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Post by matt on Mar 21, 2018 13:18:09 GMT -5
Since the Hot 100 was sales-based, it's possible that once a song was starting to wane, record stores removed them from their shelves (possibly placing them in the office for anyone who might want them) in order to put the newer releases on. Or perhaps they didn't bother reporting the sales of songs that were on their way down, though I kind of doubt that. If you look at the charts from the 1960's (Billboard, Cash Box or Record World) you will notice that nearly every Top 10 hit, once the song exited the Top 40, disappeared from the charts altogether. It is doubtful that the song quit selling but it is possible that the sales were no longer reported to the trades--OR--perhaps the record labels didn't want the sales reported any longer since in most cases they were already onto promoting the next single. Look at Motown's release schedule during the '60's, as an example, and you will notice that singles were issued every 10-12 weeks--unless the single bombed and didn't stay on the chart even that long. I realize that Motown was based in Detroit but they turned out 45's like they were cars coming off the assembly line. When I worked in radio in the late '70's and '80's we had a term for songs that lasted on the charts for about 12 weeks--we called them 90 day wonders--wondering if anyone would want to hear the song again after the 90 days were up. The other aspect to this--from what I've read before, it wasn't the record stores that were reporting sales. Sales of records pre-Soundscan were tracked by sales from the record companies/distributors to the stores. Once singles and albums were in the stores, individual sales to customers weren't what was tracked. So it makes sense that back in those days, if charts were completely sales based, songs would fall hard and fast since the record companies weren't probably selling new copies of singles whose popularity was waning. At that point, record companies were likely selling and promoting the next big up and coming songs. So even if there was a single on its way down the charts that customers may still have been buying at Sam Goody, etc., Sam Goody was no longer buying that single from the distributor.
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Post by jebsib on Mar 22, 2018 6:43:27 GMT -5
I still say there must have been some chart policy in place. There was a long period when former top 10 singles never materialized AT ALL in the bottom 60. Not even for a stray week. Statistically impossible if not for some cut-off (a la the Hot 100 recurrent rule 1991 to present)
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Post by djjoe1960 on Mar 22, 2018 7:38:35 GMT -5
I don't think there was any 'official' chart policy but if you look at any copy of any of the three trades, from the 1960's, most of their ads from record labels are promoting their latest releases. In addition, most cities had multiple Top 40 stations and there was fierce competition for listeners (ad revenue for the stations) and the thing that could set stations apart were either 'exclusive' songs or being the first on a new hit or artist--so with that in mind the chart turnover rate was faster in the '60's.
A couple more observations: 1) there were still many more independent record labels (more sources for 'hit' music) and 2)there was no 'corporate' radio in the '60's (each individual station was free to pick the 'hits').
In addition, the artist themselves felt the pressure to keep the hits coming. Recall Billy Joel's song 'The Entertainer' (from 1974)--
But I know the game, you'll forget my name
And I won't be here in another year
If I don't stay on the charts.
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Post by johnnywest on Mar 22, 2018 8:14:04 GMT -5
There were many songs from the Glee Cast between 2009-12 that spent only a week or two on the Hot 100 while still making the Top 40.
