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Post by LC on Dec 7, 2022 20:51:41 GMT -5
Re: "Christmas" songs, I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but if you can substitute the word "Thursday" in place of "Christmas" and the song still makes sense, it's not a Christmas song. Exhibit A: the aforementioned "Last Christmas" by Wham.
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Post by mkarns on Dec 8, 2022 0:10:21 GMT -5
Apparently we have Jack Jones to blame -- he was the first to put it on a Christmas LP, in 1964. The following year the Supremes followed suit, and that album sold a ton of copies so the floodgates then opened. And that was coming off Wives And Lovers, for which I'm surprised Jack hasn't been assassinated by now. Or maybe Hal or Burt. Jack Jones may not have met a violent demise due that song, but in the first published "For Better Or For Worse" comic strip Elly Patterson's radio did. She's vacuuming the house when that comes on the radio, cringes, and smashes the radio with her vacuum. Jack actually sang it well, and for its time it was probably considered well written and true to life. It's obviously at the very least dated now. |
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Post by doofus67 on Dec 8, 2022 1:02:43 GMT -5
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Post by doofus67 on Dec 8, 2022 1:34:23 GMT -5
OK, here's the rundown:
-- "We Wish You a Merry Thursday" doesn't work
-- "It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Thursday" doesn't work
-- "Rockin' Around the Thursday Tree" doesn't work
-- "Though it's been said many times, many ways / Merry Thursday to you" doesn't work
-- "Then one foggy Thursday Eve / Santa came to say" doesn't work
-- "Every day is Thursday / And every night is New Year's Eve" doesn't work (good; "The Sweetest Taboo" wasn't a Christmas song in the first place)
-- "Have a Holly Jolly Thursday" might work
-- "I'll Be Home for Thursday" works
-- "And this Thursday will be / A very special Thursday for me" works
-- "On the first day of Thursday / My true love gave to me" definitely doesn't work
-- "Thursday Time Is Here" definitely doesn't work (thank goodness; let's not ever change that one)
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Post by doofus67 on Dec 8, 2022 1:43:08 GMT -5
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Post by doofus67 on Dec 8, 2022 1:46:23 GMT -5
Apparently we have Jack Jones to blame -- he was the first to put it on a Christmas LP, in 1964. The following year the Supremes followed suit, and that album sold a ton of copies so the floodgates then opened. And that was coming off Wives And Lovers, for which I'm surprised Jack hasn't been assassinated by now. Or maybe Hal or Burt. Well, Hal David passed away ten years ago, and Burt Bacharach is 94 and, safe to say, has seen better days. |
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Post by dth1971 on Dec 8, 2022 6:32:48 GMT -5
He didn't even list "Same Old Lang Syne". |
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Post by mga707 on Dec 8, 2022 10:43:58 GMT -5
My other Christmas grievance is with Billboard. When I went to look at the most played Christmas tunes recently, I found it under a list called, "Holiday 100". Link: www.billboard.com/charts/hot-holiday-songs/The Holiday 100?! Really?!?! REALLY?!?!?! REALLY?!?!?!?! BILLBOARD, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!?!?!The songs that make up the "Holiday 100" are CHRISTMAS SONGS, not holiday songs! The facts that most of these songs stopped getting played at 12:01 a.m. on December 26 pretty much means THEY ARE CHRISTMAS SONGS!!!!! Please call that chart the "Christmas 100" in the future!  You mean there aren't any Festivus songs on it? I'm shocked. Have to go finish my list of grievances to be aired, and then practice a bit for the feats of strength competition. |
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Post by doofus67 on Dec 8, 2022 10:55:01 GMT -5
He didn't even list "Same Old Lang Syne". That might be because it mentions Christmas Eve. |
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Post by michaelcasselman on Dec 8, 2022 12:21:03 GMT -5
My other Christmas grievance is with Billboard. When I went to look at the most played Christmas tunes recently, I found it under a list called, "Holiday 100". Link: www.billboard.com/charts/hot-holiday-songs/The Holiday 100?! Really?!?! REALLY?!?!?! REALLY?!?!?!?! BILLBOARD, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!?!?!The songs that make up the "Holiday 100" are CHRISTMAS SONGS, not holiday songs! The facts that most of these songs stopped getting played at 12:01 a.m. on December 26 pretty much means THEY ARE CHRISTMAS SONGS!!!!! Please call that chart the "Christmas 100" in the future! You mean there aren't any Festivus songs on it? I'm shocked. Have to go finish my list of grievances to be aired, and then practice a bit for the feats of strength competition. Ah, the 'War On Christmas'  |
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Post by Michael1973 on Dec 8, 2022 16:59:10 GMT -5
I'd say my top grievance about Christmas music is how radio stations feel the need to have numerous versions of the same song in rotation, especially songs that have a "signature" version. Radio programmers and consultants make a big fuss about how they refuse to play anything other than "familiar" songs, and yet they'll play a version of Happy Christmas that's not by John Lennon. And don't get me started on the version of Last Christmas (not sure of the artist) that omits most of the verses. How did that one do well in any music research test?
