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Post by Hervard on Nov 23, 2018 18:28:10 GMT -5
And the most interesting thing about the song might be that it dropped off all the way at 18. Even on the new AT 40 airplay charts that were used from the end of 1991 until 1995 (minus the 11/30/91 show) songs dropping off from the top 20 were rare. I can't think of any other songs that did except "All I Want For Christmas Is You" by Mariah Carey, when she dropped from the top 10 off the charts at the beginning of 1995. I assume this is not counting songs that dropped from the Top 20 via the recurrent rule.
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Post by woolebull on Nov 23, 2018 22:42:21 GMT -5
And the most interesting thing about the song might be that it dropped off all the way at 18. Even on the new AT 40 airplay charts that were used from the end of 1991 until 1995 (minus the 11/30/91 show) songs dropping off from the top 20 were rare. I can't think of any other songs that did except "All I Want For Christmas Is You" by Mariah Carey, when she dropped from the top 10 off the charts at the beginning of 1995. I assume this is not counting songs that dropped from the Top 20 via the recurrent rule. That is correct. Was there a recurrent rule on AT 40 (92-95), though?
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Post by woolebull on Nov 23, 2018 22:45:12 GMT -5
As someone who just knows "Ariel" because of hearing AT 40 shows from 1977 retroactively, I'm absolutely shocked it only went to number 26. I knew it wasn't a top 10 hit, but am floored it wasn't a top 25 hit. I always enjoyed Dean Friedman's nod to the Beach Boys/4 Seasons sound of the 1960's (Ariel) but the song had a more straight forward run in the Cash Box Top 40. 38--35--33--30--26--24--21--19--18--17--31--33--38--40 (14 weeks in the Top 40). The song did place at #92 on the 1977 year end chart--and Billboard placed it at #69 on their year end survey (although Casey & Company did their own year end chart and the song was #87). Off topic, and I'm sure it has been answered one here before, but what is the lowest charting song to hit the year end Top 100 between 1970 and 1991? Because it would seem that "Ariel" has to be a good contender for it.
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Post by mga707 on Nov 23, 2018 22:53:46 GMT -5
I always enjoyed Dean Friedman's nod to the Beach Boys/4 Seasons sound of the 1960's (Ariel) but the song had a more straight forward run in the Cash Box Top 40. 38--35--33--30--26--24--21--19--18--17--31--33--38--40 (14 weeks in the Top 40). The song did place at #92 on the 1977 year end chart--and Billboard placed it at #69 on their year end survey (although Casey & Company did their own year end chart and the song was #87). Off topic, and I'm sure it has been answered one here before, but what is the lowest charting song to hit the year end Top 100 between 1970 and 1991? Because it would seem that "Ariel" has to be a good contender for it. I believe that "Devil's Gun" by C.J. and Co. also made the 1977 top 100, and it peaked at #36 on the 'Hot 100', ten positions lower than "Ariel". Believe it was at or near the bottom of the year-end chart (maybe even #100?) due to it's 29-week chart run. It also did the 'up and down and up and down again', although it only cracked the 40 one time.
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Post by Hervard on Nov 24, 2018 10:55:33 GMT -5
I assume this is not counting songs that dropped from the Top 20 via the recurrent rule. That is correct. Was there a recurrent rule on AT 40 (92-95), though? In 1992, they used the Top 40 Radio Monitor, whose recurrent rule, which had been in place since it debuted in December, 1990, was the standard (at the time) 20/20 rule. The Top 40 Mainstream chart, which was used from January 1993 on did not have a recurrent rule at first, but then in May or so, it was 20/26.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Nov 24, 2018 13:31:24 GMT -5
Off topic, and I'm sure it has been answered one here before, but what is the lowest charting song to hit the year end Top 100 between 1970 and 1991? Because it would seem that "Ariel" has to be a good contender for it. I believe that "Devil's Gun" by C.J. and Co. also made the 1977 top 100, and it peaked at #36 on the 'Hot 100', ten positions lower than "Ariel". Believe it was at or near the bottom of the year-end chart (maybe even #100?) due to it's 29-week chart run. It also did the 'up and down and up and down again', although it only cracked the 40 one time. While I do believe that Devil's Gun is the lowest charting song , between 1970 and 1991, that made the year end chart; however AT40 used their own chart for 1977 and so never played that song. The lowest charter AT40 played on a year end countdown is Ike & Tina Turner's I Want To Take You Higher, which reached #34 in 1970 (18 weeks on the Hot 100) and the song placed at #79 on the 1970 Billboard 'official' year end chart (which is what Watermark used for their first 'special' countdown).
