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Post by lasvegaskid on Jul 8, 2022 16:14:48 GMT -5
This week 1971
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Post by jgve1952 on Jul 8, 2022 16:21:05 GMT -5
That is the year that has been the longest without play--April was last play.
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Post by jgve1952 on Jul 8, 2022 16:21:45 GMT -5
Date likely is 7-10-71.
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Post by jgve1952 on Jul 8, 2022 16:47:05 GMT -5
"Never Can Say Goodbye" is again on the Top 40 this time by Isaac Hayes and would return in 1975 to the Top 40 for Gloria Gaynor. Of course it peaked in the Spring of 1971 by the Jackson 5.
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Post by skuncle on Jul 9, 2022 5:03:55 GMT -5
July 9-10, 2022: Now let’s go back to this week in 1971 - Mark Farner - July 10, 1971
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Post by mga707 on Jul 9, 2022 14:53:02 GMT -5
Even in 1971 I don't think many (if any) AT40 listeners remembered or cared to hear a song from 1946 (the Ink Spots extra). I know 13-year-old me didn't. Which got me to wondering whether an average teen today has any desire to hear a 25-year-old song from 1997. Probably not too many teenaged Paula Cole or Goo Goo Dolls fans out there.
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Post by skuncle on Jul 9, 2022 15:41:43 GMT -5
Even in 1971 I don't think many (if any) AT40 listeners remembered or cared to hear a song from 1946 (the Ink Spots extra). I know 13-year-old me didn't. Which got me to wondering whether an average teen today has any desire to hear a 25-year-old song from 1997. Probably not too many teenaged Paula Cole or Goo Goo Dolls fans out there. Starting in the mid to late 90’s the average shelf life for most Top 40 songs became increasingly shorter. Today the life span of a huge hit is a few weeks at best. A year from now these songs are all but forgotten. In 1971 (the year I was born) it’s not likely that too many listeners of AT40 cared much about a song from 1946. Today that same thing would happen if an extra from five years ago was played.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jul 9, 2022 16:13:22 GMT -5
Even in 1971 I don't think many (if any) AT40 listeners remembered or cared to hear a song from 1946 (the Ink Spots extra). I know 13-year-old me didn't. Which got me to wondering whether an average teen today has any desire to hear a 25-year-old song from 1997. Probably not too many teenaged Paula Cole or Goo Goo Dolls fans out there. Starting in the mid to late 90’s the average shelf life for most Top 40 songs became increasingly shorter. Today the life span of a huge hit is a few weeks at best. A year from now these songs are all but forgotten. In 1971 (the year I was born) it’s not likely that too many listeners of AT40 cared much about a song from 1946. Today that same thing would happen if an extra from five years ago was played. Define "shelf life". Elt just set a personal record of 43 weeks on the Hot 100. And he is a junior player compared to how many weeks some of his competitors have been riding the chart. In reality shelf life of a hit has never been longer and its not even close. And it's not just Pop. Last week on ACC I think I heard Kix Brooks (BTW next to Casey, he might be my favorite countdown host) congratulate the #1 song getting to that spot in "only" 21 weeks on the chart.
