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Post by chrislc on Jul 28, 2022 20:04:11 GMT -5
Did this ever happen 1970-88? It would be a song that reached the Top 40 in May or June and then finally hit #1 in August or September. But it would have to be the same school district, meaning no songs that, for example, reached the Top 40 in late June and reached #1 in mid-August, which obviously was common. I'm sure this must have happened. Typically the weeks would be 11 or 12 weeks apart, right? And I wonder which grade avid AT-40 listeners would most associate with these songs. Casual listeners would be the time it reached #1, but we would have been all over these songs early on. As an example, in 1979, where I live now, this would be My Sharona, and it would only be associated with the next school year, since it didn't make AT 40 until mid-July. And, no, summer school doesn't count! It looks like Grease is one - mid-June to Labor Day. And ironically there are such memorable scenes of both end of school and back to school. Or maybe Grease was too fast. It hit #1 week ending 8/26, so it was officially first #1 on 8/20. That's not enough weeks to encompass a school vacation. Oh I think I found one. And given enough time, more people will associate the song with a dumb Johnny Carson skit than with the actual singer. 11 weeks apart. I was beginning to think that was the only time 1970-88 this happened, but I found another one 11 weeks apart. And now another the very next week, also 11 weeks apart. And another, 11 weeks apart, the year after that. Do I hear 12? LOL I just realized, Sad Eyes was what made me think of this, and it reached the Top 40 the week ending 6/30, so that means even if only one American kid was still in school on 6/24, Sad Eyes blows everyone out of the water with....14 WEEKS! Guess I need to check those other Octobers. Okay. If - and only if - some poor kid had to show up for school on 06/28/1976 (and please tell me the answer is no - not because of the kid but because of this record, possibly the only song in AT 40 history that sounded just as "good" with the hole of the 45 off center as it did with the hole in the center), we have another 14-week-er. I'm sure this must have been become common, during the hideous "songs stay on the charts forever" era. Actually 1988 was pretty hideous, having just seen what reached #1 in September that year. I wonder if that song was Casey's last straw?
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Post by Mike on Jul 28, 2022 22:15:49 GMT -5
Before even attempting to solve this, I'd say it's worth first hashing out an acceptable timeframe for a given school year.
For example: Here in Michigan, schools typically started the week before Labor Day until the 2006-07 school year, as a law was passed shortly after Labor Day 2005 to move the official start day after Labor Day. But the law allows school districts to file for waivers from that, and in recent years many have done just that - so the start date goes back into August for them. WHICH date in August even varies.
And that's before we get into snow days affecting the end of the year timeline...
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Post by chrislc on Jul 28, 2022 22:32:43 GMT -5
Before even attempting to solve this, I'd say it's worth first hashing out an acceptable timeframe for a given school year. For example: Here in Michigan, schools typically started the week before Labor Day until the 2006-07 school year, as a law was passed shortly after Labor Day 2005 to move the official start day after Labor Day. But the law allows school districts to file for waivers from that, and in recent years many have done just that - so the start date goes back into August for them. WHICH date in August even varies. And that's before we get into snow days affecting the end of the year timeline... Well, I went with at least 11 weeks with songs that first appeared in June. I don't think there were any of at least 11 weeks May through August, but I'm not positive. I found two (or three but please I hope it's two) in the 70s, and three in the 80s. In 1968 in NYC we didn't go back to school until November! I should absolutely remember that more clearly and fondly than I do, but maybe not knowing from day-to-day what would happen took some of the fun out of it. Hey wait a minute. I distinctly remember waiting for the bus to take me home the day of Game 7 of the World Series. I need to post a correction on Wikipedia, I think. But at least that explains why I don't remember being out of school until November.