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Post by johnnywest on Nov 27, 2018 15:29:15 GMT -5
I'll go out on a limb and say this is the all-time record. On Casey's Top 40 on the weekend of April 23-24, 1994, "The Power of Love" by Celine Dion fell 5 notches to #30. Then as the PPW era began in R&R the following week, it moved back up 20 notches. From the rest of its duration, it trickled down the chart until it either dropped off or was taken off the chart on June 18 (the four oldest songs below #26 coincidentally left the chart that week).
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Post by Hervard on Nov 28, 2018 13:31:31 GMT -5
I'll go out on a limb and say this is the all-time record. On Casey's Top 40 on the weekend of April 23-24, 1994, "The Power of Love" by Celine Dion fell 5 notches to #30. Then as the PPW era began in R&R the following week, it moved back up 20 notches. From the rest of its duration, it trickled down the chart until it either dropped off or was taken off the chart on June 18 (the four oldest songs below #26 coincidentally left the chart that week). The R&R chart seemed to have some sort of arbitrary recurrent rule in place at the time. Of course, songs were ranked by some point system (not sure exactly what it was, since I no longer have printed copies of the charts). The PPW era didn't start proper until the first week of 1995. Songs weren't suddenly disappearing from high positions, until about a year and a half later when the recurrent rule was implemented.
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Post by johnnywest on Nov 30, 2018 16:23:44 GMT -5
In January 1987, "True Faith" fell to #38, then moved back up 4 spots to #34.
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 16, 2018 11:35:37 GMT -5
Just this week, there’s “Be Alright” by Dean Lewis which is back up 5 notches.
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Post by woolebull on Dec 18, 2018 14:28:47 GMT -5
Just this week, there’s “Be Alright” by Dean Lewis which is back up 5 notches. There have been some interesting singles this year go up after going down. Lauv did quite a bit of moving up and down with "I Like Me Better". Ella Mai's, "Boo'd Up". Debuted, fell off, and then reappeared the next week at, I think, 35.
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Post by johnnywest on Jun 8, 2021 20:42:30 GMT -5
Here's the chart run for "Levitating" by Dua Lipa f/DaBaby as of this past weekend: 28 23 20 17 14 12 13 9 9 5 5 5 4 5 7 7 6 9 10 14 19 23 24 25 28 31 32 32 35 25 12.
This past weekend and the weekend before, it was the fastest riser.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jun 9, 2021 6:55:32 GMT -5
Here's the chart run for "Levitating" by Dua Lipa f/DaBaby as of this past weekend: 28 23 20 17 14 12 13 9 9 5 5 5 4 5 7 7 6 9 10 14 19 23 24 25 28 31 32 32 35 25 12. This past weekend and the weekend before, it was the fastest riser. I knew there was a thread for this; I had noticed that with "Levitating" the last two shows. It'll be interesting to see where this latest run takes it. Fun song.