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Post by skuncle on Jul 9, 2022 16:29:03 GMT -5
Starting in the mid to late 90’s the average shelf life for most Top 40 songs became increasingly shorter. Today the life span of a huge hit is a few weeks at best. A year from now these songs are all but forgotten. In 1971 (the year I was born) it’s not likely that too many listeners of AT40 cared much about a song from 1946. Today that same thing would happen if an extra from five years ago was played. Define "shelf life". Elt just set a personal record of 43 weeks on the Hot 100. And he is a junior player compared to how many weeks some of his competitors have been riding the chart. In reality shelf life of a hit has never been longer and its not even close. And it's not just Pop. Last week on ACC I think I heard Kix Brooks congratulate the #1 song getting to that spot in "only" 21 weeks on the chart. By shelf life I mean after it’s run on the chart, how long will it be remembered. Don’t get me wrong, there are tons of songs from the 1960s-1980s that are forgotten, but todays songs are totally disposable and forgettable. They have their run on the chart, however long it is, and then once they drop off they are gone. Part of this has to do with the whole nature of music these days, streaming etc, but again it’s the music itself. As an example look at Fleetwood Mac’s 1975 album, “Fleetwood Mac”. That lingered on the chart for almost a solid year before topping it. Today an album has week to do whatever it’s going to do. You sell 20,000 copies and you’ll end up in the Top five. Back in the day 20,000 copies would get you dropped by the label. Obviously albums and songs are different beasts, but hopefully you get what I’m saying.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jul 9, 2022 16:46:15 GMT -5
Define "shelf life". Elt just set a personal record of 43 weeks on the Hot 100. And he is a junior player compared to how many weeks some of his competitors have been riding the chart. In reality shelf life of a hit has never been longer and its not even close. And it's not just Pop. Last week on ACC I think I heard Kix Brooks congratulate the #1 song getting to that spot in "only" 21 weeks on the chart. By shelf life I mean after it’s run on the chart, how long will it be remembered. Don’t get me wrong, there are tons of songs from the 1960s-1980s that are forgotten, but todays songs are totally disposable and forgettable. They have their run on the chart, however long it is, and then once they drop off they are gone. Part of this has to do with the whole nature of music these days, streaming etc, but again it’s the music itself. As an example look at Fleetwood Mac’s 1975 album, “Fleetwood Mac”. That lingered on the chart for almost a solid year before topping it. Today an album has week to do whatever it’s going to do. You sell 20,000 copies and you’ll end up in the Top five. Back in the day 20,000 copies would get you dropped by the label. Obviously albums and songs are different beasts, but hopefully you get what I’m saying. I don't think that necessarily has anything to do with the songs. Nor do I think it started in the late 90s. I would contend you can trace its beginnings as far back as late 83 and definitely later in the 80s when fragmentation at radio resulted fewer true pop stations and far fewer broad based hits. By 1997, the Hot 100 as we knew it listening to Casey had been dead for almost a decade.
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Post by skuncle on Jul 9, 2022 16:56:41 GMT -5
By shelf life I mean after it’s run on the chart, how long will it be remembered. Don’t get me wrong, there are tons of songs from the 1960s-1980s that are forgotten, but todays songs are totally disposable and forgettable. They have their run on the chart, however long it is, and then once they drop off they are gone. Part of this has to do with the whole nature of music these days, streaming etc, but again it’s the music itself. As an example look at Fleetwood Mac’s 1975 album, “Fleetwood Mac”. That lingered on the chart for almost a solid year before topping it. Today an album has week to do whatever it’s going to do. You sell 20,000 copies and you’ll end up in the Top five. Back in the day 20,000 copies would get you dropped by the label. Obviously albums and songs are different beasts, but hopefully you get what I’m saying. I don't think that necessarily has anything to do with the songs. Nor do I think it started in the late 90s. I would contend you can trace its beginnings as far back as late 83 and definitely later in the 80s when fragmentation at radio resulted fewer true pop stations and far fewer broad based hits. By 1997, the Hot 100 as we knew it listening to Casey had been dead for almost a decade. You're probably right. I was listening to the 1998/99/2000 shows that aired this week. I don't really think I'll listen to them again any time soon. By that point in time, I'd switched off of Top 40 radio anyhow, but I don't have any kind of connection to any of these songs. Most of them I don't even know, the ones I do know, I'm not interested in hearing again. Yes, I know my age plays into this a great deal. But what I found interesting is even Casey didn't seem to have any interest in these songs either. The 70's and (early) 80's seemed to be his favorite era. After that he came off as if it was nothing more than a paycheck, you can hear it in his voice.