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Post by jmack19 on Jul 28, 2022 23:21:34 GMT -5
These songs debuted in June & hit #1 in September:
Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) - Eurythmics Rhinestone Cowboy - Glen Campbell What's Love Got To Do With It - Tina Turner Abracadabra - Steve Miller Band Hard To Say I'm Sorry - Chicago
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Post by chrislc on Jul 28, 2022 23:38:38 GMT -5
These songs debuted in June & hit #1 in September: Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) - Eurythmics Rhinestone Cowboy - Glen Campbell What's Love Got To Do With It - Tina Turner Hmmm I looked at Tina but ruled her out. Oh here's why. Only ten weeks. I'm just hoping no poor kid had to go back in late August after not getting out until 6/17 at the earliest. I call Tina late August because it was the week ending 9/1. But those snow days, right? So yes for some northern states, Tina must qualify. Thank you for spotting that. So that's two (or three, gag) in the 70s and four in the 80s. You got three of the six (or....or....or....sorry I threw up in my mouth a little bit...) or seven. And of course Sad Eyes should be pretty easy at this point. So you got three out of five or six. Oops just saw your edit! Five out of five or six. And since I gave the actual date it first appeared in the Top 40, The Record That Shall Not Be Named is pretty easy too, I guess. Sooooo....TA DA!!!!! The Aristocrats!
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Post by chrislc on Jul 28, 2022 23:59:32 GMT -5
These songs debuted in June & hit #1 in September: Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) - Eurythmics Rhinestone Cowboy - Glen Campbell What's Love Got To Do With It - Tina Turner Abracadabra - Steve Miller Band Hard To Say I'm Sorry - Chicago Also I just thought of this. Rhinestone Cowboy is one of those #1 songs that mentions the title of another very recent #1 song. As long as we don't get hung up on the word "the". And in Cash Box, ANOTHER #1 song mentioned it again, all of these #1s within three months. That must be a one-time occurrence.
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Post by Mike on Jul 29, 2022 0:08:01 GMT -5
Which plays right into why I brought up defining what the "school year" would be.
Around here, I'd count none of those, as they all debuted in the later half of June - by which point, we'd have been out of school for a week or two. (Can't say that with 100% certainty, but growing up, the latest I can recall being in school for a given year was for a time approaching the 10th of the month - which covers one, sometimes two June chart dates and no more.)
In actuality? Given a timeframe of "school year ending early June" to "school year starting around Labor Day", I couldn't find a single song that had done it until 2012. (Demi Lovato's "Give Your Heart a Break", which debuted 5/5/2012 and didn't hit #1 until 9/22.) 1994 came pretty close, as "Stay (I Missed You)" debuted April 30...but despite taking a then-record 17 weeks to hit #1 (broken by Demi), still got there two weeks too early. There'd be multiple other close calls after that (Third Eye Blind in 1997 and Aerosmith in 1998 are a couple), but it wouldn't be until 2012 that the mark was hit dead-on.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jul 29, 2022 0:12:52 GMT -5
To ride the chart from one school year to the next is an interesting perspective. If you'll allow me to use Mike's fixed timeframe suggestion and offer another point of view... Here are 3 singles that debuted in the Top 40 at the end of May and (skipping over June, July, August) remained as current hits on AT40 in September: *Indian Reservation - Raiders (1971) *One Hell Of A Woman - Mac Davis (1974) *Kiss And Say Goodbye - Manhattans (1976)
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Post by chrislc on Jul 29, 2022 1:45:32 GMT -5
To ride the chart from one school year to the next is an interesting perspective. If you'll allow me to use Mike's fixed timeframe suggestion and offer another point of view... Here are 3 singles that debuted in the Top 40 at the end of May and (skipping over June, July, August) remained as current hits on AT40 in September: *Indian Reservation - Raiders (1971) *One Hell Of A Woman - Mac Davis (1974) *Kiss And Say Goodbye - Manhattans (1976) Oh yes if we Include songs that hit #1 before school started and were still hits well into the new school year there are a lot, and if we include songs that didn’t make it to #1 there are a lot more, I am sure. And if we make it Hot 100 to #1 we have Red Red Wine which was almost Opening Day to World Series. I guess I Go Crazy would be the NBA version of that if we just consider songs being somewhere within the Top 40.
