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Post by dukelightning on Apr 14, 2011 8:15:27 GMT -5
Replying to the last 2 posts....did not know that about 1968. I got one question for Billboard. Are you guys having double standards? Why would you do that for Hey Jude but not for You Light Up My Life? And for those that do not know, while AT40 compiled their own top 100 of 1977 with I Just Want.... at #1, Billboard's top 100 of 1977 had Tonight's the Night at #1. If you do it once, you really need to do every time such a situation exists. BTW, how bizarre is that, Tonight's the Night did end up being #1 for the year whereas You Light Up My Life (#3 in 1978) did not in any year. As to how those other charts were complied (by Fred Bronson not by me), yes it was the inverse system that you alluded to and it applied to the entire HOT 100. Plus 50 bonus points were awarded for every week that a song was #1. Here now are all the #1 songs of the year for the rock era until Soundscan started since I am sure some of you are curious. 1956...Don't Be Cruel/Hound Dog 1957...Love Letters in the Sand 1958...It's All in the Game 1959...Mack the Knife 1960...Theme from "A Summer Place" 1961...Tossin and Turnin' 1962...The Twist (was #6 in 1960) 1963...Sugar Shack 1964...I Want to Hold your Hand 1965...Satisfaction 1966...I'm a Believer 1967...To Sir With Love 1968...Hey Jude 1969...Aquarius/Let the Sun Shine In 1970...Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head 1971...Maggie May/Reason to Believe 1972...American Pie (sorry bestmusicexpert) 1973...Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak tree 1974...The Way We Were 1975...Rhinestone Cowboy 1976...Tonight's the Night 1977...You Light Up My Life 1978...Le Freak (#2 Shadow Dancing, 3 Stayin Alive, 4 Night Fever) 1979...Hot Stuff (#2 YMCA, the highest ever non #1 song) 1980...Another One Bites the Dust 1981...Physical (#2 Bette Davis Eyes, 3 Endless Love) 1982...Eye of the Tiger 1983...Every Breath You Take 1984...When Doves Cry 1985...Careless Whisper 1986...That's What Friends are For 1987...Faith 1988...Need You Tonight 1989...Another Day in Paradise 1990...Love Takes Time 1991...Everything I Do
Both the Beatles and Rod Stewart snared 2 #1 songs of the year
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Post by dukelightning on Apr 14, 2011 9:09:22 GMT -5
One more comment about You Light Up My Life. I know that AT40 recorded the top 100 of the year at the time that they recorded the last regular show of the year. So in the case of YLUML, the last regular show was its 10th week at #1. That means they knew that it had 10 weeks on top when they did the top 100 of 1977. They should have ignored the actual tabulations and simply installed it at the #1 song of the year. Very few people would have argued.
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Post by bottlerocket on Apr 14, 2011 12:46:31 GMT -5
I'll never understand how "Kiss You All Over" beat out "How Deep Is Your Love" in the year-end countdown for 1978. From a November to November chart period, half of "Kiss You All Over"s chart run would have been cut off and "How Deep Is Your Love" spent more weeks in the top ten than any other song that year. I honestly believe there was a backlash against the Bee Gees by year's end and Billboard didn't want to put three of their songs in the top five of the year.
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Post by Michael1973 on Apr 15, 2011 12:34:54 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Michael Jackson's "Dirty Diana" was #61 for 1988.
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Post by chrislc on Apr 15, 2011 13:10:00 GMT -5
Billboard's most blatant act of year-end chart manipulation in the past fifty years came in 1968, when their year-end cutoff date was preposterously moved to December 21st in order to protect the Beatles by ensuring that 'Hey Jude' would wind up as their #1 single of the year. Had they not done so, 'Hey Jude' would have had its chart run gutted by BB's traditional cutoff date, and wouldn't have sniffed the year-end top ten despite 9 weeks at #1. As it turned out, Billboard's decision gutted the chart run of Marvin Gaye's 'I Heard It Through The Grapevine' which otherwise would have breezed to finishing as the #1 single of the year in 1969. I wonder if Billboard wanted to avoid having Paul Mauriat at #1.
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Post by dukelightning on Apr 15, 2011 15:57:20 GMT -5
marv and chrisic, good points, the songs you mentioned...I Heard it...was #2 and Love is Blue was #3 using the aforementioned chart tabulation method.
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Post by vince on Apr 16, 2011 14:31:13 GMT -5
Regarding why “Hey Jude” was the #1 BB’s song of 1968 while “You Light Up My Life” was not BB’s #1 song of 1977, “Hey Jude” would have still been the #1 even if the cut off was 11/23/68 using BB’s methodology for compiling the year end chart at the time. Other years in the late 60s also had survey periods that ran into mid December. If the cut off for 1967 was the last week of November, “To Sir With Love” would not have been BB’s #1 that year.
