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Post by jaxxalude on Jul 15, 2011 11:17:24 GMT -5
Everything, Einstein. And then some. Have you ever heard of "comedy records" as a movement, so to say? Or something that had a cultural impact the way hip-hop (still) does, or rock music, jazz and even disco (yes, disco!) had back in the day? Thought so. So whose logic here is ignorant? The cultural demise rap has introduced into society still has no bearing on why it is still considered a novelty in musical terms. I'm sorry, but it just is. Oh, for f**k's sake! "Cultural demise"? You sound like your dad when he complained to you about that "horrible racket" called rock music that you listened to in your room back in the day.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 15, 2011 11:19:12 GMT -5
There are sites all over the internet dedicated to one thing, This one is dedicated to American Top 40/Casey Kasem. The majority of the fans of this are not hip hop fans. Of course we won't have anything nice to say about it, we aren't fans and alot of us think Hip Hop ruined the enjoyment of top 40 radio.
Sure, we do talk off topic on occasion, but mainly we're about AT40 and Casey. not about hip hop. so again, bringing it up here is not going to get alot of positive responses.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 15, 2011 11:37:21 GMT -5
***Oh, for f**k's sake! "Cultural demise"? You sound like your dad when he complained to you about that "horrible racket" called rock music that you listened to in your room back in the day. ***
um, Hip Hop causes a HELL of a lot more damage, destruction and such than Rock music EVER did. You never EVER saw rock music fans acting that way! Its a culture thing and its not going well.
Did you ever hear 15-20 popular rock songs glorify sex (in a way that wasn't presented in a double entendre) on the charts? Or Violence? I mean out and out SEX SEX SEX KILL KILL KILL that wasn't attempted to disguise what it was about?
Because back in the day, Cyndi Lauper disguised what She Bop was really about, The Vapors did the same with Turning Japanese. But these days, there'd be a song called Whack It Off or Beat Your Meat.
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Post by matt on Jul 15, 2011 13:09:15 GMT -5
***Oh, for f**k's sake! "Cultural demise"? You sound like your dad when he complained to you about that "horrible racket" called rock music that you listened to in your room back in the day. *** um, Hip Hop causes a HELL of a lot more damage, destruction and such than Rock music EVER did. You never EVER saw rock music fans acting that way! Its a culture thing and its not going well. Did you ever hear 15-20 popular rock songs glorify sex (in a way that wasn't presented in a double entendre) on the charts? Or Violence? I mean out and out SEX SEX SEX KILL KILL KILL that wasn't attempted to disguise what it was about? Because back in the day, Cyndi Lauper disguised what She Bop was really about, The Vapors did the same with Turning Japanese. But these days, there'd be a song called Whack It Off or Beat Your Meat. That is a great point--when we were kids, none of us had a clue most of the time what artists were singing about, because of the way the songs were written and that there was something left to the imagination and any suggestive themes were very subtle. Most hip hop/rap leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination and don't disguise a thing when it comes to the vulgar themes...I seem to remember that it was hip hop that back in the late 80's that forced the issue of the "Parental Advisory" labels. I'm thinking that's pretty damming evidence in this argument.
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Post by matt on Jul 15, 2011 13:11:26 GMT -5
And tagging a genre with 32-I repeat-32 years of commercial recordings and still-going mass popularity as a novelty can only be one of two things: a) ignorance; b) intellectual dishonesty. If not, it's just seriously unhinged; I'm sorry, but it just is. Nobody said that rap/hip hop was being tagged as novelty. The point was that rap/hip hop can feasibly be compared to novelty music in many cases...
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Post by matt on Jul 15, 2011 13:16:05 GMT -5
BTW jaxx, it really doesn't do much for your case when you have to start throwing out terms like "ideology" and "teabaggers". If you have to resort to that, it's clear that you've run out of anything substantive to support your argument.
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Post by jaxxalude on Jul 15, 2011 13:21:26 GMT -5
It was heavy metal that did.
