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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 18:06:04 GMT -5
I think the answer to this is yes. In fact, I think I've heard it happen once or twice but just can't place it. But has the follow up to a single debuted in the top 40 while its predecessor was still on the chart and that song fallen out off before the predecessor did? I'm asking in both the BB/AT40 and R&R/CT40-AT40 era.
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Post by freakyflybry on May 11, 2013 18:42:21 GMT -5
Blondie: "Atomic" fell out before "Call Me"
Happened a few times in the R&R era as well.
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Post by pgfromwp on May 11, 2013 18:47:10 GMT -5
It's likely a rare occurrence during the AT40 era; however, in prior years, not so much. For instance, in 1964 The Beatles had 19 songs that charted in the Billboard top 40, of which eight dropped from the top 40 before their immediate predecessor. In chronological order: "I Saw Her Standing There" dropped before its predecessor "I Want to Hold Your Hand" "Please Please Me" dropped before its predecessor "She Loves You" "My Bonnie" dropped before its predecessor "Please Please Me" "Thank You Girl" dropped before its predecessor "Do You Want to Know a Secret" "P.S. I Love You" dropped before its predecessor "Love Me Do" "Ain't She Sweet" dropped before its predecessor "A Hard Day's Night" "I'll Cry Instead" dropped before its predecessor "And I Love Her" "She's a Woman" dropped before its predecessor "I Feel Fine" The Beach Boys also had similar chart occurrences during 1963-1964; however, to a lesser extent with The Beatles, this was due to having the "B" side of a new release chart in the top 40 immediately after its predecessor, then fall off based on relatively limited popularity. I did find a rather obscure post-predecessor dropper in early 1972: Melanie's "The Nickel Song" fell out before "Ring the Living Bell" -- but just barely.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on May 11, 2013 20:13:13 GMT -5
After just checking Walt Bailey's site, I discovered that such rarity did happen on AT40 in the spring of 1987. "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" by Genesis was on its final week on AT40 on 4/25/1987, and the following week fell out but the follow-up, "In Too Deep", debuted at #39 on 5/2/1987. I think Charlie Van Dyke did acknowledge the fact that "Genesis doesn't leave us" and that they come back in with a new hit.
EDIT: I misread the OP's topic. Such event the OP was referring to was the opposite of what I was thinking.
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Post by mct1 on May 11, 2013 21:18:03 GMT -5
In all of the Beatles examples above, either the later song was the B-side of the earlier song, or the songs were on two different record labels (when Beatlemania broke, several Beatles singles containing older material were released by record labels that either already had the U.S. rights to earlier material by the band, or were able to license earlier material from overseas labels). None of the songs in the first column were really the true followups to the songs in the second column. Every song in the first column but one ("Please Please Me") is either a B-side or is very early material from the 1961 Tony Sheridan sessions.
I'm guessing that it was very rare for this to happen in the pre-1991 era with a true followup. Later, as the trend developed towards songs having extremely long chart runs, this may have become a bit more feasible. What was the story with "Atomic"? Was its just a relative flop compared to "Call Me", and came and went before the latter had a chance to fall out of the Top 40?
While I can't think of any examples off the top of my head, my recollection from studying Hot 100 charts from the 1980s is that this would sometimes happen on the Hot 100, typically where the earlier single was a big hit but the later one missed the Top 40.
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Post by at40petebattistini on May 11, 2013 21:58:19 GMT -5
pgfromwp's example of Melanie's hits is similar to a Neil Diamond chart oddity. Diamond's "He Ain't Heavy...He's My Brother" was climbing the chart in late 1970 as his "Do It" debuted and then departed the Top 40 in just a few weeks.
What does Melanie's recordings have to do with Neil Diamond's hits? Their simultaneous charting records were on different labels, eager to capitalize on the artist's popularity.
And under those circumstances, these two examples may not exactly fit paul's definition of "follow-up" singles.
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Post by 1finemrg on May 11, 2013 22:43:55 GMT -5
I have one example:
Linda Rondstadt's cover of Roy Orbison's "Blue Bayou" debuted at #40 on 10/8/77 on its way to peaking at #3 for 4 weeks. It fell out of the Top 40 (26 - 41) on 1/28/78.
Her cover of Buddy Holly/Crickets "It's So Easy" debuted at #34 on 10/29/77 on its way to peaking at #5. It fell out of the Top 40 (30 - 57) the week before (1/21/78).
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Post by freakyflybry on May 11, 2013 23:13:49 GMT -5
Similarly in the "other labels" section: Donna Summer's "Walk Away" was outlasted by "The Wanderer" in 1980.
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Post by woolebull on May 11, 2013 23:24:49 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it happened with Boykrazy on AT40 in 1993. "That's What Love Can Do" outlasted "Good Times With Bad Boys".
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Post by mct1 on May 11, 2013 23:33:30 GMT -5
I actually missed the Melanie reference in pg fromwp's post, but1finemrg is absolutely correct about the circumstances. This also explains how, right around the same time, Melanie became one of the few artists in the Classic AT40 era to have three songs in the Top 40 at the same time. She had one song dropping, one song rising, and one song released by her former record label to cash in on her newfound success.
Those two Linda Ronstadt songs fit the bill better, as they were on two different singles (one wasn't the B-side of the other), and both were current material released by her current record label. But they were released so close together that one could argue that the second wasn't really a followup to the first. The story I've heard is that "Blue Bayou" was aimed mainly at the country market, and "It's So Easy" was aimed mainly at the pop market. (Over the past few years, Ronstadt had seen a fair amount of success on both chart, but sometimes not with the same songs, so her record label decided to do different releases for each.) "Blue Bayou" caught on in a big way with pop audiences, however. This resulted in a situation where, from the point of view of pop audiences, she essentially had two big singles out at the same time, with chart runs that almost exactly paralleled each other.
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on May 12, 2013 5:20:52 GMT -5
More recently on AT40, Ke$ha has accomplished this feat. "Die Young" outlasted "C'mon".
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 8:41:09 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it happened with Boykrazy on AT40 in 1993. "That's What Love Can Do" outlasted "Good Times With Bad Boys". Are you sure "Rhythm is a Dancer" and "Do You Believe in Us" aren't still on that chart to this day?
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Post by mkarns on May 12, 2013 10:23:38 GMT -5
More recently on AT40, Ke$ha has accomplished this feat. "Die Young" outlasted "C'mon". This is pretty common during the AT40 Mediabase (i.e. Ryan Seacrest) era, in which some big hits hang on seemingly forever while followups often underperform, in part because radio won't let go of their predecessor. One recent example that comes to mind is One Direction's "What Makes You Beautiful" which was still on the chart after its followup, "One Thing", had come and gone. "WMYB" was still on when their third hit, "Live While We're Young" was moving up.
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on May 12, 2013 13:28:05 GMT -5
More recently on AT40, Ke$ha has accomplished this feat. "Die Young" outlasted "C'mon". This is pretty common during the AT40 Mediabase (i.e. Ryan Seacrest) era, in which some big hits hang on seemingly forever while followups often underperform, in part because radio won't let go of their predecessor. One recent example that comes to mind is One Direction's "What Makes You Beautiful" which was still on the chart after its followup, "One Thing", had come and gone. "WMYB" was still on when their third hit, "Live While We're Young" was moving up. I think Ellie Goulding is another example here. "Lights" had a good long run on AT40 while its' followup "Anything Can Happen" fell out of the Top 40 before "Lights" did.
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Post by frente on May 12, 2013 20:30:40 GMT -5
Billy Joel was very close when both The river of dreams and All about soul left the AT40 the same week in early 1994.
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