By the late 1970s’s BB’s cut off had changed to the end of October which accounts partly for why YLUML did not make BB’s survey for 1977. AT40’s 1977 cut off was mid November, giving YLUML enough points to rank at #51. Only its first 5 weeks at #1 were counted. AT40 probably compiled the chart in November 1977 and finished recording the show in early December.
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Post by marv101 on Apr 16, 2011 17:17:11 GMT -5
I definitely remember that Vince; IIRC, the top three singles of 1967 if BB hadn't moved their year-end cutoff date would have all wound up being debut singles, whcih was an unprecedented accomplishment.
Those songs were 'The Letter', 'Ode To Billie Joe' & To Sir, With Love'.
I also recall that 'Wooly Bully' was their #1 single of the year in 1965 despite failing to top the Hot 100, a feat later accomplished in 2000 with Faith Hill's 'Breathe'.
I've seen various books & publications over the years which have used the Billboard charts with multiple songs finishing #1 for the same year, including 1990 (Vision Of Love/Another Day In Paradise/Hold On) 1985 (We Are The World/Careless Whisper/Like A Virgin), and 1969 (In The Year 2525/Aquarius/Sugar Sugar).
The Zager & Evans classic only spent twelve weeks on the Hot 100 (70-35-8-1-1-1-1-1-1.....), but six weeks in the penthouse.
My recollection of the #1 singles of the year, assuming that above list utilized Billboard....
1970---Bridge Over Troubled Water 1971---Joy To The World 1975---Love Will Keep Us Together 1978---Shadow Dancing 1979---My Sharona 1980---Call Me (Larry Morgan mentioned this the last time that 1980 was the featured countdown year 6-8 weeks ago when it was played as an extra) 1981---Bette Davis Eyes 1982---I Love Rock & Roll 1983---Every Breath You Take 1984---Jump 1987---Shake You Down (Billboard REALLY stunned me when this turned out to be tops for the year) 1988---Faith 1989---Look Away 1990---Another Day In Paradise
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Post by Michael1973 on Apr 22, 2011 13:14:19 GMT -5
1987---Shake You Down (Billboard REALLY stunned me when this turned out to be tops for the year) I think Walk Like An Egyptian was #1 for that year.
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Post by dukelightning on Apr 22, 2011 19:06:08 GMT -5
Michael you are right. And it was Like a Virgin and/or When Doves Cry depending on Billboard or AT40 that was #1 for 1984.
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on Apr 22, 2011 19:23:04 GMT -5
Michael you are right. And it was Like a Virgin and/or When Doves Cry depending on Billboard or AT40 that was #1 for 1984. It was not "Like A Virgin" since it peaked at the end of 1984. "When Doves Cry" was Billboard's #1 song of 1984. On AT40 their #1 song of the year was "Say Say Say". "Careless Whisper" was #1 on Billboard's 1985 chart which AT40 used ("Like A Virgin" was #2).
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Post by mstgator on Apr 22, 2011 20:46:47 GMT -5
To add to the confusion, I believe that "Jump" was #1 for 1984 in Radio & Records, so Casey likely referred to this if the subject came up during his Westwood One shows (rather than "Say Say Say").
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Post by bigal on Apr 22, 2011 21:39:53 GMT -5
Dont froget #1 songs that didnt make it to the top 100 chart because of the cut off period, like ROCK'N'ME, YOU AINT DONE NOTHIN, etc.
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Post by johnnywest on May 20, 2018 12:39:24 GMT -5
“Give Me Love” by George Harrison wasn’t even in Billboard’s year end top 40.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Aug 8, 2021 21:27:29 GMT -5
For those wondering where those songs would have ranked had they gotten full credit for their chart life, I have the answers courtesy of Fred Bronson.... I Think I love You....#3 in 1970 The Tears of a Clown........#11 in 1970 I am Woman............#15 in 1972 You Haven't Done Nothin......#12 in 1974 You Aint Seen Nothin Yet......#36 in 1974 I Honestly Love You..........#50 in 1974 Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe.........#81 in 1974 Whatever Gets You Through the Night.......#82 in 1974 Bad Blood...........................#29 in 1975 Island Girl...........................#32 in 1975 Disco Duck.......................#7 in 1976 Rock'n Me.......................#27 in 1976 You Light Up My Life............#1 in 1977 Along the same lines, in the 70s using this chart tabulation policy, the highest peaking songs that did not make the top 100 of a year was #4. And 2 songs in 1975 peaked at 4 without making the top 100.....Mr. Jaws and Run Joey Run. Can't Get Enough's entire chart run was in 1974, wasn't it?
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