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Post by Mike on Jan 6, 2012 14:05:42 GMT -5
Look away was peaking at the end of the year '88 correct? So that means it got the benefit of the "frozen week"? And this frozen week was counted towards its totals I presume. I think you're right. The three top songs on the last chart of 1988, including the "frozen" week, were also the top three of the year for 1989 (though not all in the same positions); the two others in the top 5 that week were "Giving You the Best That I Got" and "Waiting For a Star to Fall", which ranked #10 and #12 for 1989 even though they only peaked at #3 and #5, respectively. You can see evidence in the 1987 and 1988 year end charts of the "frozen" week probably being counted with the top of those charts being heavy on hits from the previous December/January. (Note that the #1 songs of 1987, 88, and 89 all topped the chart in December of the previous year.) I find it difficult to escape the conclusion that their methodology of that time gave an (arguably unfair) advantage to songs that were hits at that time of year, though past yearend shows had some even odder or more inexplicable results. Does it matter if said frozen week wasn't at #1? That went to Every Rose Has Its Thorn, which hit #1 on the last weekly show of '88.
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Post by michaelcasselman on Jan 6, 2012 14:07:16 GMT -5
I think 'Look Away' had actually dropped from #1 by then, not getting any benefit of being the #1 'on' the frozen week, but it was still high enough to probably get any 'extra points' possibly afforded to a top 5/top3 hit (assuming they awarded anything to a song other than #1) for that skip week.
What may have contributed more to it's high placement was a slow moving chart (and subsequent longer duration in the top 40) early in the '89 survey-year. By Spring/Summer of '89, there was a quicker turnover of number 1's (with the exception of 'Toy Soldiers' and 'Right Here Waiting', there was a succession of blink-and-you'd-miss-them #1's... like 'Hangin' Tough' and 'Batdance') with relatively shorter chart runs.
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Post by vince on Jan 7, 2012 17:54:27 GMT -5
What caused “Look Away” to be #1 was its whole chart run being counted and being at #3 the frozen week. The combination a the whole chart run and a high position during the frozen week contributed to all the songs that were #1 for the year in the late 80s ranking at #1. I did rank 1989 using AT40's Power Point Formula (used by AT40 from 1982-1984 and 1990 - 1994) and I got “Miss You Much” as at #1 and “Look Away” at #4.
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Post by marv101 on Jan 7, 2012 20:46:13 GMT -5
The R&R top 40 panel lost several dozen reporters over the course of the nineties, many of which either evolved into Hot AC stations, or just left the format.
There were only 135 reporters on 12-12-97 when 'Tubthumping' was #1, as opposed to the entire panel of 235 stations (and 350+ stations of all formats) which added 'We Are The World' out of the box in 1985.
That dropoff in the size of the top 40 format reporting panel didn't start until the late eighties, since the top 40 format was untouchable for most of the eighties after an early-eighties re-invention of the format at KIIS-FM under PD Gerry DeFrancesco and Rick Dees doing wakeups, which engineered a coast-coast explosion of the format's popularity.
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Apr 30, 2012 15:02:49 GMT -5
The operative word here is "if". Premiere will go into the 90s only if and when they feel ready to do so. Like you, I'm really looking forward to that day and have posted several times on the issue but the only way that we can hope to get them to move closer is to contact Premiere and let them know that we're interested in hearing either Casey shows from the 1990s and/or Shadoe AT40. Even then, who knows? Wonder what effect the beginning of rebroadcasts of Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 shows from the 90s may have on Premiere's thinking about this subject?
I think we can count SXM out as far as Casey or Shadoe 90s shows are concerned, at least in the short run. They have been talking about an in house countdown on 90s on 9 hosted by its DJs and it's scheduled to begin at some point in May or June.
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Post by mkarns on Apr 30, 2012 15:09:02 GMT -5
The operative word here is "if". Premiere will go into the 90s only if and when they feel ready to do so. Like you, I'm really looking forward to that day and have posted several times on the issue but the only way that we can hope to get them to move closer is to contact Premiere and let them know that we're interested in hearing either Casey shows from the 1990s and/or Shadoe AT40. Even then, who knows? I think we can count SXM out as far as Casey or Shadoe 90s shows are concerned, at least in the short run. They have been talking about an in house countdown on 90s on 9 hosted by its DJs and it's scheduled to begin at some point in May or June. The 90s on 9 countdown will probably be similar to the 60s, 80s, and 2000s shows they currently do. It's supposed to begin Memorial Day weekend. I bet the wait is in part due to the need to find copies of all those hit songs that they never play!
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on May 13, 2012 15:38:53 GMT -5
I just re-read the chapter from Rob's book that talks about the re-birth of AT40 in 1998. Given Westwood One's reaction to Casey leaving them to restart AT40 (they fought hard to prevent him from doing so), and their alleged destruction of Casey's Top 40 masters and, assuming that they could stop Premiere from rebroadcasting CT40 (if Premiere made the decision to do so), then we would never hear those shows being rebroadcast.
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Post by matt on May 13, 2012 17:46:40 GMT -5
Supposedly Premiere does own the rights to CT40, which would mean they would probably do whatever they wanted with them and WW1 wouldn't have much of a say. Now, one thing I haven't yet been able to put a finger on is what percentage of the CT40 shows are still in existence...
