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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 13:31:28 GMT -5
Funny when talking about the late 80s double takes when you hear Casey refer to chart data other than what we all heard on AT40/BB all that time. Because for the 90s, especially 92 and 93 I do one when I hear an AT40 from then. The last time I remembered hearing it was the Top 100 of 1991. I didn't hear it again until I moved to the space coast and heard it on XL 106.7 in December 1993. So when I hear Shadoe referencing things it catches me off guard. Like I'm listening to the show right now from 1/9/93. He said "Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough" peaked at #3. Well, that's been a #1 song ingrained in my head for over 20 years now. So, things like that seem foreign to me since they weren't using the Hot 100 any longer so I have no hard copy to look at. But it's kind of cool to hear the differences. But it further solidifies why R&R replaced them in my mind as the chart authority when it did. The flipside of that for me would be something like "Two Princes" by the Spin Doctors. I was still an AT40 listener in 1993 (and followed the Mainstream Top 40 chart BB printed at the time), so that to me was a #1 smash (seven weeks on top). Imagine my shock years later when I listened to CT40 shows from that time and the song peaked at #2! Did AT40 air here until the the end of the US run? |
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Post by dukelightning on Jan 12, 2013 13:38:56 GMT -5
Funny when talking about the late 80s double takes when you hear Casey refer to chart data other than what we all heard on AT40/BB all that time. Because for the 90s, especially 92 and 93 I do one when I hear an AT40 from then. The last time I remembered hearing it was the Top 100 of 1991. I didn't hear it again until I moved to the space coast and heard it on XL 106.7 in December 1993. So when I hear Shadoe referencing things it catches me off guard. Like I'm listening to the show right now from 1/9/93. He said "Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough" peaked at #3. Well, that's been a #1 song ingrained in my head for over 20 years now. So, things like that seem foreign to me since they weren't using the Hot 100 any longer so I have no hard copy to look at. But it's kind of cool to hear the differences. But it further solidifies why R&R replaced them in my mind as the chart authority when it did. The flipside of that for me would be something like "Two Princes" by the Spin Doctors. I was still an AT40 listener in 1993 (and followed the Mainstream Top 40 chart BB printed at the time), so that to me was a #1 smash (seven weeks on top). Imagine my shock years later when I listened to CT40 shows from that time and the song peaked at #2! My shock re: "Two Princes" was not that long ago when I heard the AT40 Top 100 of 1993 with that song at #1. I did not hear countdown shows much in 1993 and only followed the Hot 100 where said song was only a run of the mill top 10 hit. So I was shocked because I don't associate "Two Princes" with being a big #1 song as I do songs like "That's the Way Love Goes" or "Dreamlover" from that time. That rule about first impressions applies to songs and their chart performance just as it does to people! |
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Post by mstgator on Jan 12, 2013 13:39:23 GMT -5
I lived in Ocala at the time, so I was able to pick up AT40 on XL-106.7 out of Orlando. I can't recall if they carried it all the way into the summer of 1994, but it's possible.
As for Tampa, I'm pretty sure the original AT40 was gone early (I think Q105 was the last station to air it, and they switched to country in 1993... and WFLZ only carried Dees and CT40 from what I remember).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 13:47:08 GMT -5
Ok. Yeah Orlando aired it Saturday mornings from 6-10 until the end. Then they started airing Casey's Top 40 twice a week. In its usual Sunday 8-noon time and the AT40 slot. I listened to that station too living in Titusville.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jan 12, 2013 19:37:00 GMT -5
I can't do that. It ceased to accurately reflect what I feel were actually the top songs in the country. If people really love a song and can't buy the single of it, how would that have reflected positively on a song on the Hot 100? I always have felt airplay and not sales for a few reasons is the best determination. But I also admit I've always been more of a radio listener then would necessarily go buy a cassette or cd. As to be honest, while I lend it credence and will refer to them as #1s or whatever their chart positions were, once audience impressions became the formula I don't think it does either. I wholehearted disagree with you on this one. It's the sales of its single that best determines record's popularity. I have repeatedly said that airplay is the promotion of the song in order to encourage consumers to purchase the record. When a song tops an R&R chart, it just means it was the most promoted record that week in that radio format. But I don't care how many times it's played or how many people hear it on the radio, the bottom line is the record has to sell! If it gets played far more than it sells, it's considered a flop. This is why I feel the Billboard Hot 100 became more accurate after the methodology change in November 1991. As far as airplay for non-single tracks, it's a record company's way of getting you to buy the ALBUM! That song's sales popularity is gonna be reflected on the ALBUM CHART, not the singles chart. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 19:46:39 GMT -5
And thus why I don't care about sales on the singles chart. If you can't buy a single of a song you really like then how is that reflective of anything? That is why I believe radio airplay is the better barometer for a singles chart. We obviously don't agree. That's fine.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jan 12, 2013 20:13:14 GMT -5
Because Billboard got lots of letters in 1992 complaining why several singles were charting so poorly on the Hot 100. (Yes, these were for the ones that WERE available for purchase.) I knew why: They weren't selling! The fans were too busy buying albums & concert tickets (this is pop airplay promoted more of.) But singles near the top of the chart were actually selling - with minimal pop airplay. From a record company standpoint, this is "cheddar."