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Post by Mike on Jun 9, 2021 19:16:31 GMT -5
Though I need to check to see where "Always and Forever" in 1990 redebuted at on AT 40. But that can be explained to a mini revamping of the charts, I believe. AT40 run: 39-off-38-35-39-off. Its first week off, it edged down 39-41 on the Hot 100. What happened there was, it debuted on AT40 on 5/19/90. That same week, it first showed up on the top 40 of the Sales chart at #34. (On the top 40 of the Airplay chart, it inched up 40-39.) On 5/26, for whatever reason, it slid out of the Sales Top 40 - unless this involved a "chart revamping" that caused it to lose sales or sales points, I don't think a revamping was in play here. On the airplay side, it was up 39-34, but the loss in sales points caused it to slip out of AT40 for that week. Then on 6/2, it returned both to the Sales Top 40 - thus, regaining sales/sales points - and to AT40. As much as this sounds confusing, the best I can recommend is to look at the respective issues of Billboard on World Radio History. Being able to "see" the week-to-week progression will make it make more sense. So apparently something I just happened upon with Tony Terry ended up being a really weird chart run. He "triple peaked". Starting with the 10/26/91 show the chart run of "With You" was different from anything that had happened on American Top 40 in years: 21-16-18-14-19-16-18-off So, Tony got one boost for some random boomerang action on 11-16-91. He then got a boost when the charts changed on 11/30/91. Only to drop off completely from 18 two weeks later. This might be the only song that boomeranged twice because of two completely different occurrences: one being a random boost, the other because of a complete chart change. And the most interesting thing about the song might be that it dropped off all the way at 18. Even on the new AT 40 airplay charts that were used from the end of 1991 until 1995 (minus the 11/30/91 show) songs dropping off from the top 20 were rare. I can't think of any other songs that did except "All I Want For Christmas Is You" by Mariah Carey, when she dropped from the top 10 off the charts at the beginning of 1995. One more interesting chart nugget: the 11/30/91 show was missing three songs that had dropped from #18 or higher, including "Don't Cry" by G-n-R which dropped out from #10. Of course, this was because of the new chart. Tony dropping two weeks later from #18 ended a pretty cool run, for a really great song. Two things happened here. One, as mentioned, was the chart change. The second, was mentioned above - it was the Top 40 Radio Monitor recurrent rule. Tony Terry crashed headlong into that, as 12/7/91 - his last week on AT40, at #18 - was his 21st week on the Radio Monitor, thus falling below #20 meant instant removal. ("Good Vibrations", which was at #22 that same week after returning the previous, saw the same thing - 12/7 was Week 20 for that song on the Monitor.) Here's the chart run for "Levitating" by Dua Lipa f/DaBaby as of this past weekend: 28 23 20 17 14 12 13 9 9 5 5 5 4 5 7 7 6 9 10 14 19 23 24 25 28 31 32 32 35 25 12. This past weekend and the weekend before, it was the fastest riser. Worth noting: On both the "regular" Mediabase and Billboard Mainstream charts, the song had been sent recurrent - only to return to each within the past month or so. She returned to Billboard first, on their May 15 chart at #7 (posted May 12), but didn't return to Mediabase's chart until a week later, at #4. As to why the resurgence? That I don't know. But, it reminds me of a similar example from 2005 - Rob Thomas's "Lonely No More". AT40 run: 31 - 22 - 20 - 16 - 17 - 16 - 15 - 16 - 19 - 23 - 26 - 23 - 20 - 16 - 10 - 10 - 10 - 13 - 14 - 19 - 21 - 23 - 24 - 25 - 26 - 30 - 35 - 38 - 38 - 40. The only difference is, Rob didn't go recurrent off the regular chart and then return - his up-down-up all happened in a single run. Dua Lipa's only looks like it's a single run if you use her AT40 run, since they dispensed with having a recurrent rule at the same time Seacrest took the helm. But if you'd use either the Billboard chart (yes, the same chart that was used under Shadoe from January 1993-January 1995) or the Mediabase chart (most comparable to that under Casey for his second AT40 run), she'd have fallen off only to return in the Top 10. Imagine trying to account for THAT in the countdown!
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Post by Mike on Jun 9, 2021 19:24:08 GMT -5
Separately, I can offer an instance of two of these over the same three-week progression.
On 6/6/92, there were five debuts and a re-entry (thanks to no less than FIVE songs all going recurrent off the Radio Monitor in the same week - which might in itself be a record), and two of the debuts were CeCe Pen*ston's "Keep on Walkin' " at #38 and Jodeci's "Come and Talk to Me" at #30.
On 6/13, they each slid two notches to #40 and #32, respectively. This may have been caused by massive shifts in airplay that week to other songs, as Vanessa Williams leaped 20 notches on the Monitor to debut at #39, while George Michael leaped 32 notches to fly in up at #19. (The other debut that week, TLC's "Baby Baby Baby", leaped 44-36 on the Monitor that week.)
On 6/20, both CeCe and Jodeci rebounded - CeCe was the week's Biggest Mover, leaping 40-23, while Jodeci was up 32-24.
She would go on to reach #9, while they'd reach #10.
Incidentally, the five recurrents in one week was what caused the re-entry on 6/6 (Laura Enea's "This is the Last Time" at #39), and definitely lifted up TKA's "Maria" to debut at #35. Laura would drop back out again on 6/13, this time for good, while TKA - like CeCe and Jodeci - dropped two (to #37). TKA would then disappear on 6/20.
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