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Post by jimjterrell4210 on Sept 24, 2018 15:57:48 GMT -5
An extension/spin-off of two threads: "Country and R&B songs that did better on the pop charts" and "Most Unfair #1 Denials".
The Hot 100 is the most important of the Billboard singles charts, even after the AT40 program stopped using the chart at the end of 1991. In some cases, there are singles that attain a top-five position on the Hot 100 and go to the top of a less-important chart, like R&B and Adult Comtemporary. In other cases, there are singles that attain a top-five position on the Hot 100 and fail to reach the top of a less-important chart, stalling at number two, while the single holding the number-one spot on that same chart would either score a lower peak position than the aforementioned top-five pop single on the Hot 100, or would not appear on the Hot 100 at all.
I'll start with these two examples:
On the R&B Chart: "What's Love Got To Do With It", by Tina Turner, spent five consecutive weeks at #2 on the Hot R&B Singles chart (July 14-August 11, 1984) while "When Doves Cry", by Prince, held the #1 spot. Tina Turner would never have a #1 R&B single in her career (solo or as part of the duo with her ex-husband Ike Turner). "What's Love Got To Do With It" would reach #1 on the Hot 100 just as "When Doves Cry" was descending from the Top 40.
On the AC chart: In the spring of 1988, "Man in the Mirror", by Michael Jackson, and "Where Do Broken Hearts Go", by Whitney Houston, both reached #1 on the Hot 100. During "Where Do Broken Hearts Go"'s second week at #1 on the AC chart (April 9, 1988), "Man in the Mirror" stalled at #2.
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Post by dth1971 on Sept 30, 2018 6:56:15 GMT -5
Here's one: "Say, Say, Say" by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson hit #1 on AT40/Billboard's Hot 100, but it only made #3 on Billboard's R&B chart not try to match the #1 R&B success of Paul and Michael's other duet "The Girl is Mine".
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Post by jimjterrell4210 on Sept 30, 2018 18:50:42 GMT -5
The only reason "Say Say Say" never made it to #1 on the R&B Singles Chart just like "The Girl Is Mine" did is because of the DeBarge song "Time Will Reveal". "Say Say Say" held the #2 position of the Black Singles Chart for four weeks (December 10-31, 1983). While "Say Say Say" did hold the #1 spot of the Hot 100 around the same time, "Time Will Reveal" would only get to #18 on the Hot 100 chart.
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Post by seminolefan on Sept 30, 2018 22:59:12 GMT -5
Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust" (#1 Hot 100) spent 3 weeks at #2 on the soul chart, all behind Tom Browne's "Funkin' For Jamaica (N.Y.)", which never charted on the Hot 100.
Lionel Richie's "Truly" spent a whopping 9 weeks at #2 on the soul chart, all behind Marvin Gaye's "Sexual Healing". While "Truly" did reach the top of the Hot 100, "Sexual Healing" didn't quite get there, stopping at #3.
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Post by jimjterrell4210 on Nov 7, 2018 17:18:43 GMT -5
Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust" (#1 Hot 100) spent 3 weeks at #2 on the soul chart, all behind Tom Browne's "Funkin' For Jamaica (N.Y.)", which never charted on the Hot 100. Lionel Richie's "Truly" spent a whopping 9 weeks at #2 on the soul chart, all behind Marvin Gaye's "Sexual Healing". While "Truly" did reach the top of the Hot 100, "Sexual Healing" didn't quite get there, stopping at #3. <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 24.200000000000045px; height: 4.199999999999989px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77295018" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_79191809" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_72567852" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.200000000000045" height="4.199999999999989" style="position: absolute; width: 24.2px; height: 4.2px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1149px; top: 149px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_67825075" scrolling="no"></iframe> 1. If "Another One Bites the Dust" had spent even a single week at the top of the R&B/Soul chart, this would have made Queen the only rock band ever to have topped said chart. 2. That will be looked upon as the R&B-chart equivalent of "Physical" holding "Waiting for a Girl Like You" off the #1 slot on the Hot 100 for nine weeks during 1981-82. It's gotta be frustrating for a single to be stuck at the runner-up (#2) position of a record chart without ever reaching #1.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Nov 7, 2018 18:40:12 GMT -5
"Theme from Shaft" by Isaac Hayes reached #1 on the Hot 100 but only got as high as #2 on the Soul Singles chart.
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Post by jimjterrell4210 on Jun 13, 2019 14:04:10 GMT -5
None of the four number-one Hot 100 singles from Whitney Houston's second album (simply titled "Whitney") would reach number-one on the Billboard R&B singles chart.
The first single, "I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me)", would get stuck at #2 for two weeks in early July of 1987 behind "I Feel Good All Over", by Stephanie Mills (from her "If I Were Your Woman" album). "I Feel Good All Over" would never appear on the Hot 100 at all. If it weren't for this denial, the "I Wanna Dance with Somebody" would have been the second song to reach number-one on the Hot 100, R&B, Adult Contemporary and Dance-Club Play charts after "Part-Time Lover", by Stevie Wonder.
The second single, "Didn't We Almost Have It All", would stall at #2 during the second week of October '87 behind "(You're Puttin') A Rush on Me", which was also from Stephanie Mills's "If I Were Your Woman" album. "(You're Puttin') A Rush on Me" did appear on the Hot 100, but would only reach #85.
