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Post by dukelightning on Jul 26, 2011 18:59:33 GMT -5
With that in mind, is anyone starting to worry that Premiere and SXM will start decreasing the early 70s shows? Not saying they have started that already although it could be argued that 1970 and 71 are not being shown much love of late.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jul 26, 2011 23:07:20 GMT -5
Well, to be fair, there weren't any 1970 shows to play until the last few weeks, and I'm sure they'll get one in soon. 80's is more and more becoming "oldies radio", fortunately in my area we have KMCQ which plays lots of 60's and 70's, even an occasional 50's hit. But I listen less to radio now, and more to my extensive collection of records, cd's and cassettes.
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Post by mkarns on Jul 27, 2011 0:06:22 GMT -5
It's natural that the definition of "oldies" changes as time passes and people get older, though I wish that it didn't mean such a sharp reduction in the amount of "ultra oldies" played; even if they appeal mostly to an increasingly elderly demographic, they do listen to music too and many of us in later generations enjoy past music as well. While SXM does have its flaws, I really like how they have stations devoted to early rock'n'roll (50s/early 60s) and prerock pop/jazz as they get scarcer on terrestrial radio.
Specifically regarding AT40, I don't see either service changing its rotation of shows related to the reasons discussed here; 1970-71 are probably just going through the dry spell that most rotated years go through (remember Premiere shafted 1972 for over seven months a couple of years ago, and, at the other end of the scale, 1987 has been underplayed lately.) But as time passes new forms of nostalgia/oldies programming naturally gain appeal and stations feel the need to keep up. Time to unlock the 1990s CT40 vaults soon?
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Post by kahunaburger61 on Jul 27, 2011 0:38:21 GMT -5
Hard to find any stations period that play 50's rock at all. No Chuck Berry, no Little Richard, no Fats Domino, no Jerry Lee Lewis, no Platters, no Coasters, no 50's pre army Elvis...SACRILEGIOUS!!!
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Post by Mike on Jul 27, 2011 10:34:15 GMT -5
With regards to the 1970 shows...the show with the 7/18 chart is the one with the missing hour, and the 7/11 and 7/25 charts have both aired twice already. So even if Premiere had been airing more earlier 70s shows than later, it wouldn't have made a difference.
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Post by lonelysummer on Jul 28, 2011 1:15:47 GMT -5
Hard to find any stations period that play 50's rock at all. No Chuck Berry, no Little Richard, no Fats Domino, no Jerry Lee Lewis, no Platters, no Coasters, no 50's pre army Elvis...SACRILEGIOUS!!! Agreed. Many younger folks today think rock and roll started with the Beatles.
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Post by dukelightning on Jul 28, 2011 7:31:55 GMT -5
With regards to the 1970 shows...the show with the 7/18 chart is the one with the missing hour, and the 7/11 and 7/25 charts have both aired twice already. So even if Premiere had been airing more earlier 70s shows than later, it wouldn't have made a difference. I am not sure what is wrong with the 8/1/70 show as neither network has ever played it. I just heard the whole show yesterday and there are no issues that would prevent it from being aired. And with 8 debut songs, it has one of the highest number of debuts on any available show. BTW, only twice in the whole countdown does Casey mention chart moves and it is the 57 to 30 move of Get Up I Feel Like a Sex Machine and the 60 to 29 move of Patches, the 2 highest debuts. GUIFLASM went 57-30-15. Most moves like that at least threaten the #1 spot. However, in this case, it stopped dead at 15. I suppose there was resistance at radio because of the title.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jul 31, 2011 21:27:46 GMT -5
Hard to find any stations period that play 50's rock at all. No Chuck Berry, no Little Richard, no Fats Domino, no Jerry Lee Lewis, no Platters, no Coasters, no 50's pre army Elvis...SACRILEGIOUS!!! Agreed. Many younger folks today think rock and roll started with the Beatles. Actually, many younger folks think the older generation hates THEIR music. (Gee, where have I heard THAT before!?) So as a form of retaliation, they're giving an UP YOURS to the people who like the music of yesteryear.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jul 31, 2011 21:41:38 GMT -5
With regards to the 1970 shows...the show with the 7/18 chart is the one with the missing hour, and the 7/11 and 7/25 charts have both aired twice already. So even if Premiere had been airing more earlier 70s shows than later, it wouldn't have made a difference. I am not sure what is wrong with the 8/1/70 show as neither network has ever played it. I just heard the whole show yesterday and there are no issues that would prevent it from being aired. And with 8 debut songs, it has one of the highest number of debuts on any available show. BTW, only twice in the whole countdown does Casey mention chart moves and it is the 57 to 30 move of Get Up I Feel Like a Sex Machine and the 60 to 29 move of Patches, the 2 highest debuts. GUIFLASM went 57-30-15. Most moves like that at least threaten the #1 spot. However, in this case, it stopped dead at 15. I suppose there was resistance at radio because of the title. The way hip hop is viewed at by many here was the same way pop music fans saw James Brown in the 70's. The problem really started when pop radio had trouble playing his 1968 hit "Say It LOUD, I'm BLACK & I'm PROUD." DJs had problems stating the title over the airwaves. Brown continued to put out records that weren't 'watered down' after that & pop PDs felt annoyed so they stopped playing his records altogether. If you look at the chart runs of Brown's hits on the Hot 100 after 1968, you'll so a consistent pattern. It's a shame because that's I felt he released his best material.
