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Post by djjoe1960 on Nov 17, 2020 8:49:28 GMT -5
1973 – “Roll Over Beethoven” (Electric Light Orchestra; #42*) *a Billboard error likely prevented this from becoming their 1st Top 40 hit ELO's Roll Over Ludwig song did become their first Top 40 hit in Record World making it to #31, but as you site Pete didn't make the Top 40 in Billboard (or Cash Box (#48 peak)).
Perhaps the singles length, almost 4 and a half minutes, kept many Top 40 stations from playing it.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Nov 17, 2020 9:53:00 GMT -5
1973 – “Roll Over Beethoven” (Electric Light Orchestra; #42*) *a Billboard error likely prevented this from becoming their 1st Top 40 hit ELO's Roll Over Ludwig song did become their first Top 40 hit in Record World making it to #31, but as you site Pete didn't make the Top 40 in Billboard (or Cash Box (#48 peak)).
Perhaps the singles length, almost 4 and a half minutes, kept many Top 40 stations from playing it.
That's quite possible. Although, the wikipedia page for "Roll Over Beethoven" notes that in Chicago, ELO's version received significant Top 40 airplay, reaching the Top 10 on two AM stations. However, what is really intriguing, the producers of Opus '73 used part of the song in their year-end special's demo presentation to radio stations. And yet it failed to place among their countdown's Top 100 singles. Maybe a timing issue there too. And all the more reason why it deserved to be a bigger hit.  |
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Post by mga707 on Nov 17, 2020 11:22:24 GMT -5
1973 – “Roll Over Beethoven” (Electric Light Orchestra; #42*) *a Billboard error likely prevented this from becoming their 1st Top 40 hit ELO's Roll Over Ludwig song did become their first Top 40 hit in Record World making it to #31, but as you site Pete didn't make the Top 40 in Billboard (or Cash Box (#48 peak)).
Perhaps the singles length, almost 4 and a half minutes, kept many Top 40 stations from playing it.
And that single edit is cut down by nearly half from the 8 minute+ album cut. But I agree with Pete, it probably would have gotten into the 30s if not for 'Billboard's' June '73 change in methodology--the same change that made "Back When My Hair Was Short" a 'one week and done' #40 peaker. |
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Post by slf on Nov 17, 2020 19:45:51 GMT -5
Took some time with this post – way too many worthy songs IMHO. In fact, quite a few great ones posted up ‘til now. It was a difficult task to ID one per year, but here goes… with artist and Billboard peak information in parentheses. 1968 – “Run To Me” (The Montanas; bubbled under peak of #121) 1969 – “Don’t It Make You Want To Go Home” (Joe South; #41) 1970 – “Our World” (Blue Mink; #64) 1971 – “Anytime Sunshine” (Crazy Paving; bubbled under peak of #103) 1972 – “Walk In The Night” (Jr. Walker & The All-Stars; #46) 1973 – “Roll Over Beethoven” (Electric Light Orchestra; #42*) 1974 – “Good Things Don’t Last Forever” (Ecstasy, Passion & Pain; #93) 1975 – “7-6-5-4-3-2-1 (Blow Your Whistle)” (Gary Toms Empire; #46) 1976 – “Can’t Hide Love” (Earth, Wind & Fire; #39) 1977 – “Another Star” (Stevie Wonder; #32) 1978 – “You Really Got Me” (Van Halen; #36) *a Billboard error likely prevented this from becoming their 1st Top 40 hit Wow, it's so great to see that another regular poster shares my love and enthusiasm for "Run To Me" by the Montanas! I discovered that fantastic gem from a Montanas greatest hits CD I bought years ago entitled "You've Got To Be Loved" (named after their only minor US hit, also a fantastic song). Despite its pathetic bubbling under status, "Run To Me" was a major hit in Chicago, hitting the top ten at both AM Top 40 powerhouse stations, WLS and WCFL. If it's still available and affordable on Amazon, it may be worth your while to order a copy of the above-mentioned Montanas CD; it's full of fine songs that could have become hits if the band had gotten a break here in the states. |
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Post by secretman on Nov 23, 2020 19:21:22 GMT -5
Mazzy Star - Fade Into You, #44 November 26, 1994
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Post by dth1971 on Nov 24, 2020 9:52:51 GMT -5
From a month ago: If it wasn't for the odd 1982 Billboard Hot 100 chart runs for songs even holding for a few to several weeks in peak positions, would Air Supply's "Young Love" been another top 5 song instead of a #38 peak?
