AT 40-Vinyl +CD versions of the same show....

[snarfdude]

I just recently obtained the 20th anniversary show on vinyl. This seemed to within the time frame of the dual format delivery of the show, both CD and vinyl.

This made me wonder how long this went on? When did it stop? My shows were still vinyl into the 90s...but eventually went all CD.

Is vinyl more collectible then the CD version of the show? were less pressed of vinyl then the CD's.

This vinyl version I have is interesting in the fact that it is the international version pressing, but i'm thinking someone at the pressing plant screwed up, as the label actually has "commericals included" on the label, but blacked out with marker. Don't want to confuse the international stations I guess.

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I visited AFRTS Rota, Spain , in March 1990 and they still have the vinyl copy of the show in their studio. Thou that version was AFRTS, ( or maybe international) without date mentions . The station was updated with the latest technology then so it was not the case of station which prefered one format rather than the other, according to its equipment.

For example, there were stations from countries (from South America, Asia, etc) that maybe did not have broadcasting CD players .

[snarfdude]

I suppose that makes sense, as CD players were slowly moving into the control rooms. One of the problems of CD players and DJ fingerprints were resolved with the Denon series of CD cart players in the early 90s and I think that was the death of the vinyl program disc...and the move to CD only for all syndicated shows.

I was just curious if there was a specific date for AT 40 switching to CD only. I have some CD shows from late 99 and spring 1992 and i'm guessing that the switch was made by spring 1992.

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Maybe that fact is told in the cue sheets. A work to do reading, but normally that kind of info is mentioned there.

Later the stations used minidisc , at least in Europe.

[at40petebattistini]

Dec 11, 2011 9:58:43 GMT -5 snarfdude said:

I was just curious if there was a specific date for AT 40 switching to CD only. I have some CD shows from late 99 and spring 1992 and i'm guessing that the switch was made by spring 1992.

snarfdude,
I believe there was an 18-month window when AT40 was available to stations in either LP or CD format. And that would've been from July 1989 to December 1990. However, I'm aware that there are copies of AT40 on vinyl from 1991. To the best of my knowledge, these were being sent to only radio stations outside of the US.

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Dec 11, 2011 11:33:05 GMT -5 at40petebattistini said:

Dec 11, 2011 9:58:43 GMT -5 snarfdude said:

I was just curious if there was a specific date for AT 40 switching to CD only. I have some CD shows from late 99 and spring 1992 and i'm guessing that the switch was made by spring 1992.

snarfdude,
I believe there was an 18-month window when AT40 was available to stations in either LP or CD format. And that would've been from July 1989 to December 1990. However, I'm aware that there are copies of AT40 on vinyl from 1991. To the best of my knowledge, these were being sent to only radio stations outside of the US.

I know whenever it was that it became CD only 1 affiliate had to drop the show as they did not have a CD player.

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Dec 11, 2011 9:58:43 GMT -5 snarfdude said:

I suppose that makes sense, as CD players were slowly moving into the control rooms. One of the problems of CD players and DJ fingerprints were resolved with the Denon series of CD cart players in the early 90s and I think that was the death of the vinyl program disc...and the move to CD only for all syndicated shows.

I was just curious if there was a specific date for AT 40 switching to CD only. I have some CD shows from late 99 and spring 1992 and i'm guessing that the switch was made by spring 1992.

Have you noticed LPs have been resurrected from the dead? Theres a rack of them at our local Best Buys.

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LP is a way to buy records, I mean, physical records, because albums and singles are digitally downloaded and not all the people get them by paying, you know what I mean.

So industry has decided to realese that format, which is great and pretty, and it´s secure money. Record players are also every where.

[arthurallen]

I can't remember the date, but I remember reading in Billboard during the transition that the KUBE, Seattle PD said that if AT40 went to CD only, it would require a four hour dubbing job, because the station didn't have direct CD to air capability. So? Get it! Duh!

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Dec 11, 2011 12:27:00 GMT -5 @jcaragon said:

LP is a way to buy records, I mean, physical records, because albums and singles are digitally downloaded and not all the people get them by paying, you know what I mean.

So industry has decided to realese that format, which is great and pretty, and it´s secure money. Record players are also every where.

Everywhere?? I haven't owned one in 15 years. I have 8 Rick Dees on the Line shows from 89/90 I bought in 2002 and I've never heard them because I don't own one. I know they sell USB compatible ones now so I'll probably buy one eventually.