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Post by BrettVW on May 13, 2012 18:39:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure there is just a very small handful of "lost" shows that Shannon hasnt remastered for CT40
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Post by Shadoe Fan on May 13, 2012 19:20:19 GMT -5
per Shannon's site, here are the CT40 dates he's looking for original shows of:
1990 3-3-90 3-24-90 5-5-90 5-12-90 5-19-90 5-26-90 6-2-90 6-9-90 6-16-90 6-23-90 7-28-90 8-25-90 9-29-90
1992 12-5-92
1993 1-2-93 2-20-93 7-18-93
1994 3-19-94 4-2-94 4-9-94
1995 1-28-95 2-25-95 3-18-95 5-27-95 7-1-95 7-15-95
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Post by hothitzdj on May 13, 2012 21:07:12 GMT -5
per Shannon's site, here are the CT40 dates he's looking for original shows of: 1990 3-3-90 3-24-90 5-5-90 5-12-90 5-19-90 5-26-90 6-2-90 6-9-90 6-16-90 6-23-90 7-28-90 8-25-90 9-29-90 1992 12-5-92 1993 1-2-93 2-20-93 7-18-93 1994 3-19-94 4-2-94 4-9-94 1995 1-28-95 2-25-95 3-18-95 5-27-95 7-1-95 7-15-95 A few weeks I told Shannon which ones of the above that I had. I haven't heard back which ones he still need to restore and how I can help him. Let's just say it's a work in progress and restoration is moving forward. It just takes time. Again, help when you can...as this is precious radio history.
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Jul 25, 2012 15:18:25 GMT -5
Supposedly Premiere does own the rights to CT40, which would mean they would probably do whatever they wanted with them and WW1 wouldn't have much of a say. Now, one thing I haven't yet been able to put a finger on is what percentage of the CT40 shows are still in existence... Going back through the reasons for the cancellation of American Top 40 on XM 80s on 8 in 2003, I came across a letter posted by 80s PD (at that time) Bruce Kelly on xmfan.com which was sent in response to all sorts of rumors circulating then. The letter mentions that there are more than one type of rights that must be secured before a show can be rebroadcast. Kelly mentions: 1. Broadcast rights--owned by Premiere Radio 2. Chart rights--owned by Billboard Magazine This could also play a big role in any decision to rebroadcast AT40 of the Shadoe years, Casey's Top 40, or any of the AC or HAC shows. Remember that Billboard bought up Radio and Records, whose charts Casey's Top 40, American Top 40 1998-2004, and the AC and HAC shows used through much of their time in existence. Kelly mentioned that chart rights were very expensive at the time (over $20,000 per year in 2003). Therefore, SXM or Premiere would have to make an agreement with Billboard and pay what Billboard requests before rebroadcasting any Casey or Shadoe shows not covered by existing agreements.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 15:44:28 GMT -5
Supposedly Premiere does own the rights to CT40, which would mean they would probably do whatever they wanted with them and WW1 wouldn't have much of a say. Now, one thing I haven't yet been able to put a finger on is what percentage of the CT40 shows are still in existence... Going back through the reasons for the cancellation of American Top 40 on XM 80s on 8 in 2003, I came across a letter posted by 80s PD (at that time) Bruce Kelly on xmfan.com which was sent in response to all sorts of rumors circulating then. The letter mentions that there are more than one type of rights that must be secured before a show can be rebroadcast. Kelly mentions: 1. Broadcast rights--owned by Premiere Radio 2. Chart rights--owned by Billboard Magazine This could also play a big role in any decision to rebroadcast AT40 of the Shadoe years, Casey's Top 40, or any of the AC or HAC shows. Remember that Billboard bought up Radio and Records, whose charts Casey's Top 40, American Top 40 1998-2004, and the AC and HAC shows used through much of their time in existence. Kelly mentioned that chart rights were very expensive at the time (over $20,000 per year in 2003). Therefore, SXM or Premiere would have to make an agreement with Billboard and pay what Billboard requests before rebroadcasting any Casey or Shadoe shows not covered by existing agreements. Yes but I remember all of with Kelly. The problem is he opened a message board thread saying it was up to the listeners if we still wanted the show because there was a lot of people who were beginning to really hijack the direction of the company by wanting absolutely nothing "mainstream" whatsoever. Well, they were the ones by and large expressing their hatred of the show and that's when Kelly came clean that he wanted to get backing to ask the higher ups for the $$$ to pay the rights. I thought it was really stupid he didn't state this from the outset and nor do I understand why they began airing the show when they knew they only had 2 months left on the billboard rights deal. I wish we knew what the deal was now with the rebroadcasts on terrestrial radio and SXM. Did they work out a lifetime deal, a deal for a certain # of years, or are they renewing it at certain times?
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Post by Mark Johnson on Jul 25, 2012 15:47:37 GMT -5
I have heard the "Back In The Day" replay on the 90's and they use the Billboard charts. Which is OK for 90 and most of 91, but when you get into songs that were never on Casey or even Shadoe for that matter, I think that presents a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 17:01:15 GMT -5
I have heard the "Back In The Day" replay on the 90's and they use the Billboard charts. Which is OK for 90 and most of 91, but when you get into songs that were never on Casey or even Shadoe for that matter, I think that presents a problem. Yeah but it's been years since the changeover occurred and newspapers, magazines, music articles, etc still make a big deal about what hits #1 on the Hot 100 and its been over 21 1/2 years since I and a lot of other people including maybe you have cared. I don't know, maybe I'm so radio oriented it was me who got off the train and it's still important but personally, I give that chart no thought. But anyway, it's not surprising they go by BB. Dumb since like you said, they probably play a lot of songs that never saw the light of day on radio affiliates who these listeners probably regularly listened to back then but not surprising.
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