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Post by woolebull on Mar 20, 2023 13:27:25 GMT -5
One other thing I never realized until I just looked it up was how many weeks "G" stayed on the top 40. 12 weeks, never getting past 24, in the quick moving chart era (example: #1 "Ordinary World was on the chart just three weeks longer than "G"). Well, it was the "quick but getting less and less quick moving" era by that point. I'd say through at least the first half of 1992, it's still a pretty quick moving chart. From the second half of 92 up through when they finally changed the chart in April 1994, it gets gradually slower. Emphasis on "gradually" though as it's hard to notice through any individual chart, it takes going through the time period for it to really become apparent. "G" is easily more emblematic of the chart slowing down, I'd say, than "Ordinary World" is - no way a #24-peaker makes it to 12 weeks before this point. Actually, "Ordinary World" is not representative of a slowing-down chart at all - I think you might have been thinking of their follow-up "Come Undone" there, as "World" only lasted 13 weeks (#1 and 13 weeks had been basically par for the course for years up to 93). 100 percent agreement with your thoughts. That's why I brought it up: "G" is one of the first times that the R and R charts slowing down, yet you still had the fast rising and dropping bigger songs as well. I didn't realize "World" was just 13 weeks. A testament to Dre/Dogg and the world to come for sure
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Post by Mike on Mar 20, 2023 13:38:57 GMT -5
Whitney has 2 songs in the top 5 for the first time in the 90s as Casey said. I think the last time an artist had 2 hits in the top 5 in a Casey countdown was just under 10 years earlier on 4/16 and 4/23/83 when MJ had "Billie Jean" and "Beat It" there on AT40. Not quite, but you actually have the right month on the calendar. It is instead Madonna, with "Material Girl" and "Crazy For You" on 4/6 and 4/13/85. (And I notice the careful wording - in both your example and mine, one of the two weeks is a Casey countdown but not a Casey-HOSTED countdown.)
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Post by dukelightning on Mar 20, 2023 16:00:40 GMT -5
Ah overlooked another diva that pulled that off. We have alluded to the Bee Gees in 1978 earlier and they did it for several weeks with "Stayin' Alive" and "Night Fever" in March and April then. Seems like this is always happening in March or April. There are other instances where it happened in other months. Linda Ronstadt accomplished this in December 1977, Donna Summer did it with 2 pairs of hits in June/July and November 1979 and the next time it happened after 3/27/93 was in November/December 1994 for Boyz II Men. Just as with Whitney in 1993, they did it on CT40 but not AT40 with "I'll Make Love to you" and "On Bended Knee". (2 hits in the top 5)
No such thing will happen on this show, the CT40 from 4/7/90. Casey says that a rarity occurs when a rap act debuts that is not from New York or Los Angeles. It's the U Crew(U standing for Untouchable he said) from Portland. But they were not the only rapper not from NY or LA to debut this week. MC Hammer debuted with "U Can't Touch This". He is from Oakland.
In connection with Wilson Phillips who are spending just their second week ever on CT40, Casey counted down the top 5 show biz kids. #5 was Natalie Cole followed by Nancy Sinatra, Gary Lewis(the Playboys), Whitney and at the top was Rick Nelson. Wilson Phillips had a great a couple years but seeing as they fizzled out thereafter, I don't see as they ever got into this top 5.
2 hits are up a combined 23 notches but neither reach the top 10. Adam Ant moved 12 notches with "Room at the Top" but only reached #16 and Sweet Sensation moved 11 notches with "Love Child" but stalled out at 11.
Best story of the show was about the gal in Technotronic. Her father was a pilot and always had several extra airline tickets. Once when she was 15 living in Belgium, she found a ticket with a destination of Chicago. That was one of the places that she wanted to go, actually America was. Anyway she took the flight. But Chicago lived up to its billing as the windy city. It was very windy and very cold, near zero. She ended up spending the night in a homeless shelter. After 2 days of wandering the cold streets, she had had enough and through the police, contacted her mother who got her a ticket back home. I would not have had the nerve to do such a thing when I was 15!