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Post by marv101 on Aug 6, 2011 19:12:25 GMT -5
One key difference is the very narrow appeal which hip-hop and rap music has had since the late eighties as opposed to top 40 radio, which was always designed as a mass-appeal format, as anybody who grew up listening to AM radio in the sixties is undoubtedly aware of.
Tons of top 40 radio stations started loading up on rap music starting in the late eighties, which certainly explains why 100+ stations bailed out of the top 40 format between the late eighties and the late nineties, as the 'soocer moms' and baby-boomers who had no problem listening to top 40 radio throughout most of the eighties started fleeing to country, Smooth Jazz, & AC stations, and later Hot AC in the early nineties.
The aging audience is one major reason why many Oldies/Classic Hits don't play any pre-British invasion music anymore, excluding stations such as KRTH & CBS-FM.
A teenage listener from 30 years ago when classics such as 'Bette Davis Eyes' & 'Kiss On My List' topped the charts would be on the verge of turning 50 today, and approaching the high end of that 25-54 demo, after which time they incomprehensibly and preposterously become irrelevant to advertisers.
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Post by lakebound on Aug 7, 2011 14:44:36 GMT -5
WTIX FM (New Orleans) plays plenty of pre-Beatles music and goes all the way up to the early '80s.............unfortunately, the station does not stream. www.wgvu.org/realoldies/index.cfm streams and plays from the '50s to the mid-'70s...............and they play more B-sides than I've ever heard.
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Post by mrjukebox on Aug 7, 2011 16:42:13 GMT -5
For those oldies aficionados out there:WLNG in Sag Harbor,NY is highly recommended-They claim to have over 10,000 songs in their library-They do play pre-1964 oldies,which basically means anything from 1950 and beyond-The station does stream on the internet-Go to www.wlng.com for further information.
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Post by dukelightning on Aug 7, 2011 19:51:41 GMT -5
For those R&B oldies fans, I have a local station that streams at www.jammin993.com They play R&B oldies from the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s.
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Post by jgve1952 on Aug 7, 2011 20:55:42 GMT -5
I live in the Hampton Roads area and we have two stations that feature 60's, 70's and 80's music. The stations are WAVE 92.9 and Magic 105.3. The 60's feature Beatles, Rolling Stones and some classics like Get Together, Gimme Some Lovin, Mamas and the Papas and Lovin' Sthingyful. But on an average hour with say 14 songs, 3 are from the 60's, 6 from the 70's and 5 from the 80's.
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Post by kahunaburger61 on Aug 8, 2011 2:03:34 GMT -5
With regards to the 1970 shows...the show with the 7/18 chart is the one with the missing hour, and the 7/11 and 7/25 charts have both aired twice already. So even if Premiere had been airing more earlier 70s shows than later, it wouldn't have made a difference. I am not sure what is wrong with the 8/1/70 show as neither network has ever played it. I just heard the whole show yesterday and there are no issues that would prevent it from being aired. And with 8 debut songs, it has one of the highest number of debuts on any available show. BTW, only twice in the whole countdown does Casey mention chart moves and it is the 57 to 30 move of Get Up I Feel Like a Sex Machine and the 60 to 29 move of Patches, the 2 highest debuts. GUIFLASM went 57-30-15. Most moves like that at least threaten the #1 spot. However, in this case, it stopped dead at 15. I suppose there was resistance at radio because of the title. Unfortunately there was resistance to playing James Brown at Top 40 radio stations. In Rob Durkee's book he talks about how AT40's affiliates complained about all the R & B/Soul songs in the countdown in particular Mr. Brown's records. Pretty Sad!!!
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