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Post by doomsdaymachine on Dec 8, 2012 17:40:59 GMT -5
I seem to recall seeing on this board that when Lennon was killed, AT40 had already finished production and sent the show out to its affiliates. As a result, Casey and his crew had to return to the studio and cut a new segment that reflected the tragic news.
Of course, there are several people around these parts who know way more about AT40 history than I do and could shed more light on the subject. Mr. Battistini? Dukedeb?
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Post by dukelightning on Dec 8, 2012 18:04:00 GMT -5
Pete is the one who should reply but since you mentioned my name, I will oblige. First of all, the calendar as it relates to AT40's production and John's murder. The show for airing on the weekend following his murder is dated 12/13/80 and it was recorded on the 3rd and/or 4th and then shipped out to the affiliates on the 5th. So when John was murdered on the 8th, AT40 decided to rerecord the segment that included John's "Starting Over". The new segment was recorded on the 9th and shipped out to affiliates that same day. There was a memo sent out as well alerting affiliates to this new segment with instructions on what to do if it arrived in time for the upcoming weekend and what to do if it did not arrive in time. Obviously, if it arrived in time, that segment would replace the segment recorded originally. If it did not arrive in time, then affiliates were instructed to not play the intro or outro to "Starting Over" and just play the song itself (from their own library). Which is what the station that I heard it on back then did. They came out of the break, the AT40 jingle played and then "Starting Over" started. When it ended, they picked up Casey right after he said the outro to that song. So you knew something was up. They also instructed affiliates to remove a question about posthumous hits in the first hour of the show. I don't recall whether that was removed on the station I heard AT40 on.
That is basically what happened. But others can certainly chime in on this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 18:07:24 GMT -5
I believe it was recorded that night and shipped. I mention this because the death threw everything behind. In Robs book it says because of this American Country Countdown which was recorded on Tuesday didn't actually get started until around midnight.
And there was no need to instruct stations to take out the question. ABC Watermark was fortunate in that the question was on the "A" side of the same LP Lennons song was. They just deleted it out themselves and pressed a full new record with the Lennon death tribute on the "B" side. All the stations had to do was replace the original record with that one.
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Post by caseyfan100 on Dec 8, 2012 18:07:33 GMT -5
John Lennon was murdered on a Monday night because most of the country heard the news when Howard Cosell reported it during broadcast on the Monday night football game on ABC.
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Post by mrjukebox on Dec 8, 2012 19:43:42 GMT -5
I'll never forget Casey's thoughts on the passing of John Lennon-That was truly memorable.
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Post by matt on Dec 10, 2012 12:39:36 GMT -5
Pete is the one who should reply but since you mentioned my name, I will oblige. First of all, the calendar as it relates to AT40's production and John's murder. The show for airing on the weekend following his murder is dated 12/13/80 and it was recorded on the 3rd and/or 4th and then shipped out to the affiliates on the 5th. So when John was murdered on the 8th, AT40 decided to rerecord the segment that included John's "Starting Over". The new segment was recorded on the 9th and shipped out to affiliates that same day. There was a memo sent out as well alerting affiliates to this new segment with instructions on what to do if it arrived in time for the upcoming weekend and what to do if it did not arrive in time. Obviously, if it arrived in time, that segment would replace the segment recorded originally. If it did not arrive in time, then affiliates were instructed to not play the intro or outro to "Starting Over" and just play the song itself (from their own library). Which is what the station that I heard it on back then did. They came out of the break, the AT40 jingle played and then "Starting Over" started. When it ended, they picked up Casey right after he said the outro to that song. So you knew something was up. They also instructed affiliates to remove a question about posthumous hits in the first hour of the show. I don't recall whether that was removed on the station I heard AT40 on. That is basically what happened. But others can certainly chime in on this. Dukedeb--that's the way I understand it. I wouldn't have known the date on which the replacement segment was recorded, with Casey and the staff being called back into the studio on a moment's notice. I think it's the only time during Casey's first run that a replacement segment was recorded after the show was initially completed. Interestingly enough, XM--back when they were airing the 80s shows--played the 12/13/80 show, and included both the posthumous hits question in the first hour and the replacement segment for "Starting Over". It would be interesting to know how many stations at the time aired the replacement segment, and how many ended up having to do what dukedeb's station did.