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Post by doofus67 on Nov 6, 2018 4:17:52 GMT -5
Recall Billy Joel's song 'The Entertainer' (from 1974)-- But I know the game, you'll forget my name And I won't be here in another year If I don't stay on the charts. Two by the Piano Man: "Sometimes a Fantasy"...#36 peak, 9 weeks on "The Night Is Still Young"...#34 peak, 10 weeks on
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Post by doofus67 on Nov 6, 2018 4:28:10 GMT -5
Two by the Moody Blues:
"Steppin' in a Slide Zone"...#39 peak, 8 weeks on "Sitting at the Wheel"...#27 peak, 10 weeks on
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Post by doofus67 on Nov 6, 2018 4:59:36 GMT -5
-- Two by Aerosmith:
"Sweet Emotion"...#36 peak, 8 weeks on "Back in the Saddle"...#38 peak, 8 weeks on
-- Two by the Average White Band:
"If I Ever Lose This Heaven"...#39 peak, 8 weeks on "School Boy Crush"...#33 peak, 7 weeks on
-- Two by ABBA:
"Honey, Honey"...#27 peak, 10 weeks on "Mamma Mia"...#32 peak, 9 weeks on
-- One by Herb Alpert:
"Route 101"...#37 peak, 10 weeks on
-- One by the Allman Brothers Band:
"Crazy Love"...#29 peak, 9 weeks on
-- One by the Atlanta Rhythm Section:
"Doraville"...#35 peak, 8 weeks on
-- One by Ambrosia:
"Magical Mystery Tour"...#39 peak, 8 weeks on
-- One by Air Supply:
"Young Love"...#38 peak, 9 weeks on
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Post by 80sat40fan on Nov 6, 2018 10:16:35 GMT -5
Chicago had five Top 40 songs spend 10 or fewer weeks on the Hot 100: * "Free": #20/9 weeks * "Lowdown": #35/8 weeks * "Questions 67 & 68": #24/10 weeks * "Harry Truman": #13/9 weeks * "Another Rainy Day In New York City": #32/9 weeks
Elton John had 7 Top 40 hits which spent ten or fewer weeks on the Hot 100: * "Friends": #34/9 weeks * "Levon": #24/10 weeks * "Honky Cat": #8/10 weeks * "Bite Your Lip": #28/6 weeks * "Ego": #34/8 weeks * "Part-Time Love": #22/10 weeks * "Victim Of Love": #31/10 weeks
From the '80s, Pat Benatar's "The Ooh Ooh Song" peaked at #36 while spending 9 weeks on the Hot 100.
These stats from UMD Music. Sometimes if a song bubbled under for a week before hitting the Hot 100, they count it as a week on the chart so the week count could be off for one or more of these tunes.
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Post by doofus67 on Nov 6, 2018 15:16:38 GMT -5
By the way, I'm taking this from Joel Whitburn...
Beach Boys..."Good Timin'," #40 peak, 10 weeks on Bee Gees..."He's a Liar," #30 peak, 8 weeks on Jackson Browne..."Here Come Those Tears Again," #23 peak, 9 weeks on Jimmy Buffett..."Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes," #37 peak, 10 weeks on Boston..."Long Time," #22 peak, 10 weeks on Boston..."Peace of Mind," #38 peak, 8 weeks on Bad Company..."Movin' On," #19 peak, 10 weeks on Bad Company..."Good Lovin' Gone Bad," #36 peak, 8 weeks on Blondie..."Atomic," #39 peak, 9 weeks on [dropped off both the top 40 and the Hot 100 before "Call Me"; separate thread] Blondie..."Island of Lost Souls," #37 peak, 10 weeks on Buggles…"Video Killed the Radio Star," #40 peak, 10 weeks on Blues Brothers..."Rubber Biscuit," #37 peak, 8 weeks on Bay City Rollers..."Rock and Roll Love Letter," #28 peak, 9 weeks on
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Post by bobbo428 on Nov 6, 2018 17:18:05 GMT -5
We almost heard what could be the ultimate of those on this past weekend's AT40: The 70s (during the AT40 era, that is) that was not a Christmas song. It was "Bite Your Lip" by Elton John. The song fell out of the Top 40 after spending only three weeks on, peaking at #28 (or 26, as it were before they were told about last minute revisions), and was spending its sixth and final week on the Hot 100. The ultimate in that type of song period would most likely be "They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa!" by Napoleon XIV. That song raced up the Hot 100, wasting no time hitting #3, but then, I think what happened was that more and more radio stations banned that song due to its being deemed politically incorrect, and the song fell even faster than it climbed, spending six weeks on the Hot 100. Actually, the phrase "politically correct," as termed such, didn't occur until the early 1990s. I'm not sure what the pre-PC term for PC was. Napoleon XIV's hit was-like many novelties--a fast climber--and in this case, an even more precipitous faller. I believe it fell more than 30 places within the top 40 once the ban went into effect.