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jan 12, 2013 22:40:10 GMT -5
Is there a site that lists radio and records chart info?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 23:04:27 GMT -5
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on Jan 13, 2013 8:37:35 GMT -5
Word to the wise: when you look up all acts alphabetically, it's only updated through Surface. After that it's any act alphabetically after with songs post-2006. |
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on Jan 13, 2013 8:40:46 GMT -5
I lived in Ocala at the time, so I was able to pick up AT40 on XL-106.7 out of Orlando. I can't recall if they carried it all the way into the summer of 1994, but it's possible. As for Tampa, I'm pretty sure the original AT40 was gone early (I think Q105 was the last station to air it, and they switched to country in 1993... and WFLZ only carried Dees and CT40 from what I remember). If I'm not mistaken, I think Q105 got rid of AT40 as soon as CT40 was available and they aired CT40 all through the end of their run as a Pop station. CT40 went to 93.3 FLZ soon after. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 11:16:35 GMT -5
I'm curious, did Q105 air the Rockin' America Top 30 Countdown. I can't imagine they didn't air it, but was curious if they did indeed do so and if anyone knows when it aired.
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on Jan 13, 2013 20:03:35 GMT -5
I'm curious, did Q105 air the Rockin' America Top 30 Countdown. I can't imagine they didn't air it, but was curious if they did indeed do so and if anyone knows when it aired. I believe they did for a time which made sense (Scott Shannon used to work there after all and I'm listening to Cruisin' America on the True Oldies Channel as I type!  then the Power Pig snatched "Rockin' America" when it started. I'm sure I read WFLZ having carried the show. Edit: This article from the Tampa Tribune I found via Newsbank (9/28/1990) confirms that Q105 did air "Rockin' America" but at that time had cancelled the show. |
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Post by mkarns on Jan 17, 2013 18:10:47 GMT -5
One curious stat about this show: Casey played as extras what he said were the #1 hits of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. But the song he listed as #1 for the 1970s, Elton John & Kiki Dee's "Don't Go Breaking My Heart", wasn't even #1 for the year 1976, according to Radio & Records. (That distinction went to the Starland Vocal Band's "Afternoon Delight".)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 21:25:46 GMT -5
One curious stat about this show: Casey played as extras what he said were the #1 hits of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s. But the song he listed as #1 for the 1970s, Elton John & Kiki Dee's "Don't Go Breaking My Heart", wasn't even #1 for the year 1976, according to Radio & Records. (That distinction went to the Starland Vocal Band's "Afternoon Delight".) The #1 song of the 90's was not #1 in it's year either and there have been at least 2 occasions where the #1 song of the year was not #1 during the year. Other things that fall under revised Casey Kasem history, in the Top 40 of 89 he lists the following as #1's for their respective years: 79-"Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" by Rod Stewart 84-"When Doves Cry" by Prince 88-"Get Out of My Dreams (Get Into My Car)" by Billy Ocean None of these topped the chart in their respective years on AT40. Although I guess 88 he wouldn't have been revising his history. |
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then the Power Pig snatched "Rockin' America" when it started. I'm sure I read WFLZ having carried the show.