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Post by matt on Feb 19, 2015 13:01:02 GMT -5
^Perhaps, but it wouldn't surprise me either if this was legitimately made as a possible promo to use in the event that Premiere would consider resurrecting the Shadoe shows.
That all being said, I'm still skeptical that Shadoe's AT40 will ever be issued in syndication, simply because of the lack of interest. I like Shadoe and I grew up on his shows to some degree, because I stuck with AT40 between the time Casey left and when I went to college in the fall of 1992. However, I have to admit that if given the choice between AT40 and CT40 for the same week, I would choose Casey over Shadoe.
Maybe the question would be: is there enough growing interest in hearing top 40 countdowns from 1988-1995? If so, this might have some traction, since it doesn't look like Casey's Top 40 will be aired in syndication any time soon.
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Post by matt on Feb 19, 2015 13:05:37 GMT -5
Unless something has changed in the past couple months, I don't believe that Premiere /iHeart has ownership of the Shadoe Stevens shows. This may be Shadoe himself and another distributor capitalizing on the popularity of AT40 and '90s nostalgia. I would be extremely surprised if this was being done by iHeart. It's been said many times on this board that Premiere owns everything AT40, so would think that includes the Shadoe Stevens' years. It would be good to know for sure though from an authorative source. EDIT: here's a link to that end - at40fg.proboards.com/thread/219/at40-80s-weeks-show?page=705One observation about this post--Shannon mentions that CT40 shows could become a collector's item soon. Do we think this had to do with Casey's ailing health? Just curious...
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Post by briguy52748 on Feb 19, 2015 19:45:39 GMT -5
Except that there appears to be legit negotiations going on and some details being worked out to syndicate these shows through a national syndicator (Premiere or someone else). Hence, why would we even see cease-and-desist order if this is all legit? I'm merely speculating this, as I have no more insight than has been provided by folks like Shannon... who probably know more about it than others on here. That said... You'd likely see C&Ds over the trading of Shadoe's shows because the property would (at that point that the show becomes available for syndication) be considered marketable and/or listener-worthy to the general public. It would be worth protecting the 'availability', such as the Casey shows currently enjoy. If there is money to be made by CC/iHeart in the Shadoe shows just as Casey and Ryan now do, it would be in their interests to curtail the unauthorized distribution of those Shadoe shows. I think I was a bit confused. Which I've done a lot of lately, I admit. I thought this was referring to C&D's being issued to radio stations that reair the Shadoe-hosted shows. Not trading on ebay and so forth. My apologies. Brian
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Post by Mike on Feb 20, 2015 0:16:27 GMT -5
I have a feeling the video is either a fake or an atempt by shadoe to put the idea into the public eye,the same video was posted on vimeo over a year ago and we havent heard of any stations offering to air the shows yet vimeo.com/75908780One reason I'm skeptical of this being the case, is why would Shadoe take an approach that is, essentially, similar to...well...us? It's established that Premiere owns the shows and the rights to them. Period. If he had any interest, himself, in seeing a distribution platform for his hosted shows becoming available for us to hear...then why on earth would he take such a public approach to proposing the idea? Why not simply approach Premiere directly, without attracting this kind of attention to the matter when the purpose is to propose the idea? While I do think it's odd that a video would have been posted advertising that these would be coming the following year, I don't see why it would be posted at all, let alone still be up, unless something was in fact in the works. If this were a total fake, I can't help but think that Premiere would have it pulled. At the same time, I wonder if the fact that these have been advertised for 2015, this year, all along, is why other details have not been forthcoming (likely some issues would've still been works-in-progress last year).
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Post by Shadoe Fan on Feb 20, 2015 11:03:13 GMT -5
Here's my theory on this: Shadoe has been wanting to get his AT40 syndicated for a while now. He creates a video to see if people will respond and share, gathering interest. He then can use the people's interest in his attempts to get someone to syndicate the show.
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Post by your friend on Feb 20, 2015 15:29:07 GMT -5
It's established that Premiere owns the shows and the rights to them. Period. There is some confusion about this, so I checked with my contact at Premiere Networks. Premiere owns the name "American Top 40" as well as all Casey and Ryan AT40 shows. Premiere essentially controls how the name "American Top 40" is used. Premiere does not, however, have ownership over the Shadoe AT40 nor the CT40 shows. Shannon Lynn also posted this on Facebook 30 minutes ago: "Just to clarify for all, Premiere is not the rights holder for AT40 with Shadoe Stevens."