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Post by Mike on Mar 20, 2023 20:52:24 GMT -5
Ah overlooked another diva that pulled that off. We have alluded to the Bee Gees in 1978 earlier and they did it for several weeks with "Stayin' Alive" and "Night Fever" in March and April then. Seems like this is always happening in March or April. There are other instances where it happened in other months. Linda Ronstadt accomplished this in December 1977, Donna Summer did it with 2 pairs of hits in June/July and November 1979 and the next time it happened after 3/27/93 was in November/December 1994 for Boyz II Men. Just as with Whitney in 1993, they did it on CT40 but not AT40 with "I'll Make Love to you" and "On Bended Knee". (2 hits in the top 5) Inbetween those, Bryan Adams also did it - though that may require an asterisk as one was Bryan solo while the other was Bryan/Rod/Sting. Making the two "Please Forgive Me" and "All For Love" of course. In any event that happened both places, AT40 ended 1993 with that while CT40 began 94 with it. Lasted 7 weeks that way on AT40 (12/25 through 2/5, 2/5 being the week "All For Love" hit #1).
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Post by dukelightning on Mar 21, 2023 8:32:25 GMT -5
That may complete the picture of all the times an artist had 2 hits in the top 5 during the 33 and a half years that Casey and Shadoe were hosting AT40 and CT40. Happened 4 times by 3 artists in the 70s, twice in the 80s and 3 times in the 90s. But get this, the next time it happened after those 33 and a half years was the very next week! The week of 1/10/04 when Seacrest was hosting AT40 for the first time, OutKast were at #1 with "Hey Ya!" and moving up to #4 was "The Way You Move". Incidentally, the next week it dropped to #5 before eventually hitting #1. I am not aware of any #1 hit during those aforementioned 33 and a half years that dropped en route to hitting the top. And if so "The Way You Move" was the hit that did 2 things that neither Casey nor Shaode were ever able to announce, a #1 hit dropping prior to hitting the top and also following another hit by that artist into the #1 spot as it knocked "Hey Ya!" out a few weeks later. Both within a month or so of Casey last hosting AT40.
And the 3/26/94 AT40 has a question that ties in with artists having 2 hits in the top 5. Someone after noticing that Ace of Base had knocked Mariah out of the #1 spot had themselves been knocked out by Mariah("Dreamlover", then "All That She Wants", then "Hero"), wondered if that had happened previously. Shadoe mentioned Dexy's Midnight Runners knocking out MJ who in turn knocked them out in April 1983(his 2 hits were in the top 5 then too), Anita Ward knocking out Donna Summer in 1979 who then knocked her out(Donna's 2 hits were in the top 5 then) and Andy Gibb knocking out his brothers who then knocked him out in March 1978(Bee Gees 2 hits were in the top 5 then). Btw Mariah is trying to knock out the Acers again this week but she will fail this time! Those 2 hits Mike mentioned by Bryan Adams are back to back in this show, in the 20s.
4 debuts and 3 of them are former Sneak Peeks which must be a record. A hit that debuted the previous week by Melissa Etheridge had Shadoe saying that she had hit the Hot 100 twice previously before hitting the top 40 with "Come to My Window". Interesting that he references the Hot 100 like that since they had long since stopped using that chart for the show. Makes you wonder if he ever made a similar statement about another artist. I checked one such artist, Nirvana. You know they did not make it on to AT40 with "Smells Like Teen Spirit" despite reaching the top 10 on both CT40 and the Hot 100. But get this they missed with the next release "Come As You Are" too. And it had a bigger disparity between peaks on CT40 and the chart AT40 was using. Spirit's peaks were 9 and 41 but Come's were 20 and 62. Makes you wonder what the biggest disparity ever was. Anyway, got off an a tangent. Nirvana would not make it on AT40 with a hit until 10/29/94 with "About a Girl" and Shadoe did not make any reference to them hitting the Hot 100 previously as they had 4 times prior to Girl.
After "Mary Jane's Last Dance", Shadoe said the video for it was disturbing. So I watched it just now. Yeah it shows Tom taking this gal from a hospital ward who is asleep and she stays that way as he takes her to his home and dances with her that ay. Finally he takes her down to the sea and submerges her. The video ends with her finally opening her eyes starting to rise from the water. Yeah a strange one there!
Wow, did not expect to hear Shadoe say this 'Mariah's last hit reached #1 and that is where this one is heading, looks like it'. "The Sign" is only halfway through its reign at this point!
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Post by woolebull on Mar 21, 2023 13:23:04 GMT -5
I am listening to, uh, Top 40 from 3/21/98. Just getting into it...one debut, which is unequivocally the least successful of the 90's top 40 instrumentals, James Horner and "Southampton".
