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Post by countdownmike on May 26, 2015 20:48:05 GMT -5
Good point. I remember listening to an AT40 show from 1970 and a 1968 Dionne Warwick hit was an "AT40 oldie." Stations didn't do recurrents back then. If you heard a song more than 8 weeks old on a top 40 station you'd scratch your head.
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Post by RCNipper on May 27, 2015 1:56:42 GMT -5
Hi (again), Mike...
Although I've commented & praised you on your presentation of AT-40 in previous posts, the single greatest thing you do, every week, is air every "Casey" AT-40 Extra, along with other vignettes voiced by him. You, literally, make every attempt to present AT-40 as complete to the original broadcast as humanly possible. You do this in light of the fact that we now have to make room for an unlimited amount of spots, as opposed to the nine minutes per hour when the show first aired in 1970. In doing so, some parts of the original show must be edited out. I'm hoping the powers-that-be will see that editing the song is far more preferable than editing anything Casey does during the show. Yes, we love the show, but we love Casey more! The lesser of two evils dictate that the song can be edited without missing anything (we either own a copy, or can hear it on radio), while leaving Casey on the "cutting room floor" creates a loss we'll have to live with, forever.
Before Sirius/XM chopped AT-40 up into little and unrecognizable bits, they not only played everything, but also included the show promos! I'm fortunate to have a bunch of them, including some "generic" show promos (did you read that, Ken?). I did miss getting one show from 1976, where there was a great story about Diana Ross/Supremes "Someday, We'll Be Together." As was previously mentioned, this was the last #1 song of 1969, as well as the final recording where Diana Ross was lead singer of the group before going solo. When this show aired on WODC in April of this year, "Love Hangover" was on the chart. According to the original AT-40 cue sheet, the AT-40 Extra, prior to "Love Hangover," was "Someday." It was a great set-up to Ms. Ross' current hit (at that time), but was never made part of the AT-40 Extras offered for that show. It was the only "Casey AT-40" not included in the show you would have played, had it been offered. GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
As for Ms. Warwick, the 1968 song you played was "Theme from the Valley of the Dolls." You've also played AT-40 Extras from the Beatles, Rolling Stones and The Monkees, to name a few. "Valley" may have stuck in your mind, because it was an in-show AT-40 Oldie (very rare, considering the need to edit for more spot time). The AT-40 Extra "Oldies" mostly play as an add-on part of the show airing between hours (except for the last one, where it comes after the final spot break before #2).
After 1975, the practice of playing an AT-40 Oldie was dropped in favor of playing a small piece of an oldie by an artists/group emerging on the charts after a long period of time away from it. Five perfect examples that come to mind are: Janis Ian, Paul Anka, Neil Sedaka, John Lennon & Frankie Valli - solo & with The Four Seasons. With each artist's return from a long absence on the Billboard Charts, a little piece of their last hit was played - probably to remind some listeners of their previous work, having been off the charts for so long.
As I listen to WODC every Sunday morning (and/or with the "Sunday Night Special"), you never fail to play that "AT-40 Oldie." Many other stations don't play it, because the song might fall below the threshold of chart dates on their playlist. The Beatles seem to stick out in a format which plays only 70's & 80's, for example. I'm most grateful that you have a different attitude toward this, Mike. I just hope the response has been extremely positive for all the fantastic work you do in presenting AT-40 for us, each week.
Thank you very much, Mike...for "EVERYTHING CASEY!"
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Post by skyseth on May 27, 2015 4:02:41 GMT -5
AT 40 of the '70s , Part 1 and 2 : Bug from Premiere Networks
Are the 4 last songs of part 1 must be in part 1 or in the beginning of part 2
I'll Take you There Candy Man Song sung Blue Lean on Me
since they are both played in part 1 and 2 and featured like this in both premiere cue sheets
Casey says in the intro of part 2 ( ... last played May 1972 ...) so i assume these songs must be in part 2 and not in part 1
I'd like to have your opinion on this issue, thanks
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 6:51:00 GMT -5
I hated that show. Thank you for allowing me to go in depth on my views of it. Hi paul--good to have you back! Not sure if you ever really left, but haven't seen many posts lately... Thanks but you'll most likely continue not to.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 6:54:32 GMT -5
Part 3 of the 80's only goes to early/mid 86, so there will be at least one more part. Probably 2 more parts. There are about 70 records left until the end of the classic Casey AT40 era. At 10 songs / hour (which is what's it's averaging since there are SOOOO many stories Casey tells) that would be 7 hours. That would certianly leave room for a montage of #1's. If I need to, I might even go back and rework the first 3 parts to put yearly montages in there as well (like in the 70's version). Watch this space. Question for you Ken, will you just go through August 88? Or will you try with AT10/AT20/CT40 try and piece together the remainder of the decade too? If the latter, what source will you use for the rest? Billboard or R&R?