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Post by doofus67 on Jul 29, 2022 5:34:28 GMT -5
These songs debuted in June & hit #1 in September: Sweet Dreams (Are Made Of This) - Eurythmics Rhinestone Cowboy - Glen Campbell What's Love Got To Do With It - Tina Turner Abracadabra - Steve Miller Band Hard To Say I'm Sorry - Chicago Also I just thought of this. Rhinestone Cowboy is one of those #1 songs that mentions the title of another very recent #1 song. As long as we don't get hung up on the word "the". And in Cash Box, ANOTHER #1 song mentioned it again, all of these #1s within three months. That must be a one-time occurrence. Rhinestone Cowboy: "where hustle's the name of the game" Very recent #1: "do the hustle!" Cash Box #1 (Mr. Jaws, on Cash Records): "do the hustle!"
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Post by LC on Jul 29, 2022 9:13:15 GMT -5
Oh I think I found one. And given enough time, more people will associate the song with a dumb Johnny Carson skit than with the actual singer. Afraid you lost me there.
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Post by mga707 on Jul 29, 2022 10:19:18 GMT -5
Before even attempting to solve this, I'd say it's worth first hashing out an acceptable timeframe for a given school year. For example: Here in Michigan, schools typically started the week before Labor Day until the 2006-07 school year, as a law was passed shortly after Labor Day 2005 to move the official start day after Labor Day. But the law allows school districts to file for waivers from that, and in recent years many have done just that - so the start date goes back into August for them. WHICH date in August even varies. And that's before we get into snow days affecting the end of the year timeline... Agree. Here in southern Arizona, the average school year runs from early-to-mid-August through mid-May. My local district started their school year last week. They have two-week fall and spring breaks, along with the usual 2-wk Christmas/New Years break, which is why they start in late July. Most other districts will begin by August 15.
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Post by 80sat40fan on Jul 29, 2022 10:58:09 GMT -5
School employee here! In Ohio, most students have 12 weeks off for summer so if a hit went to #1 in its 13th week on the chart, that would work. When I lived in Michigan, most students only had 10 weeks off for summer as Michigan required more school days or teaching hours. I have a cousin who teaches in Florida. Her school year ends before May 15 but they start back to school the second week of August. Meanwhile, students in New York don't start until after Labor Day with their year ending in mid to late June. In other words... good luck agreeing on a specific time of year for school summer vacations but if if a song which debuted in late May or early June took 10 - 12 weeks to hit #1, that hit could be included.
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Post by mga707 on Jul 29, 2022 11:08:41 GMT -5
I have a cousin who teaches in Florida. Her school year ends before May 15 but they start back to school the second week of August. Meanwhile, students in New York don't start until after Labor Day with their year ending in mid to late June. Sounds like her area in FL is similar to here in So AZ. Wonder if it's a north/south thing, with more southerly areas starting and ending their school years earlier? Having to be in school through half or most of June just sounds so 'wrong' to me!
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jul 29, 2022 11:15:05 GMT -5
I have a cousin who teaches in Florida. Her school year ends before May 15 but they start back to school the second week of August. Meanwhile, students in New York don't start until after Labor Day with their year ending in mid to late June. Sounds like her area in FL is similar to here in So AZ. Wonder if it's a north/south thing, with more southerly areas starting and ending their school years earlier? Having to be in school through half or most of June just sounds so 'wrong' to me! Yeah, it does...but then again, going to school at any point in August seems really wrong to me. I grew up in MN, and we always started school the day after Labor Day. Yes, that meant the school year went into June, but we were out by mid-month. So that's the school year I'm used to. I feel for anyone who goes back to school before Labor Day, which to me signals the end of summer. My younger sister graduated from an AZ high school right before her 18th birthday in late May. This also coming from someone who never will be a parent, so not even sure my input is worth two cents. But the kids should have and enjoy their summer.
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