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Post by mstgator on Sept 29, 2014 17:28:02 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they did. If the song wasn't actively being promoted by the label, they wouldn't rechart it. If I remember correctly, the same rule kept old songs from re-entering the chart in 2001 after 9/11. But "Into The Night" was being promoted, at least some version of the single. Benny even recorded a new version. That same year Sheriff wasn't even a group and they went to number one with a reissue. But I'm with you, something had to have held it back. We talked about it before and some people contend that they never really heard the song. I personally heard it quite a bit in 1989. I can't imagine it didn't have enough airplay to have cracked the Top 40. It went to #25 on Hot 100 Airplay, which was pretty comparable to R&R's pop chart at that time, so it definitely should have charted if R&R didn't have some other reason to keep it off. It is strange that of all the old singles that got a significant airplay rebirth in the 1986-90 period (and there were quite a few), Benny Mardones was the only one to not impact R&R.
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Post by JMW on Sept 29, 2014 20:44:17 GMT -5
You're the first adult I've ever come across that doesn't know what it means.
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Post by jlthorpe on Sept 29, 2014 20:50:51 GMT -5
But "Into The Night" was being promoted, at least some version of the single. Benny even recorded a new version. That same year Sheriff wasn't even a group and they went to number one with a reissue. But I'm with you, something had to have held it back. We talked about it before and some people contend that they never really heard the song. I personally heard it quite a bit in 1989. I can't imagine it didn't have enough airplay to have cracked the Top 40. It went to #25 on Hot 100 Airplay, which was pretty comparable to R&R's pop chart at that time, so it definitely should have charted if R&R didn't have some other reason to keep it off. It is strange that of all the old singles that got a significant airplay rebirth in the 1986-90 period (and there were quite a few), Benny Mardones was the only one to not impact R&R. I was thinking the reason "Into the Night" didn't rechart was because it charted previously on R&R, but I checked and "Red Red Wine" recharted even though it charted previously.
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Post by woolebull on Sept 29, 2014 23:37:57 GMT -5
It went to #25 on Hot 100 Airplay, which was pretty comparable to R&R's pop chart at that time, so it definitely should have charted if R&R didn't have some other reason to keep it off. It is strange that of all the old singles that got a significant airplay rebirth in the 1986-90 period (and there were quite a few), Benny Mardones was the only one to not impact R&R. I was thinking the reason "Into the Night" didn't rechart was because it charted previously on R&R, but I checked and "Red Red Wine" recharted even though it charted previously. Even further back, "I'm So Excited" charted twice on R and R. I thought about something after I wrote it. Maybe the problem was that Benny did redo the song and some stations played the new version, cutting the number of airplays up between the two recordings (and to be honest I have no idea if Benny ever did release the 1989 version as a single). But then I thought about a year later and, "Unchained Melody".If something like that would happen, Billboard would be more "accurate" in showing the two singles versus Radio and Records who lumped together all airplay of both songs into one chart run (though I think AT 40 allowed the combination of both singles of "Melody" in its year end tabulations).
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Post by bandit73 on Sept 30, 2014 0:44:53 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they did. If the song wasn't actively being promoted by the label, they wouldn't rechart it. If I remember correctly, the same rule kept old songs from re-entering the chart in 2001 after 9/11. But "Into The Night" was being promoted, at least some version of the single. Benny even recorded a new version. That same year Sheriff wasn't even a group and they went to number one with a reissue. But I'm with you, something had to have held it back. We talked about it before and some people contend that they never really heard the song. I personally heard it quite a bit in 1989. I can't imagine it didn't have enough airplay to have cracked the Top 40. I heard it a lot in 1989 but never in 1980. However, in 1989, I don't think WLAP-FM Lexington played it, and that was the station I listed to the most back then.