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Here in Spain you can find them everywhere, with usb connection to insert a pen drive, or with a SD card slot, to convert those Lps into mp3 files.

But they are not ok, IMHO, for ripping Rick or Casey shows, because they dont separate tracks in files as the original vinyls have.

[snarfdude]

Dec 11, 2011 12:28:13 GMT -5 arthurallen said:

I can't remember the date, but I remember reading in Billboard during the transition that the KUBE, Seattle PD said that if AT40 went to CD only, it would require a four hour dubbing job, because the station didn't have direct CD to air capability. So? Get it! Duh!

That would change with the Denon CD cart players. They fast became the standard on control rooms because the CD was in a cartridge similar to a computer floppy disk and the DJ never touched the CD. Some older control rooms still have them in them to play a CD to air, but funny enough, it was only a few years later when the early computer automation systems started turning up in radio stations in the mid 1990s. at that point also, you still had to dub audio in real time into the system.

Given what you say about KUBE ,it may be of interest to know when Casey Top 40 was distributed in Canada in around the 1989-1991 window, it was actually dubbed to tape from a set of source program vinyl discs with the US national commericals edited out by the Toronto company representating Westwood One, then fed via satellite to affiliates who themselves had to record the feed weekly....so Canadian affiliates had no choice to do a weekly dubbing job every Thursday afternoon. 2-6 pm EST.

Most stations who ended up doing this didn't tie up valuable production studio time. Usually a dedicated reel to reel machine was tied into the satellite channel or the channel audio was routed to the audition side of the control room console so the DJ can monitor the satellite feed recording and be on the air at the same time.

This was an advantage for me working at a station that didn't carry the show, as the channel was open to anyone who could hook up a tape deck to it, we just couldn't air it. I got a few CT 4O shows on cassette this way, and wound up getting a few vinyl shows from a contact in Toronto also.

[snarfdude]

Dec 11, 2011 12:44:45 GMT -5 @paul said:

Dec 11, 2011 12:27:00 GMT -5 @jcaragon said:

LP is a way to buy records, I mean, physical records, because albums and singles are digitally downloaded and not all the people get them by paying, you know what I mean.

So industry has decided to realese that format, which is great and pretty, and it´s secure money. Record players are also every where.

Everywhere?? I haven't owned one in 15 years. I have 8 Rick Dees on the Line shows from 89/90 I bought in 2002 and I've never heard them because I don't own one. I know they sell USB compatible ones now so I'll probably buy one eventually.

Vinyl never died. It just went more underground. Now it's coming back more mainstream again. CDs really are lacking in album cover art and the whole personal experience that people like with the handling on vinyl LP's and such. The other factor is not everything is available on CD. It opens a wider scope of music experimentation when you can find something nifty at goodwill and the second hand stores that will never be on CD or any other format.

USB turntables are an option for people getting into it again, but I wouldn't recommend getting a really cheap USB table. some of them i've seen are cheaply made.

coming from a broadcast background, I lucked out with a few vintage canadian broadcast rim drive turntables which seem to be popular among collectors, but I usually do transfers on my Technics Sp 15 direct drive turntable. with a 16 inch tonearm to play transcriptions. I'm very happy with the job it does.

Given the multiple formats music can be had from, I believe in having a player for any format I might have. It just makes sense.

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Given what you say about KUBE ,it may be of interest to know when Casey Top 40 was distributed in Canada in around the 1989-1991 window, it was actually dubbed to tape from a set of source program vinyl discs with the US national commericals edited out by the Toronto company representating Westwood One, then fed via satellite to affiliates who themselves had to record the feed weekly....so Canadian affiliates had no choice to do a weekly dubbing job every Thursday afternoon. 2-6 pm EST.

That is similar to what Cadena 40 did in Spain when receiving a vinyl copy of AT40. The mother station in Madrid received the original show and then they made a dubbed version, with a Spanish DJ and keeping some parts with Casey. They had to distribute the show to 52 FM local radio stations and they used reel to reel format in 1986 to 1988.

Later in the 90s with the Shadoe era they received the show in Madrid, LP or CD, but them they made a dubbed edition the same way but distributing it via satellite and the local FM stations received it and rebroadcasted it in real time. The quality of sound was perfect that way.