Question for those who have heard the show...was there something wrong with the recording of the show? Listening to it while running it seems that it might have been recorded in mono or something. When I listen to it, most of the voices are on the left side. That goes for the songs, Jeff Wyatt, and commercials.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Mar 21, 2023 13:34:57 GMT -5
I am listening to, uh, Top 40 from 3/21/98. Just getting into it...one debut, which is unequivocally the least successful of the 90's top 40 instrumentals, James Horner and "Southampton". Question for those who have heard the show...was there something wrong with the recording of the show? Listening to it while running it seems that it might have been recorded in mono or something. When I listen to it, most of the voices are on the left side. That goes for the songs, Jeff Wyatt, and commercials. My copy is like that also. It sounds weird. The right channel is in "surround sound", while the left channel is normal.
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Post by Mike on Mar 21, 2023 20:33:30 GMT -5
I am not aware of any #1 hit during those aforementioned 33 and a half years that dropped en route to hitting the top. Matchbox Twenty's "Bent" in 2000. Got up to #2 behind "It's Gonna Be Me", then was pushed down to #3 for a week as "Absolutely (Story of a Girl)" shoved past and hit #1 next, then THAT would be dislodged by "Bent" finally reaching the top. Before that, right at the end of the record-setting #1 reign of the song you were listening to earlier. Big Mountain's remake of "Baby, I Love Your Way" had gotten up to #3, then on Ace of Base's record-setting week (5/14), Prince ("The Most Beautiful Girl in the World") would push them down to #4. Then the next week they suddenly leapt to #1 for that one week. By the way, you missed an error: And the 3/26/94 AT40 has a question that ties in with artists having 2 hits in the top 5. Someone after noticing that Ace of Base had knocked Mariah out of the #1 spot had themselves been knocked out by Mariah("Dreamlover", then "All That She Wants", then "Hero"), wondered if that had happened previously. Shadoe mentioned Dexy's Midnight Runners knocking out MJ who in turn knocked them out in April 1983(his 2 hits were in the top 5 then too), Shadoe reversed the order of MJ's two #1s there, saying Dexy's knocked off "Beat It" only to then be knocked off by "Billie Jean". When it was the other way around.
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Post by woolebull on Mar 23, 2023 9:56:01 GMT -5
Continuing on with Top 40 from 3/21/98, I have listened to about half of the show. Two things to note about Jeff Wyatt and/or the production:
1) I have heard Jeff Wyatt on other programs before, most notably "American Dance Traxx" (One of my favorite cassette tapes growing up is a copy of ADT I recorded off a station in Charlotte in 1989). I never noticed it before, but to me, Jeff sounds just like Bob Eubanks. I mean just like him. That is NOT a negative thing to me...I think it is pretty cool. However...if I keep on listening and he does a segment about the Hungarian Suicide Song then I will stop listening on the spot!
2) I mentioned earlier that the recording of the show, listening to it via earphones/buds, sounded off. That being said, I love the energy and other aspects of the production that Jeff and the crew bring. Jeff would be one of my favorite guest DJ's...if he actually counts as one. There was one specific segment in which Chumbawumba is back to back with "Amnesia" and "Tubthumping". Not only did Jeff handle the segue flawlessly, the two songs are played in a way where it feels there is no break between the two songs, like it was a mesh up making one song. It sounded so good. Really impressed with it.
I look forward to listening to the rest of the show!
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Post by Mike on Mar 23, 2023 15:25:28 GMT -5
See, I thought he reminded me more of CVD with his sort of faster delivery - he just doesn't have Charlie's deeper voice.
And Chumbawamba would retain the back-to-back when the countdown flipped to AT40, only with the order of the songs also flipped as well. Listening to the segment from 3/21 now, it's later Shadoe-esque in that "Tubthumping" would start being heard the second "Amnesia" finished, so Jeff was segue-ing from one song to the next as "Tubthumping" was playing underneath - that kind of thing was rather common in 1992-94 Shadoe (though often the song playing would be a looped music bed rather than a quick enough segue like Jeff does here).
ETA: Casey would pull off a similar segue with Robyn's two hits the following week (didn't happen with Chumbawamba's two because instead he told a story between them on the band).