The fourth single, "Where Do Broken Hearts Go", stalled at #2 for the first week of May 1988, behind "Nite and Day", by Al B. Sure!. "Nite and Day" would fare much better on the Hot 100 than the two Stephanie Mills songs, reaching #7.
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Post by doofus67 on Jun 13, 2019 15:59:13 GMT -5
None of the four number-one Hot 100 singles from Whitney Houston's second album (simply titled "Whitney") would reach number-one on the Billboard R&B singles chart. The third single from the Whitney LP, "So Emotional," stalled at #5 R&B on 1/9/88, while Michael Jackson's "The Way You Make Me Feel" was in its third week at #1.
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Post by seminolefan on Jun 14, 2019 10:31:19 GMT -5
Irene Cara's "Flashdance...What a Feeling" spent 5 weeks at #2 on the soul chart, all behind Mtume's "Juicy Fruit". Of course, "Flashdance...What a Feeling" topped the Hot 100 for 6 weeks, while "Juicy Fruit got as high as #45.
Club Nouveau's "Lean On Me" stayed at #2 for 3 weeks on the soul chart, all behind Jody Watley's "Looking For a New Love". "Lean On Me" hit #1 on the Hot 100 for 2 weeks, while "Looking For a New Love" stopped at #2 for 4 weeks, though not because of "Lean On Me": it was kept out of the top spot by Cutting Crew's "(I Just) Died In Your Arms" and U2's "With Or Without You".
Mariah Carey's "I Don't Wanna Cry" was kept out of the top spot on the R&B chart by Luther Vandross' "Power Of Love / Love Power". IDWC topped the Hot 100 for 2 weeks while "Power Of Love / Love Power" peaked at #4.
Paula Abdul's "Straight Up" was kept out of the top spot on the R&B chart by 2 songs: "Just Because" by Anita Baker and "Just Coolin'" by LeVert. While Paula would top the Hot 100 for 3 weeks, "Just Because" would stop at #14. "Just Coolin'" wouldn't chart on the Hot 100 at all.
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Post by jimjterrell4210 on Jul 10, 2019 23:30:48 GMT -5
"The One That You Love" was Air Supply's only number-one single on the main Hot 100 chart. On the Adult Contemporary chart, however, "The One That You Love" would be stuck at the number-two position for five weeks (July 11 - August 8, 1981), all behind "I Don't Need You", by Kenny Rogers. On the Hot 100, "I Don't Need You" would peak at #3 for two weeks in mid-August of '81.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jul 13, 2019 7:55:11 GMT -5
Billy Preston scored #1 hits on the Hot 100 with "Will It Go Round In Circles" and "Nothing From Nothing" but both songs barely cracked the Top 10 on Billboard's Soul Singles chart.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jul 13, 2019 12:49:14 GMT -5
^To go along with the previous post, should've also mentioned this chart tidbit.
Billy Preston's only Top 40 single between "Will It Go Round In Circles" and "Nothing From Nothing" was "Space Race," a song that reached #4 on the Hot 100. And where did it finish on Billboard's Soul Singles chart? It went all the way to #1. Go figure.
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Post by freakyflybry on Sept 23, 2019 23:59:29 GMT -5
In 1994, Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun" - one of the defining alternative rock songs of the 90's - was blocked from #1 on the modern rock chart. The song that blocked it?
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"Fall Down" by Toad The Wet Sprocket. Definitely a more obscure one!
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Post by jimjterrell4210 on Apr 25, 2022 18:56:08 GMT -5
"Can't We Try", by Dan Hill and Vonda Shepard, was ranked by Billboard as the Number 1 Adult Contemporary Song of 1987, but did it reach the top position on a weekly Hot Adult Contemporary Chart? Nope.
"Can't We Try" reached #2 for three weeks on the Billboard Hot Adult Contemporary chart (on July 11, 18, and 25). "I Wanna Dance with Somebody (Who Loves Me)", by Whitney Houston, was at the top for the first two of those weeks, and the theme from the TV series "Moonlighting" by Al Jarreau, was #1 for the third week. "I Wanna Dance with Somebody" had already topped the Hot 100 for the weeks of June 27 and July 4 of '87 (seriously, how could a record like "I Wanna Dance with Somebody" top the AC chart, but not the R&B?), while the "Moonlighting" theme would only reach #23 on the Pop chart on July 18. "Can't We Try" would enter the Hot 100's Top 40 on the 25th and peak at #6 on September 12.
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Post by Mike on Apr 25, 2022 20:39:02 GMT -5
Either R&B radio or enough of the Black-buying public were miffed enough that Whitney wasn't enough of an "R&B" record, to lead to Whitney going 0-for-4 from that album.
On R&R's Urban chart, however, "Where Do Broken Hearts Go" did manage to reach the top for a week - the same week it topped the Pop chart, April 22 (whose comparative countdown would be 4/30). Oddly enough, it's Al B. Sure! who missed the top over there - he spent 3 weeks at #2, as first Whitney leapfrogged him to hit #1, then she slid to #6 while Suave's "My Girl" then leapfrogged to reach the top. (Suave stopped at #3 on Billboard's chart.)
For "Can't We Try", in R&R (their chart being used for Countdown America), it spent two weeks at #2 - Whitney was able to keep it from the top all by herself. It also didn't finish the year at #1 there, only #3 - their #1 for 1987 would be Chicago's "Will You Still Love Me" (which, in turn, finished #3 for the year in Billboard).
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