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Post by Hervard on Nov 6, 2018 17:46:06 GMT -5
We almost heard what could be the ultimate of those on this past weekend's AT40: The 70s (during the AT40 era, that is) that was not a Christmas song. It was "Bite Your Lip" by Elton John. The song fell out of the Top 40 after spending only three weeks on, peaking at #28 (or 26, as it were before they were told about last minute revisions), and was spending its sixth and final week on the Hot 100. The ultimate in that type of song period would most likely be "They're Coming To Take Me Away, Ha-Haaa!" by Napoleon XIV. That song raced up the Hot 100, wasting no time hitting #3, but then, I think what happened was that more and more radio stations banned that song due to its being deemed politically incorrect, and the song fell even faster than it climbed, spending six weeks on the Hot 100. Actually, the phrase "politically correct," as termed such, didn't occur until the early 1990s. I'm not sure what the pre-PC term for PC was. Napoleon XIV's hit was-like many novelties--a fast climber--and in this case, an even more precipitous faller. I believe it fell more than 30 places within the top 40 once the ban went into effect. Its chart run went like so: 60-11-5-3-5-37-off
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Post by listenerwants2know on Nov 7, 2018 16:28:29 GMT -5
Christine McVie - Love will show us how:
54 (4/28/84) 43 38 - 36 - 35 - 34 - 30 - 39 61 94 (6/30/84)
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Post by doofus67 on Nov 17, 2018 0:07:25 GMT -5
Johnny Cash & the Tennessee Three..."One Piece at a Time," #29 peak, 10 weeks on Eric Clapton..."Willie and the Hand Jive," #26 peak, 9 weeks on Glen Campbell..."Don't Pull Your Love / Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye," #27 peak, 10 weeks on Chicago..."Harry Truman," #13 peak, 9 weeks on Chicago..."Another Rainy Day in New York City," #32 peak, 9 weeks on The Commodores..."Fancy Dancer," #39 peak, 9 weeks on The Commodores..."Flying High," #38 peak, 10 weeks on The Carpenters..."Solitaire," #17 peak, 10 weeks on The Carpenters..."All You Get from Love Is a Love Song," #35 peak, 10 weeks on Eric Carmen..."Sunrise," #34 peak, 10 weeks on Chic..."Everybody Dance," #38 peak, 10 weeks on Cheap Trick..."Ain't That a Shame," #35 peak, 10 weeks on Cheap Trick..."Dream Police," #26 peak, 10 weeks on Christopher Cross..."No Time for Talk," #33 peak, 10 weeks on The Captain & Tennille..."You Need a Woman Tonight," #40 peak, 10 weeks on Rita Coolidge..."I'd Rather Leave While I'm in Love," #38 peak, 10 weeks on Alice Cooper..."Clones (We're All)," #40 peak, 9 weeks on Shaun Cassidy..."Do You Believe in Magic," #31 peak, 10 weeks on Boomer Castleman..."Judy Mae," #33 peak, 8 weeks on
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Post by doofus67 on Nov 17, 2018 0:52:33 GMT -5
Bob Dylan..."Tangled Up in Blue," #31 peak, 7 weeks on The Doobie Brothers..."Another Park, Another Sunday," #32 peak, 10 weeks on John Denver..."Looking for Space," #29 peak, 8 weeks on Duran Duran..."Skin Trade," #39 peak, 9 weeks on The Charlie Daniels Band..."The South's Gonna Do It," #29 peak, 10 weeks on Paul Davis..."Superstar," #35 peak, 9 weeks on
Earth, Wind & Fire..."Devotion," #33 peak, 7 weeks on Earth, Wind & Fire..."Can't Hide Love," #39 peak, 9 weeks on Electric Light Orchestra..."Confusion," #37 peak, 8 weeks on
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Post by doofus67 on Nov 17, 2018 1:33:51 GMT -5
Dan Fogelberg…"Part of the Plan," #31 peak, 9 weeks on Foghat…"I Just Want to Make Love to You," #33 peak, 10 weeks on The Four Seasons..."Silver Star," #38 peak, 8 weeks on Firefall…"Cinderella," #34 peak, 10 weeks on Firefall…"Headed for a Fall," #35 peak, 9 weeks on Firefall…"Staying with It," #37 peak, 9 weeks on Fancy..."Touch Me," #19 peak, 10 weeks on
Marvin Gaye..."Distant Lover," #28 peak, 9 weeks on Art Garfunkel..."I Shall Sing," #38 peak, 9 weeks on Art Garfunkel..."Second Avenue," #34 peak, 8 weeks on Barry Gibb..."Shine Shine," #37 peak, 10 weeks on Andy Gibb..."Me (Without You)," #40 peak, 8 weeks on Graham Central Station..."Your Love," #38 peak, 9 weeks on Henry Gross..."Springtime Mama," #37 peak, 10 weeks on David Geddes..."The Last Game of the Season (A Blind Man in the Bleachers)," #18 peak, 8 weeks on Dickie Goodman..."Mr. Jaws," #4 peak, 10 weeks on
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