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Post by woolebull on Mar 24, 2023 9:05:54 GMT -5
See, I thought he reminded me more of CVD with his sort of faster delivery - he just doesn't have Charlie's deeper voice. And Chumbawamba would retain the back-to-back when the countdown flipped to AT40, only with the order of the songs also flipped as well. Listening to the segment from 3/21 now, it's later Shadoe-esque in that "Tubthumping" would start being heard the second "Amnesia" finished, so Jeff was segue-ing from one song to the next as "Tubthumping" was playing underneath - that kind of thing was rather common in 1992-94 Shadoe (though often the song playing would be a looped music bed rather than a quick enough segue like Jeff does here). ETA: Casey would pull off a similar segue with Robyn's two hits the following week (didn't happen with Chumbawamba's two because instead he told a story between them on the band). He certainly had the CVD speed going, for sure. He really sounded great! You hit the nail on the head: it sounded like a segment we would have heard from AT 40 in the later Shadoe era. A while back, I almost asked a question on here if anyone ever caught glimpses of Shadoe's AT that CT copied. I thought about it when Casey was introing "Careless Whispers" on the CT 40 Eighties Decade special and how it seemed Casey was going more "theatre of the mind" just as Shadoe did. However I never really have heard many times on CT where it seems they borrowed ideas from Shadoe's AT. This, even though it is not technically CT, certainly had similarities to AT in the Shadoe years. And it was awesome!
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Post by dukelightning on Mar 25, 2023 14:10:51 GMT -5
So finishing up from the other day, a future #1 hit dropped on at least one occasion for each AT40 host though I am sure it has happened multiple times for Seacrest. It only happened on a monitored chart. Wonder if it has happened on the Hot 100 since that chart became monitored. Btw, I do remember now that you mention it Mike that "Bent" took that drop. Quite a top 2 for 2000...a hit that never hit #1 and another that dropped en route to #1 and both as good as their ranking indicates IMO.
Back to a show from another part of the year. This is the AT40 from 7/4/92 and Shadoe seems to be touting new theme music. This must be the theme music for the last 2 and a half years of the show. There are 3 tracks added to the show tracks representing the show opening and the two other segment opening themes. Interesting statement here. Shadoe says that Lionel Richie first debuted in the top 40 18 years ago that week when "Machine Gun" debuted for the Commodores in 1974. Then he said Lionel was leaving Motown who he had been with ever since. That he had 30 million reasons to leave the label. He had just signed a $30,000,000 deal with Mercury Records. But get this, "Do It to Me" will hold at 37 the next week and fall out. Lionel will never be heard again on AT40 or CT40 for that matter. So here's the tally, # of top 40 hits on Motown...32(16 apiece with the Commodores and a solo artist by my count), # of top 40 hits on Mercury 0. Also by holding on for that extra week, Lionel does not join a very small club of artists. That would be artists whose last week on AT/CT40 came on the anniversary of their first week. Not something I have done any research on but there's one such artist I am aware of..Christopher Cross. "Ride Like the Wind" debuted on 3/1/80 and his last hit "Think of Laura" spent its last week on the countdown on 3/3/84.
Wow "Life is a Highway" hit #1 in Canada in December 1991. Wonder if this is a another case like "Moonlight Feels Right" where the label waited until spring almost summer to release it in the US because of the warmer weather this song seems to be created for. Definitely a summer song IMO.
You would not have heard that debut of "Machine Gun" in 1974 due to their being a special that week. Same thing with the flashback to 1981. The Beatles special aired that week.
At first I was surprised that Shadoe did not make a big deal out of Madonna debuting at 13. But with Mariah debuting at #4 a few weeks earlier, I suppose it's not that significant.
Interesting LDD. This guy and this gal ended up sitting next to each other on a bus trip. He wrote the letter and said that for awhile only them and the bus driver were awake once it got dark. Definitely had some fun! But when he went to LA to visit her a few weeks later, he could not locate her. They both listened to AT40 so after he got back to Germany he sent the LDD hoping she would hear it. But the song that he dedicated was "All I Want to do is Make Love to You". Ok, so the subject may be appropriate based on their bus experience. But that is a woman singing it. Like I said interesting. Wonder how that one turned out.