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Post by giannirubino on Nov 25, 2020 11:16:52 GMT -5
dth1971, this is just anecdotal, but in the greater NYC area, AS's "Young Love" was mostly ignored. Only some of the Adult Contemporary stations played it, and only for a week or two, and barely at that. One of the local automated pop stations played it only the two weeks it was in the Billboard top 40, and also, barely at that.
Compare that to "Two Less Lonely People In The World," which felt like a strong top 40 and AC hit, even though it didn't reach the top 30 pop. AC stations were all over it, and I'd guess around half of the pop stations played it like it was a strong hit.
Hmmm, let's compare "YL" to Timothy B. Schmit's cover of The Tymes' "So Much In Love," which was peaking at #59 pop, but hit #1 AC ... that was everywhere, especially on the AC stations, but played regularly on about half of the pop stations.
And, I see a song at #58, Bill Medley's "Right Here & Now," a song I NEVER heard on any station at any time in Fall 1982, or EVER, until I jumped on the Internet in the late 1990s.
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Post by chrislc on Nov 25, 2020 15:01:35 GMT -5
From a month ago: If it wasn't for the odd 1982 Billboard Hot 100 chart runs for songs even holding for a few to several weeks in peak positions, would Air Supply's "Young Love" been another top 5 song instead of a #38 peak? Something happened very late in 1982. I don't know if the British Invasion #2 was the cause, or one of the causes, or just one of the effects, but the days of Urban Cowboy crossover and really soft yacht rock came to a sudden end and Air Supply was an understandable casualty. I guess Jim Steinman's production was strong enough to offset that for one hit a year later. The recession bottomed out in November 1982 and things began to look better, and maybe that was more than just a coincidence. I think America turned a page at that point. |
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Post by bobbo428 on Nov 28, 2020 23:53:55 GMT -5
From a month ago: If it wasn't for the odd 1982 Billboard Hot 100 chart runs for songs even holding for a few to several weeks in peak positions, would Air Supply's "Young Love" been another top 5 song instead of a #38 peak? Something happened very late in 1982. I don't know if the British Invasion #2 was the cause, or one of the causes, or just one of the effects, but the days of Urban Cowboy crossover and really soft yacht rock came to a sudden end and Air Supply was an understandable casualty. I guess Jim Steinman's production was strong enough to offset that for one hit a year later. The recession bottomed out in November 1982 and things began to look better, and maybe that was more than just a coincidence. I think America turned a page at that point. I believe that MTV was becoming very popular as well, causing many soft-rock acts' fortunes to plummet on pop radio. |
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Post by bobbo428 on Nov 28, 2020 23:57:41 GMT -5
The mid-late 1990s was a dark era in American music. One of the few bright spots was New Radicals You Get What You Give. Today I hear it as much if not more than any song from that regrettable period. It definitely punches way above its tepid #36 peak. That song reached No. 1 on my personal chart in early 1999. It seemed that in the mid or late 1990s, catchy tunes had a hard time on the Hot 100, but bland, insipid fare (especially Babyface-produced R&B pop) or nasty-sounding hip-hop or cliched modern rock would soar straight to the top. |
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Post by 1finemrg on Nov 29, 2020 6:52:56 GMT -5
