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Post by jamesff on Oct 3, 2015 2:01:48 GMT -5
No, no, no! That would not work! Way too much filler would have to be inserted. There is enough filler in some of the 78-early 80s 4 hour shows as it is. Imagine the 12" versions of songs and random nonsense extras that you would have to weave in there. I'd much rather hear some song edits. Remember when they expanded the Dees replays to 5 hour shows and inserted random non-year extras before every segment? We don't need that! You are probably the only person who would rather hear the edited versions of the songs then listen to a few extras. I don't even like listening to the single edits of the songs let alone the chopped up songs on AT40. Much of the filler that would be added if Premiere were to extend the shows to 4 hours would be more commercials. Some of the extras that I would add would be: #1 song from 10 or 15 years ago (they could use the 60s Archives collection as a source);B sided hit; and this week's drop out from the top 40 (since the show is no longer broadcasted in chronological order).
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Post by lasvegaskid on Apr 30, 2023 12:06:55 GMT -5
By the mid 80s they were butchering again. It wasn't as bad as 77/78, but they already needed a 5th hour. As part of that 5th hour, they could have done #1s of the 80s, as previously done with the 70s and 60s. Also instead of just mentioning the #1s on the Country chart, etc, Casey could have played the entire tune.
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Post by mga707 on Apr 30, 2023 12:20:34 GMT -5
I do not recall this thread at all, even though I was on here in '15. Somehow it slipped by me.
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Post by mkarns on Apr 30, 2023 12:43:38 GMT -5
By the mid 80s they were butchering again. It wasn't as bad as 77/78, but they already needed a 5th hour. As part of that 5th hour, they could have done #1s of the 80s, as previously done with the 70s and 60s. Also instead of just mentioning the #1s on the Country chart, etc, Casey could have played the entire tune. I don't think there was enough "butchering" to justify a 5th hour. And quite frankly I wonder how peoples' attention spans could handle 5 hours. If there had been expansion beyond 4 hours, then it would probably have been cut back to 4 later. If anyone's listened to the current AT40 lately, it could probably be cut back to 3 hours now without chopping up the countdown songs too much. I think if the countdown were being created now it might well only be 30 songs, but the AT40 brand is probably too well established to be messed with.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Apr 30, 2023 13:01:09 GMT -5
By the mid 80s they were butchering again. It wasn't as bad as 77/78, but they already needed a 5th hour. As part of that 5th hour, they could have done #1s of the 80s, as previously done with the 70s and 60s. Also instead of just mentioning the #1s on the Country chart, etc, Casey could have played the entire tune. I don't think there was enough "butchering" to justify a 5th hour. And quite frankly I wonder how peoples' attention spans could handle 5 hours. If there had been expansion beyond 4 hours, then it would probably have been cut back to 4 later. If anyone's listened to the current AT40 lately, it could probably be cut back to 3 hours now without chopping up the countdown songs too much. I think if the countdown were being created now it might well only be 30 songs, but the AT40 brand is probably too well established to be messed with. I think 5th hour would have worked from 83ish until the end of Casey. After that definitely cut back maybe to 30, not necessarily because of song length or attention spans, but because of radio fragmentation, there were fewer and fewer recognizable broad based hits for a national countdown. 4hrs of Shadoe was probably too much.
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Post by mga707 on Apr 30, 2023 13:15:15 GMT -5
And quite frankly I wonder how peoples' attention spans could handle 5 hours. Exactly. I cannot think of a single 5hr syndicated radio program.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Apr 30, 2023 13:51:20 GMT -5
And quite frankly I wonder how peoples' attention spans could handle 5 hours. Exactly. I cannot think of a single 5hr syndicated radio program. Aren't John Tesh and Delilah 5 hrs? George Noory?? Some overnights like Steve Sommers?
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Post by jlthorpe on Apr 30, 2023 13:51:40 GMT -5
I do not recall this thread at all, even though I was on her in '15. Somehow it slipped by me. I know what you mean. There are threads that pop up and I think about something to add to it, then I go through the thread and see that I added that exact same thing years before.