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Post by michaelcasselman on May 27, 2015 8:22:58 GMT -5
AT 40 of the '70s , Part 1 and 2 : Bug from Premiere Networks Are the 4 last songs of part 1 must be in part 1 or in the beginning of part 2 I'll Take you There Candy Man Song sung Blue Lean on Me since they are both played in part 1 and 2 and featured like this in both premiere cue sheets Casey says in the intro of part 2 ( ... last played May 1972 ...) so i assume these songs must be in part 2 and not in part 1 I'd like to have your opinion on this issue, thanks As I recall, the original edit of Part 1 from last Memorial Day included those 4 songs... however, the subsequent airings moved them to the beginning of Part 2 to better pad-out the timing of all 6 parts. The 'new' Part 1 also shifted the placement of the Optional Extras and where the end of the hour breaks came within Part 1. As Ken indicated, as he goes back and tweaks the rest of the 80's series, the end of 80's Part 3 may come a few songs earlier due to being 'off' a few minutes on the timing of one of the hours of Part 3(?)... so what WTOJ played over the weekend may not necessarily be the 'finished version' that may be rolled out over the next year or two.
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Post by matt on May 27, 2015 11:58:11 GMT -5
Good point. I remember listening to an AT40 show from 1970 and a 1968 Dionne Warwick hit was an "AT40 oldie." Stations didn't do recurrents back then. If you heard a song more than 8 weeks old on a top 40 station you'd scratch your head. True--I do remember that back in the 80's, once a song left the chart (or even started on its descent) it would more or less disappear from the top 40/CHR station play lists. And of course in pre-internet days, the only way to really hear a song again once that happened (especially the lesser to moderate hits), you would pretty much have to go to the record store and buy the single or album. I remember in the late 80's (around 1989 or so), MTV started airing a show called "Classic MTV" with Martha Quinn, who had moved on from the VJ business by that time. She came back to host the show, which aired videos mostly from the first half of the 80's, i.e. the early years of MTV. I remember it being so cool that there was actually a way to go back and hear so many of those songs again, which by that time, you may not have heard for almost 10 years. In today's world, hearing a popular song from 10 years ago on some radio station or satellite is much easier than it was back then. Still doesn't change my opinion however, that they could have done a better job of picking songs for the Triathlon Special...
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Post by countdownmike on May 27, 2015 21:22:20 GMT -5
RCNipper: Thank you for the nice comments and especially all that detail explaining the AT40 oldies. Matt, thank you for reminding me of the "Classic MTV" show. I loved it! RCNipper, until you confirmed it I wasn't too sure of the song by Warwick. I heard that "Dolls" song a lot when I was a kid. It was one of the songs out when I first really started listening...and I mean listening...to the radio. There have been extras that have timed out on WODC over the years. I've seen posts about them. But most of the time they make it. With our night shows and other special airtimes they all get in.
Let's not take it for granted and keep fingers crossed and pray that the support of AT4070s/80s from the powers-that-be continues. Most of us who really care about the show and operate it are not the chief decision-makers. We just get the permissions to do what we do because they trust us to do it right programming-wise.
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Post by kenmartin on May 28, 2015 11:39:21 GMT -5
Probably 2 more parts. There are about 70 records left until the end of the classic Casey AT40 era. At 10 songs / hour (which is what's it's averaging since there are SOOOO many stories Casey tells) that would be 7 hours. That would certianly leave room for a montage of #1's. If I need to, I might even go back and rework the first 3 parts to put yearly montages in there as well (like in the 70's version). Watch this space. Question for you Ken, will you just go through August 88? Or will you try with AT10/AT20/CT40 try and piece together the remainder of the decade too? If the latter, what source will you use for the rest? Billboard or R&R? All very good questions ... still trying to sort all of that out.
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Post by SFGuy on Jun 7, 2015 4:37:05 GMT -5
Ken, did you ever get feedback from those who were involved in AT40 or Casey's children? I would be interesting to hear what they thought of your job putting together the Number one songs of the 70's and 80's.
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Post by shadster on Jun 7, 2015 12:47:10 GMT -5
As I recall, CHR stations (which didn't exist, back then it was simply known as Top40) would call them 'gold' records and would play 1 or 2 an hour, but I didn't start listening to radio till the mid 80s so can't speak much for the early 80s. Having said that, I remember they would not go TOO far back, usually a song from the past 2-3 yrs. As the 90s ushered in, stations would go further back....into the mid 80s. Further splintering the format into CHR, HotAC, etc.
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Post by jamesff on Jul 11, 2015 0:43:42 GMT -5
I notice there is only 31 songs left for the final show of the 70s. I was wondering, is the final show only going to be 3 hours long?, or are you going to stretch it by playing album cuts and 12" singles.
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Post by darnall42 on Jul 11, 2015 1:00:07 GMT -5
I notice there is only 31 songs left for the final show of the 70s. I was wondering, is the final show only going to be 3 hours long?, or are you going to stretch it by playing album cuts and 12" singles. it's a 4 hour show.In the last hour there is a medley of every #1 song of the 70s
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Post by johnnywest on May 9, 2016 10:36:15 GMT -5
I'm assuming we'll be getting Ken's #1 special that begins with the 1980's for Memorial Day. Any idea what 70's stations will be getting for their bonus show?
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Post by dth1971 on May 9, 2016 22:56:58 GMT -5
I'm assuming we'll be getting Ken's #1 special that begins with the 1980's for Memorial Day. Any idea what 70's stations will be getting for their bonus show? Maybe the rebroadcast of the first of Ken's #1 AT40 special for the 1970's?
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