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Post by adam31 on Apr 11, 2019 13:27:11 GMT -5
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Post by jlthorpe on Apr 13, 2019 10:39:32 GMT -5
If it's getting airplay on country stations and is getting embraced by the country music audience, it should be considered a country song.
It's ironic. It seems as if Billboard has been pushing hip-hop on the Hot 100 since the Soundscan era began, despite the lack of mainstream airplay, but now won't push a legitimate crossover hit.
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Post by 80sat40fan on Apr 13, 2019 12:37:11 GMT -5
Here is a link to the Billboard Country National Airplay chart for the week ending 4/20/19, and Lil Nas is the "Hot Shot Debut" at #53: charts.bdsradio.com/bdsradiocharts/charts.aspx?formatid=4Like jlthorpe said, if the song is getting enough airplay on country stations, it should be on the country chart. I just checked the Billboard Hot 100, and Lil Nas zoomed up from #15 to #1 with "Old Town Road" this week (week ending 4/13/19). You would think that country fans would be ga ga over a country topping the pop chart. Instead, Billboard reps decide to remove the song from the country chart... huh?!?! On the other hand (stirring the pot a little here  )... given that Billboard changed the Soul and R&B chart name to the Black chart in the 1980s, maybe there's a little racial profiling or bigotry going on within Billboard's offices? The question has to be asked. Maybe this is me but the country music industry is like the National Hockey League... it's made up of a bunch of white people (and I'm white). You would think the NHL would do more to promote diversity when it has players of color... but it doesn't. The country music industry should consider doing the same with up and coming artists. Radio stations are becoming too fragmented, and pulling a song just because some people don't think it's country enough isn't right. While the U.S. as a whole is experiencing better racial relations, diversity within music groups is appallingly low. I wish more groups were a mix like Sly & The Family Stone. I loved it when artists like Jimi Hendrix or Living Colour made awesome rock music back in the day. I loved it when Caucasian artists like David Bowie or KC & The Sunshine Band could hit the R&B/Soul charts back in the 70s. Having said all of that, the drum machine and the fake clapping doesn't help "Old Town Road" sound like a country tune  ... but that's me. I wonder what briguy52748 thinks about this? |
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Post by slf on Apr 13, 2019 16:00:39 GMT -5
Here is a link to the Billboard Country National Airplay chart for the week ending 4/20/19, and Lil Nas is the "Hot Shot Debut" at #53: charts.bdsradio.com/bdsradiocharts/charts.aspx?formatid=4Like jlthorpe said, if the song is getting enough airplay on country stations, it should be on the country chart. I just checked the Billboard Hot 100, and Lil Nas zoomed up from #15 to #1 with "Old Town Road" this week (week ending 4/13/19). You would think that country fans would be ga ga over a country topping the pop chart. Instead, Billboard reps decide to remove the song from the country chart... huh?!?! On the other hand (stirring the pot a little here )... given that Billboard changed the Soul and R&B chart name to the Black chart in the 1980s, maybe there's a little racial profiling or bigotry going on within Billboard's offices? The question has to be asked. Maybe this is me but the country music industry is like the National Hockey League... it's made up of a bunch of white people (and I'm white). You would think the NHL would do more to promote diversity when it has players of color... but it doesn't. The country music industry should consider doing the same with up and coming artists. Radio stations are becoming too fragmented, and pulling a song just because some people don't think it's country enough isn't right. While the U.S. as a whole is experiencing better racial relations, diversity within music groups is appallingly low. I wish more groups were a mix like Sly & The Family Stone. I loved it when artists like Jimi Hendrix or Living Colour made awesome rock music back in the day. I loved it when Caucasian artists like David Bowie or KC & The Sunshine Band could hit the R&B/Soul charts back in the 70s. Having said all of that, the drum machine and the fake clapping doesn't help "Old Town Road" sound like a country tune ... but that's me. I wonder what briguy52748 thinks about this? Just to put in my two cents worth on the topic of racism in the music industry: I've always been appalled that, for years, classic rock stations would almost never play ANYTHING by black artists, except for Hendrix. It's as if the PD's at those stations think that R&B-leaning pop or rock isn't true rock and roll, that Zeppelin and Skynyrd fans would have no interest in hearing Aretha or Marvin Gaye or Prince. They seem to have forgotten that black culture gave the world rock and roll to begin with. Fortunately, in recent years, I've noticed more and more stations merging the oldies and classic rock formats to create a "Classic Hits" format, where Skynyrd and Prince do coexist. My AT40 70's go-to station, WUPE-FM (North Adams, MA) is one of those stations. |
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Post by briguy52748 on Apr 14, 2019 8:48:44 GMT -5
Here is a link to the Billboard Country National Airplay chart for the week ending 4/20/19, and Lil Nas is the "Hot Shot Debut" at #53: charts.bdsradio.com/bdsradiocharts/charts.aspx?formatid=4Like jlthorpe said, if the song is getting enough airplay on country stations, it should be on the country chart. I just checked the Billboard Hot 100, and Lil Nas zoomed up from #15 to #1 with "Old Town Road" this week (week ending 4/13/19). You would think that country fans would be ga ga over a country topping the pop chart. Instead, Billboard reps decide to remove the song from the country chart... huh?!?! On the other hand (stirring the pot a little here )... given that Billboard changed the Soul and R&B chart name to the Black chart in the 1980s, maybe there's a little racial profiling or bigotry going on within Billboard's offices? The question has to be asked. Maybe this is me but the country music industry is like the National Hockey League... it's made up of a bunch of white people (and I'm white). You would think the NHL would do more to promote diversity when it has players of color... but it doesn't. The country music industry should consider doing the same with up and coming artists. Radio stations are becoming too fragmented, and pulling a song just because some people don't think it's country enough isn't right. While the U.S. as a whole is experiencing better racial relations, diversity within music groups is appallingly low. I wish more groups were a mix like Sly & The Family Stone. I loved it when artists like Jimi Hendrix or Living Colour made awesome rock music back in the day. I loved it when Caucasian artists like David Bowie or KC & The Sunshine Band could hit the R&B/Soul charts back in the 70s. Having said all of that, the drum machine and the fake clapping doesn't help "Old Town Road" sound like a country tune ... but that's me. I wonder what briguy52748 thinks about this? I’ve heard very little about “ Old Town Road” by Lil Nas, Iadmit. But I just have to think its falling off the Airplay chart was because it failed to make enough of the criteria to make the chart. Simple as that. Far as diversity, we’ve had lots of that through the years, with black, Latino/Hispanic and even Asian artists, do that point’s not even valid in my book. The song just didn’t do well enough at country radio, at least this week, to make the chart. Brian |
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Post by jlthorpe on Apr 14, 2019 14:20:24 GMT -5
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Post by adam31 on Apr 16, 2019 9:52:04 GMT -5
Excellent article, brings up a lot of things to think about concerning Billboard, but the summary is, including digital song data is ruining the integrity of Billboard's main charts, including the Hot 100. Since 2012, the airplay charts have been a better measure of ranking song popularity by genre. I remember cringing when I heard Billboard was including YouTube streaming in the Hot 100 formula. Now it's come to this.... |
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)... given that Billboard changed the Soul and R&B chart name to the Black chart in the 1980s, maybe there's a little racial profiling or bigotry going on within Billboard's offices? The question has to be asked.
... but that's me.
