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Post by mrjukebox on Jan 21, 2009 20:06:26 GMT -5
Rob Durkee was part of the "Whiplash Acrobatic Ensemble" during the Shadoe Stevens era of "AT40".
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Post by jaxxalude on Jul 21, 2009 19:12:18 GMT -5
Not true, as pointed out above. In its "heyday," CT40 was the champ of the top 40 shows. It fell victim to the fragmentation of the CHR format. For instance, Casey lost New York in late 1994 when WHTZ flipped to an alternative format. He returned to the Big Apple when Mix 105.1 (WMXV) added "Casey's Hot 20" in early 1995. That ended when the station flipped...to an alternative format. (Never thought about that odd coincidence until now...) Casey wasn't heard in NYC again until the AMFM shows began in March 1998. And that was apparently exactly the problem. He wasn't being heard in some major markets, thus effecting the total audience and revenue numbers for the show...so dramatically that it was apparently these facts that allowed Casey to exercise a clause in his contract to leave WW1, which even resulted in a lawsuit. Two things: - Even though modern rock music dominated the majority of Z100's playlist during the 1994-1996 period, it never flipped to an Alternative format. In fact, one look here will tell you that there was still a healthy dose of non-Alternative music being played on Z100 during those years.
- This one is just mere trivia. WMXV has endured four - count 'em, four! - format flips and five - count 'em, five! - call letters. These days, they're Power 105.1 (WWPR), New York's second biggest Urban station - right behind powerhouse Hot 97, of course.
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Post by Mike Schwartz on Jul 22, 2009 4:59:37 GMT -5
Not true, as pointed out above. In its "heyday," CT40 was the champ of the top 40 shows. It fell victim to the fragmentation of the CHR format. For instance, Casey lost New York in late 1994 when WHTZ flipped to an alternative format. He returned to the Big Apple when Mix 105.1 (WMXV) added "Casey's Hot 20" in early 1995. That ended when the station flipped...to an alternative format. (Never thought about that odd coincidence until now...) Casey wasn't heard in NYC again until the AMFM shows began in March 1998. And that was apparently exactly the problem. He wasn't being heard in some major markets, thus effecting the total audience and revenue numbers for the show...so dramatically that it was apparently these facts that allowed Casey to exercise a clause in his contract to leave WW1, which even resulted in a lawsuit. Two things: - Even though modern rock music dominated the majority of Z100's playlist during the 1994-1996 period, it never flipped to an Alternative format. In fact, one look here will tell you that there was still a healthy dose of non-Alternative music being played on Z100 during those years.
- This one is just mere trivia. WMXV has endured four - count 'em, four! - format flips and five - count 'em, five! - call letters. These days, they're Power 105.1 (WWPR), New York's second biggest Urban station - right behind powerhouse Hot 97, of course.
WHTZ-Z100 was never an alternative station! In the summer of '93, PD Steve Kingston noticed the spike in sales for alternative titles like Pearl Jam and Nirvana and experimented by playing several alternative titles on the overnight show with a great degree of success. As a result, the station broadened its arsenal of alternative titles-while still playing lots of pop like Ace of Base, Boyz II Men and Toni Braxton. Initially, this seemed to work as their cume rose for the first time since Scott Shannon left in early 1989. The fairest classification would be to call the station from mid 93-early 96 an Alternative leaning CHR. Overtime however, the audience enthusiasm for this approach dwindled and the arrival of two new formats in the market helped end this era. In early 96, WXRK flipped from Classic Rock to Alternative (keeping Howard Stern in the morning) and WYNY flipped from Country to CHR Rhythmic as WKTU-basically clearing the way for Z100 to resume its brand as a mainstream CHR. The arrival of the Tom Poleman team from KRBE with Paul Cubby Bryant as MD and Sharon Dastur as APD helped rebuild the station back into the hitradio powerhouse that it had been since Aug 2, 1983 and right through to this day. Kingston and another Z100 veteran Sam Milkman jumped over to WXRK to guide it through its Alternative transition. BTW, even though CT40 was no longer aired during those alternative leaning CHR days, if memory serves correctly, Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 was on each Saturday morning throughout most of the 90s. |
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Post by adam31 on Jun 1, 2011 19:52:43 GMT -5
CT40 didn't have a great number of affiliates when it was actually airing (in the mid to late 90's especially). I believe "Casey's Hot 20" was probably more widely heard. As such, reruns seem less likely to me than an AT40 type situation. But maybe I'm wrong. Especially after some time passes. Actually, I read in Rob Durkee's book (which I just got through the mail last week) that CT40 had, as of 1992, more affilliates than either Rick Dees or the then-Shadoe-hosted AT40. Perhaps the number of affiliates declined over the next several years, though. I'd like it if someone could do a Premiere-type rebroadcast of Casey's Top 40: The 90s, but that would leave out nearly two years of the decade unless it were coupled with his 1998-99 AT40 shows (like Westwood One will ever let that happen.)  At least Dees gives us the whole decade with the same host. Looking to the future, if anyone ever decides to run "American Top 40: The 2000s" rebroadcasts there might not be the same legal issues or missing masters, but jumping back and forth between Casey Kasem and Ryan Seacrest-hosted shows might confuse many, not least because of their differing styles. I really hope Premiere will choose to run the 90s shows someday. Here is why I believe it could be done: 1. As referenced above, about two missing years from the show might cause them not to air it - this is no different than the current AT40 the 80s, where almost two years are missing (Aug 1988-Dec 1989), so I don't see why this would be a stopping point. 2. Premiere owns the rights to these shows for some reason. Why have the rights if you're not going to do anything with them? 3. Westwood One may have destroyed the masters, but isn't it true that most of the AT40 masters were also lost and wouldn't exist today if it weren't for Shannon Lynn and the personal collections of fans like us? I'm almost positive that someone somewhere has all the shows and would provide them for remastering if needed. Hope in the next five years we are discussing 90s shows airing like we are now with the 70s and 80s! |
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Post by shadster on Jun 1, 2011 22:22:22 GMT -5
All the shows have already been remastered! Shannon may still have a few missing shows here an there but almost all of em are done. At this point, its just a matter of if or when Premiere will give the go ahead.