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Post by dukelightning on Mar 26, 2023 16:29:12 GMT -5
It's the 3/30/02 AT40 today. Not a whole lot to write about this show but a lot of great songs*. By Tweet, Toya, Default, Fat Joe & Ashanti, OutKast, City High, Ludacris, Vanessa Carlton, Brandy, Pink, Creed, No Doubt, LeAnn Rimes, Puddle of Mudd, Ja Rule & Ashanti, Nickelback, Kylie Minogue, J Lo, Linkin Park(at #1 for a 4th week) and Sonique in America's Greatest Hits. Interesting story there as Casey said it was "I Feel Love" by Donna Summer that not only moved her feet but her heart and soul. Seemed odd to have a song so far back in time be so significant to her career. She was only 9 when that came out.
Thought for a few minutes that this would be the second show I have heard recently in which a LDD by Mariah would be followed by a hit in the countdown with the same title. In a 2001 show, her "Butterfly" was played and then the Crazy Town hit of that title was played. In this show her "Hero" was a LDD and after Casey mentioned the #1 hits on the other charts with Enrique Iglesias' "Hero" at #1 on the AC chart(before #6), I thought it would happen. But despite it being #1 on the AC chart and being on the CHR chart for 20 weeks, those 20 weeks ended over a month earlier.
*What a difference 10 years makes. Yesterday I heard a 1992 show and there were nowhere near as many great songs in that show IMO.
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Post by woolebull on Mar 26, 2023 19:47:58 GMT -5
Finished Top 40 and the last hour had one cool story that the lot of us can understand. "Torn" by Natalie Imbruglia jumped to number nine and he told a story of how people were going to record stores and buying the wrong single. Of course we know why...it hadn't been released as a single yet. Jeff also made an error in the last segment as he began it saying that we were "one hit away from the number one song...but first, at number three..." Still, I thoroughly enjoyed the show from beginning to end. I can't say enough about the job Jeff, Gonzalo Venecia and the crew did in an unusual situation. Very well done.
Now a question for the group: I started listening to Dees 3/25/95. I was excited at first because they had Ray Pruit (Jamie Walters) and Melissa Ethridge guest hosting with Dees. I started the show: the sure shot was "Tell Me When" by Human League which didn't surprise me from a timing standpoint. However, it seems that the show actually starts at number 30. I checked all four hours and I don't think I am wrong...am I missing something here? None of the numbers seemed to match the R and R chart it should have. I gave up and started listening to to CT from the same day. Just my luck...I get a guest host and unfortunately it is not Ray Pruit...sitting in for David Perry this week is Casey Kasem. I kid, I kid...I actually like David. Mark Elliott was my favorite CT guest host, but I certainly am not like others who do not like Perry. I am excited for the show: it is near the beginning of a group that low key was a major player on CT/AT from March 95 to the beginning of 2000, Blessid Union of Souls. Also, the debut of a song from a group that was huge for a time but never had a song chart on American Top 40, Blues Traveler. Should be fun!
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Post by Mike on Mar 26, 2023 20:54:05 GMT -5
Finished Top 40 and the last hour had one cool story that the lot of us can understand. "Torn" by Natalie Imbruglia jumped to number nine and he told a story of how people were going to record stores and buying the wrong single. Of course we know why...it hadn't been released as a single yet. Nor would it be, not as a physical single in the States anyway. Now a question for the group: I started listening to Dees 3/25/95. I was excited at first because they had Ray Pruit (Jamie Walters) and Melissa Ethridge guest hosting with Dees. I started the show: the sure shot was "Tell Me When" by Human League which didn't surprise me from a timing standpoint. However, it seems that the show actually starts at number 30. I checked all four hours and I don't think I am wrong...am I missing something here? None of the numbers seemed to match the R and R chart it should have. I gave up and started listening to to CT from the same day. Just my luck...I get a guest host and unfortunately it is not Ray Pruit...sitting in for David Perry this week is Casey Kasem. I kid, I kid...I actually like David. Mark Elliott was my favorite CT guest host, but I certainly am not like others who do not like Perry. I am excited for the show: it is near the beginning of a group that low key was a major player on CT/AT from March 95 to the beginning of 2000, Blessid Union of Souls. Also, the debut of a song from a group that was huge for a time but never had a song chart on American Top 40, Blues Traveler. Should be fun! Two things: 1) You would appear to have the Hot AC version of the Dees show - 4 hours and a countdown actually "starting" at #30 and the numbers not seeming to match R&R would all point to it being Hot AC rather than CHR. 2) Dees is featuring that same chart that's in the CT40 on his app this week. (Due to being a week behind CT40, that would make his the April 1 countdown.)
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