Took some time with this post – way too many worthy songs IMHO. In fact, quite a few great ones posted up ‘til now. It was a difficult task to ID one per year, but here goes… with artist and Billboard peak information in parentheses. 1968 – “Run To Me” (The Montanas; bubbled under peak of #121) 1969 – “Don’t It Make You Want To Go Home” (Joe South; #41) 1970 – “Our World” (Blue Mink; #64) 1971 – “Anytime Sunshine” (Crazy Paving; bubbled under peak of #103) 1972 – “Walk In The Night” (Jr. Walker & The All-Stars; #46) 1973 – “Roll Over Beethoven” (Electric Light Orchestra; #42*) 1974 – “Good Things Don’t Last Forever” (Ecstasy, Passion & Pain; #93) 1975 – “7-6-5-4-3-2-1 (Blow Your Whistle)” (Gary Toms Empire; #46) 1976 – “Can’t Hide Love” (Earth, Wind & Fire; #39) 1977 – “Another Star” (Stevie Wonder; #32) 1978 – “You Really Got Me” (Van Halen; #36) *a Billboard error likely prevented this from becoming their 1st Top 40 hit Tony Hatch had a hand in the Montanas' songs along with his then wife Jackie Trent. Tony also did production work with most, if not all, Petula Clark's hits. I was fortunate to get both "Run To Me" and "You've Got To Be Loved" on Bob Stroud's Rock & Roll Roots charity CDs (Volumes 5 & 6) released in the late 90s through the 2000s. |
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Post by mrjukebox on Nov 29, 2020 8:37:17 GMT -5
On Van Halen's self titled debut which was released in early 1978,the instrumental "Eruption" which features the late great Eddie Van Halen goes right into "You Really Got Me"-The guys did a great cover of "YRGM"-It should've made the top ten.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Nov 29, 2020 10:16:57 GMT -5
Took some time with this post – way too many worthy songs IMHO. In fact, quite a few great ones posted up ‘til now. It was a difficult task to ID one per year, but here goes… with artist and Billboard peak information in parentheses. 1968 – “Run To Me” (The Montanas; bubbled under peak of #121) 1969 – “Don’t It Make You Want To Go Home” (Joe South; #41) 1970 – “Our World” (Blue Mink; #64) 1971 – “Anytime Sunshine” (Crazy Paving; bubbled under peak of #103) 1972 – “Walk In The Night” (Jr. Walker & The All-Stars; #46) 1973 – “Roll Over Beethoven” (Electric Light Orchestra; #42*) 1974 – “Good Things Don’t Last Forever” (Ecstasy, Passion & Pain; #93) 1975 – “7-6-5-4-3-2-1 (Blow Your Whistle)” (Gary Toms Empire; #46) 1976 – “Can’t Hide Love” (Earth, Wind & Fire; #39) 1977 – “Another Star” (Stevie Wonder; #32) 1978 – “You Really Got Me” (Van Halen; #36) *a Billboard error likely prevented this from becoming their 1st Top 40 hit Tony Hatch had a hand in the Montanas' songs along with his then wife Jackie Trent. Tony also did production work with most, if not all, Petula Clark's hits. I was fortunate to get both "Run To Me" and "You've Got To Be Loved" on Bob Stroud's Rock & Roll Roots charity CDs (Volumes 5 & 6) released in the late 90s through the 2000s. Got to look for those Bob Stroud CDs. Thanks. |
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jun 9, 2021 17:00:02 GMT -5
The mid-late 1990s was a dark era in American music. One of the few bright spots was New Radicals You Get What You Give. Today I hear it as much if not more than any song from that regrettable period. It definitely punches way above its tepid #36 peak. That song reached No. 1 on my personal chart in early 1999. It seemed that in the mid or late 1990s, catchy tunes had a hard time on the Hot 100, but bland, insipid fare (especially Babyface-produced R&B pop) or nasty-sounding hip-hop or cliched modern rock would soar straight to the top. The only reason this song was even a minor hit is it benefitted from the pop resurgence brought on by the holy trinity of B. Spears, Backstreet Boys and N'Sync. If it had come out in 1995, it wouldn't have been a hit at all for the reasons you mention. In contrast, if this had come out in 1985, I think it would have been one of the biggest hits of the decade. It probably didn't help Alexander himself contributed to the mediocre chart fate by not wanting to do a lot of promotion. He was very anti establishment and hated the record industry. It's one thing to have that attitude if you are Don Henley and your career is over with a gazillion$ in the bank. It is another if you are still trying to gain traction in the music business you have chosen as a profession. |
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Post by LC on Jun 9, 2021 17:14:23 GMT -5
A few that still sadden me:
"Destination Unknown"--Missing Persons (#42, 1982)
"Fields of Fire"--Big Country (#52, 1984)
"Beat of a Heart"--Scandal (#41, 1985)
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