The holiday music playlist is already far smaller than the rest-of-the-year playlist, and this is still what they feel everybody wants to hear. Five versions of each song?
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Post by mga707 on Dec 10, 2022 17:35:05 GMT -5
And that was coming off Wives And Lovers, for which I'm surprised Jack hasn't been assassinated by now. Or maybe Hal or Burt. Jack Jones may not have met a violent demise due that song, but in the first published "For Better Or For Worse" comic strip Elly Patterson's radio did. She's vacuuming the house when that comes on the radio, cringes, and smashes the radio with her vacuum. Jack actually sang it well, and for its time it was probably considered well written and true to life. It's obviously at the very least dated now. Was pretty much unfamiliar with the song ("Wives and Lovers") before hearing it today on this week's ''60s Satellite Survey' from this week in '63. Now THAT'S some good advice right there, ladies!  And a Grammy-winning performance by Mr. Jones, as I learned from Dave Hoeffel on today's show. As I'm listening, I'm thinking "this subject matter sounds familiar". Took me awhile, but I got it: Six years and change later (spring 1970), Bobbi Martin was dispensing much the same advice to her fellow females in "For the Love Of Him". And she reached one 'notch' higher than Jack in doing so, #13 vs. #14. |
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Post by mkarns on Dec 10, 2022 17:42:07 GMT -5
Jack Jones may not have met a violent demise due that song, but in the first published "For Better Or For Worse" comic strip Elly Patterson's radio did. She's vacuuming the house when that comes on the radio, cringes, and smashes the radio with her vacuum. Jack actually sang it well, and for its time it was probably considered well written and true to life. It's obviously at the very least dated now. Was pretty much unfamiliar with the song ("Wives and Lovers") before hearing it today on this week's ''60s Satellite Survey' from this week in '63. Now THAT'S some good advice right there, ladies! And a Grammy-winning performance by Mr. Jones, as I learned from Dave Hoeffel on today's show. As I'm listening, I'm thinking "this subject matter sounds familiar". Took me awhile, but I got it: Six years and change later (spring 1970), Bobbi Martin was dispensing much the same advice to her fellow females in "For the Love Of Him". And she reached one 'notch' higher than Jack in doing so, #13 vs. #14. In country music, meanwhile, Tammy Wynette was saying “Stand By your Man” (also #19 pop.). But not everyone entirely agreed, as Loretta Lynn warned her man “Don’t Come Home a-Drinkin (With Lovin’ On Your Mind.)” |
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Post by mga707 on Dec 10, 2022 17:51:11 GMT -5
In country music, meanwhile, Tammy Wynette was saying “Stand By your Man” (also #19 pop.). But not everyone entirely agreed, as Loretta Lynn warned her man “Don’t Come Home a-Drinkin (With Lovin’ On Your Mind.)” Yes--and even in the "Wives and Lovers" era, Lesley Gore was about to follow "She's a Fool" with her proto-feminist declaration "You Don't Own Me". |
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Post by dth1971 on Dec 12, 2022 9:15:07 GMT -5
I wonder if you can now give grievance to the Backstreet Boys' circa 2000 Christmas song "Christmas Time" even though despite the recent 2022 Backstreet Boys Christmas CD that their planned for December 14, 2022 ABC TV Christmas special has been canned to air following some kind of Nick Carter harrasement in the recent news?
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And a Grammy-winning performance by Mr. Jones, as I learned from Dave Hoeffel on today's show.