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Post by michaelcasselman on Feb 20, 2015 15:43:42 GMT -5
My question would be... what happened in the last two years? The earlier statement was pretty clear-cut and all inclusive.
The AT40 broadcast 8/13/1988 was not so substantively different than the one on 8/6/1988, with the exception of who was hosting it. Same basic creative team, same overall owner/distributer/etc., which continued until it's hiatus in 1995. That the current 'ownership' of the show (which shares a continuity with the rest of an existing franchise) would be so splintered is one dinked-up situation.
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Post by dukelightning on Feb 20, 2015 16:04:36 GMT -5
Based on that info. that Premiere does not owns the rights to Shadoe shows, I would think that if it does come to pass, at least the shows won't infringe on the 80s series. Some people had been speculating that the Shadoe shows would be offered as B shows in the 80s series. That would have made it difficult to catch the shows as it is now with the B shows offered so far this year. But that is step 2 of the process. Step 1 is getting the shows on the air and that may be the bigger issue.
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Post by Mike on Feb 20, 2015 16:23:36 GMT -5
Unless terrestrial radio isn't the goal with this?
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Post by mga707 on Feb 20, 2015 16:27:53 GMT -5
It's established that Premiere owns the shows and the rights to them. Period. There is some confusion about this, so I checked with my contact at Premiere Networks. Premiere owns the name "American Top 40" as well as all Casey and Ryan AT40 shows. Premiere essentially controls how the name "American Top 40" is used. Premiere does not, however, have ownership over the Shadoe AT40 nor the CT40 shows. Shannon Lynn also posted this on Facebook 30 minutes ago: "Just to clarify for all, Premiere is not the rights holder for AT40 with Shadoe Stevens." Now that is an interesting twist. Since Premiere owns the name but not the programs, I could envision that if and when the Stevens shows are aired they might have to edit out all spoken references to "American Top 40". Kind of an audio equivalent to blurring of brand names on television shows.
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Post by BrettVW on Feb 20, 2015 16:34:16 GMT -5
And at that point - what's the point?
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Post by johnnywest on Feb 20, 2015 16:45:04 GMT -5
My question would be... what happened in the last two years? The earlier statement was pretty clear-cut and all inclusive. The AT40 broadcast 8/13/1988 was not so substantively different than the one on 8/6/1988, with the exception of who was hosting it. Same basic creative team, same overall owner/distributer/etc., which continued until it's hiatus in 1995. That the current 'ownership' of the show (which shares a continuity with the rest of an existing franchise) would be so splintered is one dinked-up situation. When Premiere bought the shows from ABC, they probably didn't want to pay for 6+ years of programs they though they'd they never air.
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Post by matt on Feb 20, 2015 16:49:59 GMT -5
^This is all very confusing. If ABC owned the show, and the show's rights reverted back to Casey and Don B in 1997, this is saying that wouldn't have included the Shadoe shows? Then who owns the rights to the Shadoe shows? Confusing...and strange.
My theory is that the promo was created merely to gauge interest in AT40 classic reruns of Shadoe shows. As to who created it is anyone's guess.
And for the record, I will be surprised if Shadoe's AT40 shows ever air in syndication on terrestrial radio. Not holding my breath anyway...
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Post by dukelightning on Feb 20, 2015 19:20:42 GMT -5
Just relaying information....the Shadoe shows were designated to Cumulus/Citadel when acquired by ABC Radio. That's why Premiere has nothing to do with them now or ever it would seem.
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Post by at40fansince1984 on Feb 20, 2015 19:46:31 GMT -5
Looking at that video again it has one big problem in it using Michael Jackson's "Man In The Mirror" as it was on the charts during Casey's run on AT40 & the only week Shadoe got to announce it was in the Top 100 of 1988 & whenever it was used as a request. Not to mention using Madonna's "Like A Prayer" & George Michael's "Freedom" as "historic songs" when they aren't their most memorable songs.
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