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Post by 80sat40fan on Jul 9, 2022 17:54:41 GMT -5
Define "shelf life". Elt just set a personal record of 43 weeks on the Hot 100. And he is a junior player compared to how many weeks some of his competitors have been riding the chart. In reality shelf life of a hit has never been longer and its not even close. And it's not just Pop. Last week on ACC I think I heard Kix Brooks congratulate the #1 song getting to that spot in "only" 21 weeks on the chart. By shelf life I mean after it’s run on the chart, how long will it be remembered. Don’t get me wrong, there are tons of songs from the 1960s-1980s that are forgotten, but todays songs are totally disposable and forgettable. They have their run on the chart, however long it is, and then once they drop off they are gone. Part of this has to do with the whole nature of music these days, streaming etc, but again it’s the music itself. As an example look at Fleetwood Mac’s 1975 album, “Fleetwood Mac”. That lingered on the chart for almost a solid year before topping it. Today an album has week to do whatever it’s going to do. You sell 20,000 copies and you’ll end up in the Top five. Back in the day 20,000 copies would get you dropped by the label. Obviously albums and songs are different beasts, but hopefully you get what I’m saying. I agree with skuncle here. I work with high school students, and teenagers today think songs that were out in 2018 or 2019 are "old". I discovered music from the 1960s and early 70s when I was in college (1985-89). Lots of college students back then liked new music and appreciated older music. Today, kids just go on to the next tune from an artist, or the next artist entirely. Back in the 70s and 80s, radio programmers knew when to stop playing current singles and when to go on to another song by the same artist. Starting around 1992 (and I blame the switch on Billboard's new chart methodology at the time... sorry), recurrent airplay factored into the charts so songs started spending a lot more time on the charts. I never got tired of hearing songs until 1992 when songs like "Two Princes" by The Spin Doctors kept getting played... and played... and played. Today, songs hang around for 43 weeks because there's very little good with today's Top 40 music. When something stands out, it spends forever on the charts. SiriusXM may have a 20s radio station starting in the early 2030s but I don't think many people would be avid listeners. Those of us who grew up listening to 70s and 80s music were very fortunate to grow up with such memorable tunes.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jul 9, 2022 18:11:00 GMT -5
By shelf life I mean after it’s run on the chart, how long will it be remembered. Don’t get me wrong, there are tons of songs from the 1960s-1980s that are forgotten, but todays songs are totally disposable and forgettable. They have their run on the chart, however long it is, and then once they drop off they are gone. Part of this has to do with the whole nature of music these days, streaming etc, but again it’s the music itself. As an example look at Fleetwood Mac’s 1975 album, “Fleetwood Mac”. That lingered on the chart for almost a solid year before topping it. Today an album has week to do whatever it’s going to do. You sell 20,000 copies and you’ll end up in the Top five. Back in the day 20,000 copies would get you dropped by the label. Obviously albums and songs are different beasts, but hopefully you get what I’m saying. I agree with skuncle here. I work with high school students, and teenagers today think songs that were out in 2018 or 2019 are "old". Umm, teenagers in 1983 thought music from 1980 was ancient. Nothing has changed there. There were teenagers in 1988 that had never heard of H&O when Ooh Yeah! was released. BBB and Private Eyes were from another era for them. "So we felt a little lost and decided we needed to regroup. In our naiveté we felt like we could stop for a year and a half and do some other things. But you can never stop, at least we can't. As soon as we walked away it was like a curtain dropped. It was almost like starting over again. I never got how people like Steve Winwood could step away for 10 years but we step away for 10 months and it's like, who are you guys?" Daryl Hall Billboard 2/15/03
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Post by 80sat40fan on Jul 9, 2022 19:36:15 GMT -5
Umm, teenagers in 1983 thought music from 1980 was ancient. Nothing has changed there. According to your profile, you were born in 1980. How could you have know what teenagers were thinking in 1983 when you were three years old? MTV rarely played anything that was more than three years old but many radio stations in the 1980s would feature occasional older tunes. When I was a teenager, I thought anything before “Rock Around The Clock” was ancient and anything pre-Beatles was old. I started listening to the radio when I was 5 so maybe I never thought of anything from the 70s as old. We’re all open to our thoughts and opinions here .
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Post by michaelcasselman on Jul 9, 2022 19:54:43 GMT -5
Not fer nuthin', but I concur with LVK. By the time I graduated in '88, the songs of 1983 and even 1984 were 'old'. Hell, those were videos they might play on that oldie station called VH1!
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