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Post by jlthorpe on Dec 10, 2012 19:10:23 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, XM--back when they were airing the 80s shows--played the 12/13/80 show, and included both the posthumous hits question in the first hour and the replacement segment for "Starting Over". It would be interesting to know how many stations at the time aired the replacement segment, and how many ended up having to do what dukedeb's station did. I've heard the 12/13/80 show on XM a couple of times and don't remember them playing the Lennon tribute. But it did air a few times, according to www.lionking.org/~shadow/afl/at40onxm.html , so maybe one of the airings did have the tribute.
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Post by matt on Dec 10, 2012 20:55:20 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, XM--back when they were airing the 80s shows--played the 12/13/80 show, and included both the posthumous hits question in the first hour and the replacement segment for "Starting Over". It would be interesting to know how many stations at the time aired the replacement segment, and how many ended up having to do what dukedeb's station did. I've heard the 12/13/80 show on XM a couple of times and don't remember them playing the Lennon tribute. But it did air a few times, according to www.lionking.org/~shadow/afl/at40onxm.html , so maybe one of the airings did have the tribute. I'll come clean...I have the 12/13/80 show from XM, and it includes both the posthumous hits question and the Lennon tribute at #3...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 21:03:12 GMT -5
I understand this show has also aired previously on the AT40:The 80s. Was the question on posthumous hits on that airing? Of so, I'm thinking those in charge of the show at Premiere may have determined that after all these years the question wouldn't be offensive whereas it would have been deemed so when the show first aired.
I used to have the show with both the original commentary, and the one with the tribute. But I think I only have the tribute version now.
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Post by vto66 on Dec 10, 2012 21:35:28 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, I believe my local AT40 affiliate at the time (KYA) played the updated version with the Lennon tribute. Can anyone who listened to AT40 on KYA at the time back me up on this...or do they remember differently?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 21:38:20 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, I believe my local AT40 affiliate at the time (KYA) played the updated version with the Lennon tribute. Can anyone who listened to AT40 on KYA at the time back me up on this...or do they remember differently? Not the Lennon tribute part. I was asking if they included the listener question about posthumous songs.
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Post by vto66 on Dec 10, 2012 21:40:15 GMT -5
I think the local station did include the "posthumous hits" question. Again, I may remember differently than other people.
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Post by snarfdude on Dec 10, 2012 22:17:18 GMT -5
funny enough, the station I worked for got a demo set of discs for the 12/13/80 show....it was missing a 4th disc....so I have the box and 3 of the discs....fortunately enough, one of them was the pre-rerecording of john lennon's tribute. I managed to piece together a CD as a "emergency replacement disc" and the missing sides to fill in the blanks.
I didn't realize the significance of the show until I read the book.
any idea where I can get a copy of the memo?
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Post by at40petebattistini on Dec 12, 2012 6:14:42 GMT -5
^Are you referring to Rob's book?
Not to be self-promoting, but I dedicated 6-7 pages in my 80s book to just the December 13, 1980 (John Lennon) program. From AT40 documents to fan comments to transcribed portions and an overall descriptive summary of the program, I believe the story is fairly presented. Perhaps someone who has a copy can offer additional perspective.
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Post by donwa001 on Dec 12, 2012 21:10:32 GMT -5
I have the vinyl records for that show along with the cue sheet.
Here is what the cue sheet lists:
#38 TOGETHER (B) Tierra QL: Posthumous Acts to Hit The Top 40 #37 HE'S SO SHY (B) Pointer Sisters
But the question is not read in the newly pressed 1A disk.
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