And nobody said hip-hop was novelty? Talk about incriminating evidence of intellectual dishonesty. Or trying to insult other people's intelligence. Or just plain illiteracy. Anyway, it's useless trying to call people to reason at what's obviously a Tea Party rally. So long to this discussion. By the way, Sarah Palin says to you all: "Don't retreat, reload!" But hey, blame it on hip-hop for all of society's ills...
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 15, 2011 13:43:05 GMT -5
Sadly I have to somewhat agree with Jaxx on the Parental Advisory thing... SOMEWHAT.
2 main things started the problem:
Darling Nikki by Prince & F*** Like A Beast by W.A.S.P.
One of the 2 is hard rock. The other is a funk track.
Also, Me So Horny got things headed in that direction... That is rap.
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Post by matt on Jul 15, 2011 14:00:38 GMT -5
OK, so I stand corrected about the Parental Advisory labels. Guess I just must be so used to seeing the labels on rap/hip hop albums.
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Post by donwa001 on Jul 16, 2011 16:14:05 GMT -5
I keep hoping there will be a Hip-Hop backlash like there was for Disco. And stations will drop playing hip hop and move back to songs with real singers singing notes (like Adele). A younger co-worker of mine says that will never happen. She says, "Hip Hip is here to stay."
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Post by dukelightning on Jul 16, 2011 16:26:30 GMT -5
I keep hoping there will be a Hip-Hop backlash like there was for Disco. And stations will drop playing hip hop and move back to songs with real singers singing notes (like Adele). A younger co-worker of mine says that will never happen. She says, "Hip Hip is here to stay." I keep coming back to this intra versus intergenerational thing. I worked the Lil Wayne show last night and basically the whole crowd was under 25 and it was a similar crowd to that of say Coldplay. Now back in the 80s, I went to shows by Bryan Adams and the Pointer Sisters on consecutive nights at the same venue and the crowds were very different. The younger generation today is pretty much on the same page with what they like musically making any kind of backlash very unlikely whereas back in the disco era, they were not. And I took a lot of grief from people for playing disco at dances and on college radio so I can attest to people from the same young generation not being on the same page musically.
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Post by tarobe on Jul 16, 2011 22:24:51 GMT -5
Hip-hop is here to stay. So is that growling junk. So what? There was enough music recorded before all that so I don't ever have to listen to any of it if I don't want to. Nobody has ever forced me to listen to rap or metal. If I want to listen to Elvis Presley or the Beatles or reruns of Casey Kasem that's my perogative. I don't expect others to listen to what I do, so why should I care what they're listening to?
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Post by reachinforthestars on Jul 17, 2011 2:50:29 GMT -5
Hip-hop is here to stay.........I don't expect others to listen to what I do, so why should I care what they're listening to? This is why you should care: Hip Hop causes a HELL of a lot more damage, destruction and such than Rock music EVER did. You never EVER saw rock music fans acting that way! Its a culture thing and its not going well. Did you ever hear 15-20 popular rock songs glorify sex (in a way that wasn't presented in a double entendre) on the charts? Or Violence? I mean out and out SEX SEX SEX KILL KILL KILL that wasn't attempted to disguise what it was about?
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 17, 2011 6:48:45 GMT -5
As a DJ for Schools and parties for a long time, like it or not, I play it if its wanted.
I've NEVER, in 20 years had someone ask for a popular rock song, past or present, to be not played due to content. Rap, I have, ALOT! I've also never had rock music cause fights at a bar gig, Rap has caused many fights for the way people are acting.
Plus, with the exception of a few heavy metal crowds, usually only Rap crowds at concerts wind up with lots of arrests or damage to the venue.
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Post by tarobe on Jul 17, 2011 12:10:52 GMT -5
Wow! Sex and Violence started when rap was invented in the 1980's! Seems like I heard of it happening before then...Must have been wrong.
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