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Post by mga707 on Apr 30, 2023 17:18:54 GMT -5
Exactly. I cannot think of a single 5hr syndicated radio program. Aren't John Tesh and Delilah 5 hrs? George Noory?? Some overnights like Steve Sommers? OK, you've got me there. Always loathed those first two, especially Mr. Holier-than-thou Tesh, so don't even know if either is still around. Hopefully not. But yes, forgot about Noory, the heir to the late, great Art Bell on "Coast To Coast AM". Hopefully he's still around, even though AM is circling the drain. Sommers I've not heard of. Those to me are different than a show like AT40. More of a 'passive listen' while you're doing something else, like trying to stay awake on an overnight shift. AT40 is more of an 'active listen'.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Apr 30, 2023 18:10:24 GMT -5
By the mid 80s they were butchering again. It wasn't as bad as 77/78, but they already needed a 5th hour. As part of that 5th hour, they could have done #1s of the 80s, as previously done with the 70s and 60s. Also instead of just mentioning the #1s on the Country chart, etc, Casey could have played the entire tune. I don't think there was enough "butchering" to justify a 5th hour. And quite frankly I wonder how peoples' attention spans could handle 5 hours. If there had been expansion beyond 4 hours, then it would probably have been cut back to 4 later. If anyone's listened to the current AT40 lately, it could probably be cut back to 3 hours now without chopping up the countdown songs too much. I think if the countdown were being created now it might well only be 30 songs, but the AT40 brand is probably too well established to be messed with. I have a remastered Dees countdown from 5/17/1986 that is 5 hours, and let me tell you, it wouldn't fly. Some of the jingles were replaced with 1992 ones. It all just sounds very out of place. Looking at my top 100 playlists, the average song length peaked in 1994, and very slowly decreased through the next decade.
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Post by michaelcasselman on May 2, 2023 8:30:43 GMT -5
5 hours? Madness.
Ditch the Long Distance Dedications. Tighten up how long a couple stretch stories might go. Be more judicious with using drop-pieces or montages. But ANOTHER hour? Oof.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on May 2, 2023 11:16:43 GMT -5
I don't know if that Dees extended countdown has ever aired (maybe someone on here does), and I have the regular show from 5/17/1986 as well. The extended version inserts looped 1990s jingles (at the end, we hear "The 80s"), then a 1980s song plays (yes, even outside of 1986). Examples: Billie Jean, Electric Avenue, Oh Sherrie, Physical, Can't Fight This Feeling, How Will I Know. Then the original show is mixed in after another jingle. That, along with inserted network commercials different from the originals, pretty much comprises the extra time throughout. The last segment intros with Broken Wings, then flows into the original last segment (#1 is by itself), and that segment is 13:30 in length. The last two minutes are commercials. I'm not sure why this was done, maybe experimental. As much as I enjoy the songs and the shows, I'm not a fan of this practice.
And we mentioned the words "attention span". I think it's a given today's generation doesn't have as much of one as my generation and those prior have; even four hours is a bit of a stretch. There's a lot more things out there now to occupy one's time. (Though some could argue some have spent four hours or more at a time watching videos on TikTok.)
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Post by vince on May 2, 2023 23:59:13 GMT -5
I am somewhat mixed on this, but I would have liked it if AT40 kept the weekly shows 3 hours. Part of the fun when I stated listening to AT40 in 1978 was hearing all their custom edits. The local station that aired AT40 then was playing Lp and 12" version of the top 40 hits so I got to hear the long version plenty the rest of the time. If the show was still 3 hours in the late 80s, their digital razor blade would be working overtime. It would have been interesting to see how they would cram 40 songs that average 4 and a half minutes in to 3 hours. To me, 4 hours kind of long. The draw back is if the show stayed 3 hours there would have been no AT40 archives or the recap.
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Post by dth1971 on May 3, 2023 6:46:13 GMT -5
AT40 could have done a top 5 recap of the previous week in medley form, just like Dave Sholin's Insider has done.
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Post by jlthorpe on May 3, 2023 19:05:59 GMT -5
I am somewhat mixed on this, but I would have liked it if AT40 kept the weekly shows 3 hours. Part of the fun when I stated listening to AT40 in 1978 was hearing all their custom edits. The local station that aired AT40 then was playing Lp and 12" version of the top 40 hits so I got to hear the long version plenty the rest of the time. If the show was still 3 hours in the late 80s, their digital razor blade would be working overtime. It would have been interesting to see how they would cram 40 songs that average 4 and a half minutes in to 3 hours. To me, 4 hours kind of long. The draw back is if the show stayed 3 hours there would have been no AT40 archives or the recap. I would assume songs (possibly droppers) would be omitted, much like on Dees' show and Shadoe's special AT40 editions for WPLJ/etc. Just an intro and the chart positions from last week and this week and that's it. Actually, maybe the show would be like Casey's America's Top 10 TV show, and just snippets of some songs would be played while full versions would be played for others. Maybe if enough songs are snipped, an extra artist interview or story could be added like with America's Top 10.
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