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Post by mrjukebox on Jun 1, 2011 22:24:06 GMT -5
If Premiere decided to syndicate the vintage episodes of "Casey's Top 40",do you think they would air on stations that have a CHR (Contemporary Hit Radio) format?
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Jun 1, 2011 22:33:47 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone has ALL of the LP or original CD CT40 shows, but I'm sure that all of them are out there somewhere. A comprehensive list of the LP or original CD CT40 shows that are missing can be found on the main page of www.charismusicgroup.com and if anyone here has any of those, please contact Shannon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 7:56:34 GMT -5
Actually, I read in Rob Durkee's book (which I just got through the mail last week) that CT40 had, as of 1992, more affilliates than either Rick Dees or the then-Shadoe-hosted AT40. Perhaps the number of affiliates declined over the next several years, though. I'd like it if someone could do a Premiere-type rebroadcast of Casey's Top 40: The 90s, but that would leave out nearly two years of the decade unless it were coupled with his 1998-99 AT40 shows (like Westwood One will ever let that happen.) At least Dees gives us the whole decade with the same host. Looking to the future, if anyone ever decides to run "American Top 40: The 2000s" rebroadcasts there might not be the same legal issues or missing masters, but jumping back and forth between Casey Kasem and Ryan Seacrest-hosted shows might confuse many, not least because of their differing styles. I really hope Premiere will choose to run the 90s shows someday. Here is why I believe it could be done: 1. As referenced above, about two missing years from the show might cause them not to air it - this is no different than the current AT40 the 80s, where almost two years are missing (Aug 1988-Dec 1989), so I don't see why this would be a stopping point. 2. Premiere owns the rights to these shows for some reason. Why have the rights if you're not going to do anything with them? 3. Westwood One may have destroyed the masters, but isn't it true that most of the AT40 masters were also lost and wouldn't exist today if it weren't for Shannon Lynn and the personal collections of fans like us? I'm almost positive that someone somewhere has all the shows and would provide them for remastering if needed. Hope in the next five years we are discussing 90s shows airing like we are now with the 70s and 80s! If they ever decided to run CT40, there is no reason to think they couldn't mesh the 89 shows in with the 80's, and mesh the 98-99 AT40's in with a CT40 90's show. It's the same host, and one would think this is the big hangup as to why they won't air the others. There have been other instances in other portions of media and history where people try to sweep someone or something under the rug and pretend they/it never existed to the annoyance of many. They seem to have the opinion (like Premiere seems to) that most people are stupid, and if you are honest about the full history of something then people will be shocked, offended, and turn it off. One day they come to realize most everyone knows about the history anyway, and they have been the ones looking like morons the whole time denying it. Truthfully, I think the day is going to come when a person responsible for overseeing this show will decide to acknowledge true history and bring back the Shadoe Stevens shows from the ash heap. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 7:58:29 GMT -5
If Premiere decided to syndicate the vintage episodes of "Casey's Top 40",do you think they would air on stations that have a CHR (Contemporary Hit Radio) format? Doubtful. It would probably air on stations like the GenX format, perhaps Jack format, and HAC stations that have a good emphasis on 90's music. Sure, there may be a few stragglers from CHR, Talk radio, etc who air it but I would imagine it will be mainly those I mentioned. |
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Jun 2, 2011 10:30:07 GMT -5
Most businesses choose to wait until the time when it would be most feasible in their opinion to do so. My experiences from seeing my dad operate as a businessmen--show that most are very careful and cautious when making decisions such as these. That's why I wonder whether Premiere is acting in a similar manner, weighing all the pros and cons of doing so before making a decision. Perhaps they already have and have concluded that the time is not right yet.
