stansfield; "Much Better" by Club 69 f. Suzanne Palmer; "Perfect Love" by House of Prince f. Oezlem; "Circles" by Kimara Lovelace; and "Kiss You All Over" by No Mercy (yes, the remake of Exile's 1978 hit). • Adult Contemporary: "Something About the Way You Look Tonight" by Elton John; and "My Heart Will Go On" by Celine Dion.
Of all the songs listed under the R&B, country and dance charts – each of the AC hits were also hits on the Hot 100 – how many could have legitimately been Hot 100 hits had there not been fragmentation? Who knows.
Brian
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Post by davewollenberg on Mar 27, 2014 20:19:20 GMT -5
Predictions for the OE's:'Naughty girls', '2 occasions', 'Piano in the dark', and, 'Dreamin' by OMD.
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on Mar 27, 2014 20:57:47 GMT -5
Here are the official optional extras for this week:
Hour #1: "Naughty Girls (Need Love Too)" - Samantha Fox Hour #2: "Dreaming" - OMD Hour #3: "Shattered Dreams" - Johnny Hates Jazz Hour #4: "Always On My Mind" - Pet Shop Boys
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Post by davewollenberg on Mar 27, 2014 21:12:11 GMT -5
How 'bout that! I got 2 right!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 0:25:54 GMT -5
You didn't predict "pomp and circumstance" in dedication to Savages first title win? I watched that a couple weeks ago on WWE network. Still is long, still drags on and on and on, and still has me thinking it's never going to end. The better show that day was no contest: the first Clash of Champions on TBS. For some reason – no. Maybe when/if they ever play April 5, 1986 I'll predict Rick Derringer's "Real American" (Hulk Hogan's WWF/WWE entrance song), even though it never charted. That's the weekend before WrestleMania 2. Then again, he did once have a theme that was a huge national hit: Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger" (used in the AWA from 1982-1983, and again in the WWF from 1984-end of 1985), so I might predict that as an extra if Premiere plays a June 1982 show and predict that Larry Morgan comments about Hulk Hogan's connection with the song. As for WM IV, wasn't bad to me – I liked just about anything the WWF put on at the time and anything was passable in my eyes. But I've since heard reviews that it was considered the "worst" WrestleMania. Brian Professional wrestling tag team Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson, also known as The Rock 'n' Roll Express, began using Rock 'n' Roll Is King by E.L.O. as their ring entrance music after 1983!
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Post by pointpark04 on Mar 28, 2014 7:34:13 GMT -5
Woo-hoo! Got three of the four extra choices correct. I only missed "Dreaming" by OMD. A song I love and can't believe didn't do better during its chart life.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Mar 28, 2014 12:09:17 GMT -5
After looking at all the comments regarding late 80's & 90's, I firmly believe the Hot 100 should have been a %100 sales chart in the 1990s. With all the radio fragmentation during that time, one's opinion is only as good as the sub formats one listens to. Since there is no consensus on what a top radio hit was, I'd rather the record consumer determine a single's fate.
Regarding the airplay only tracks, the reality behind that is the record companies are deliberately pissing off the public by making them unavailable to them as singles. Combine that with radio fragmentation and you get a totally distorted view of what public reacts to. Billboard should have never allowed these tracks to chart because the consumer doesn't have a say in their "success."
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Post by matt on Mar 28, 2014 13:00:37 GMT -5
Prediction for next week's show:
1st Guess: 4/4/87 2nd Guess: 4/5/80
We should almost certainly get an '87 show in April, and the only one not likely to be chosen is 4/18/87 (since it was played in 2012). I would bet that it won't be 4/11/87, since I am thinking another year might be a lock for the following weekend...
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Post by matt on Mar 28, 2014 13:02:26 GMT -5
Here are the official optional extras for this week: Hour #1: "Naughty Girls (Need Love Too)" - Samantha Fox Hour #2: "Dreaming" - OMD Hour #3: "Shattered Dreams" - Johnny Hates Jazz Hour #4: "Always On My Mind" - Pet Shop Boys Interesting--Premiere appears to have returned to a more conventional set of extras for '88 shows this year after using the extras to play songs from the post-Casey months of 1988 the past two years. This is a great set of extras, btw...
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