I remember when I started looking for AT40 and CT40 shows, that I had a hard time finding them. When I had almost totally given up hope of doing so, I came into contact with others doing the same thing. I also remember talking to others about the idea of ever hearing these shows being broadcast again and just about the time that we had all concluded that they never would, the AT40 Flashback series began. Given all of this, the same thing will probably happen as regards the CT40 shows.
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Post by dukelightning on Jun 2, 2011 11:41:47 GMT -5
My guess is that it is legal and compensation issues as opposed to popularity or missing years of the decade that are holding up broadcast of either AT40 or CT40 90s shows. That decade is a bit unwieldy as compared to the 70s and 80s but not enough to keep it from being aired someday.
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Post by mkarns on Jun 2, 2011 12:25:44 GMT -5
If Premiere decided to syndicate the vintage episodes of "Casey's Top 40",do you think they would air on stations that have a CHR (Contemporary Hit Radio) format? Doubtful. It would probably air on stations like the GenX format, perhaps Jack format, and HAC stations that have a good emphasis on 90's music. Sure, there may be a few stragglers from CHR, Talk radio, etc who air it but I would imagine it will be mainly those I mentioned. Stations with the Jack/Bob/whoever format are free form-ish in theory, but in actuality tend to concentrate on certain genres or periods (usually from the 70s and after.) A 90s countdown would fit well on a station like WQSR, where it would be a good complement to the 80s AT40 (one on Saturday and one on Sunday, perhaps?) Hot AC would another good format for it (soft AC not so much, though if Casey's Countdown or one of his other AC shows were syndicated it would obviously be a good fit for them.) Some stations blur the line between CHR and Hot AC and a 90s retro countdown might fit there, but while pure CHR stations do sometimes slip 90s recurrents in I don't think many will go for a four hour 90s show with more obscure/less remembered songs. Probably the only way most of them would play a retro AT40 would be if the Ryan Seacrest shows were rerun, and those aren't very retro as of yet. Perhaps to experiment, maybe Premiere could play CT40s from 1989 as part of its 80s package? Aside from some now-superficial differences (the title, "Request and Dedications", and Radio and Records), I don't think most listeners today would notice much difference and would still appreciate Casey and the music. |
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Post by jaxxalude on Jun 2, 2011 13:26:48 GMT -5
Look, as hard as it is to admit it, I think that when the time comes, CT40 will be consigned to the dustbin of History and Dees will likely be the one to be broadcast once the 90's nostalgia fully kicks in. In many ways, Dees encapsulates the 90's style of radio much more than Casey ever did, and that in itself is a major factor. Besides, for an audience that had its teens/young adult years during the 90's, Dees was most likely their choice over Casey, since its dynamic and energy spoke much more to them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2011 20:45:42 GMT -5
Look, as hard as it is to admit it, I think that when the time comes, CT40 will be consigned to the dustbin of History and Dees will likely be the one to be broadcast once the 90's nostalgia fully kicks in. In many ways, Dees encapsulates the 90's style of radio much more than Casey ever did, and that in itself is a major factor. Besides, for an audience that had its teens/young adult years during the 90's, Dees was most likely their choice over Casey, since its dynamic and energy spoke much more to them. I disagree for one reason. His 80's show nor his 90's show now have much of an affiliate base. It may expand some over time, but I don't think his show will reach anything CT40 being re-released wouldn't match or surpass. Just my opinion of course. I lived in one major and mid-major market in the 90's, Orlando and Jacksonville respectively. Unless you lived in Daytona Beach or the Space Coast, you could not receive the Dees shows because those were the areas (smaller) that received that show. Orlando did not. Jacksonville never had Dees until 1999 so far as I know. The CHR station in both Jacksonville (WAPE) and Orlando (WXXL) always aired Casey's show. XL also aired Shadoe's AT40 until it ceased domestic distribution in 1994. So while I can't speak for every market nationwide, I am sure there were many other markets Rick Dees was not in. |
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Jun 2, 2011 22:36:10 GMT -5
My guess is that it is legal and compensation issues as opposed to popularity or missing years of the decade that are holding up broadcast of either AT40 or CT40 90s shows. That decade is a bit unwieldy as compared to the 70s and 80s but not enough to keep it from being aired someday. You could be right, Dukedeb! From everything I've heard on this board, Premiere does have the rights to CT40 but the question that remains is whether or not Westwood One, the original owner of CT40, would have retained any rights or could stop Premiere from rebroadcasting CT40 The reason I ask is that Westwood One was very upset (Read Rob's book for more information on this) when Casey left to restart AT40 in 1998 and from what I heard on this board earlier, Westwood One destroyed all its CT40 originals, forcing Shannon to search elsewhere for LPs and CDs sent to radio stations for broadcasting so that he could build the CT40 archive for Premiere. |
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At least Dees gives us the whole decade with the same host.