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Post by woolebull on Sept 30, 2014 10:42:49 GMT -5
But "Into The Night" was being promoted, at least some version of the single. Benny even recorded a new version. That same year Sheriff wasn't even a group and they went to number one with a reissue. But I'm with you, something had to have held it back. We talked about it before and some people contend that they never really heard the song. I personally heard it quite a bit in 1989. I can't imagine it didn't have enough airplay to have cracked the Top 40. It went to #25 on Hot 100 Airplay, which was pretty comparable to R&R's pop chart at that time, so it definitely should have charted if R&R didn't have some other reason to keep it off. It is strange that of all the old singles that got a significant airplay rebirth in the 1986-90 period (and there were quite a few), Benny Mardones was the only one to not impact R&R. You had Sheriff, Peter Gabriel (which I could have sworn actually made R and R Top 40 in 1989), Missing Persons, Jimmy Harnen/Synch, Real Life, Sweet Sensation and Benny Mardones all in 1989 who came back with the exact same song they had released earlier, or remixed a song that had charted earlier. And that's just off the top of my head. But for the life of me, I can only think of one song in the 1990's that dropped off the R and R charts and came back on at a later date (not counting those songs that would drop to like 41 or 42 and reenter the Top 40 two, sometimes even more, times. That was "To The Moon And Back" by Savage Garden that peaked at like 21 in 1997 and then a year later went to 15. There might be some more, but that is the only one I can think of at the moment.
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Post by mkarns on Sept 30, 2014 11:03:14 GMT -5
It went to #25 on Hot 100 Airplay, which was pretty comparable to R&R's pop chart at that time, so it definitely should have charted if R&R didn't have some other reason to keep it off. It is strange that of all the old singles that got a significant airplay rebirth in the 1986-90 period (and there were quite a few), Benny Mardones was the only one to not impact R&R. You had Sheriff, Peter Gabriel (which I could have sworn actually made R and R Top 40 in 1989), Missing Persons, Jimmy Harnen/Synch, Real Life, Sweet Sensation and Benny Mardones all in 1989 who came back with the exact same song they had released earlier, or remixed a song that had charted earlier. And that's just off the top of my head. But for the life of me, I can only think of one song in the 1990's that dropped off the R and R charts and came back on at a later date (not counting those songs that would drop to like 41 or 42 and reenter the Top 40 two, sometimes even more, times. That was "To The Moon And Back" by Savage Garden that peaked at like 21 in 1997 and then a year later went to 15. There might be some more, but that is the only one I can think of at the moment. In summer 1989 Peter Gabriel recharted at #41 in Billboard with "In Your Eyes" after it was featured in "Say Anything...", but it didn't make Radio & Records' top 40. I do remember hearing it quite a bit then on radio and MTV. Speaking of "Say Anything..." it inspired the name of a popular locally (in my area) based band, the Lloyd Dobler Effect.
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Post by freakyflybry on Sept 30, 2014 11:07:16 GMT -5
It went to #25 on Hot 100 Airplay, which was pretty comparable to R&R's pop chart at that time, so it definitely should have charted if R&R didn't have some other reason to keep it off. It is strange that of all the old singles that got a significant airplay rebirth in the 1986-90 period (and there were quite a few), Benny Mardones was the only one to not impact R&R. You had Sheriff, Peter Gabriel (which I could have sworn actually made R and R Top 40 in 1989), Missing Persons, Jimmy Harnen/Synch, Real Life, Sweet Sensation and Benny Mardones all in 1989 who came back with the exact same song they had released earlier, or remixed a song that had charted earlier. And that's just off the top of my head. But for the life of me, I can only think of one song in the 1990's that dropped off the R and R charts and came back on at a later date (not counting those songs that would drop to like 41 or 42 and reenter the Top 40 two, sometimes even more, times. That was "To The Moon And Back" by Savage Garden that peaked at like 21 in 1997 and then a year later went to 15. There might be some more, but that is the only one I can think of at the moment. Others that did it in the 90's: Green Day - Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life) Mandy Moore - Candy Bruce Springsteen - Secret Garden
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Post by woolebull on Sept 30, 2014 12:37:26 GMT -5
You had Sheriff, Peter Gabriel (which I could have sworn actually made R and R Top 40 in 1989), Missing Persons, Jimmy Harnen/Synch, Real Life, Sweet Sensation and Benny Mardones all in 1989 who came back with the exact same song they had released earlier, or remixed a song that had charted earlier. And that's just off the top of my head. But for the life of me, I can only think of one song in the 1990's that dropped off the R and R charts and came back on at a later date (not counting those songs that would drop to like 41 or 42 and reenter the Top 40 two, sometimes even more, times. That was "To The Moon And Back" by Savage Garden that peaked at like 21 in 1997 and then a year later went to 15. There might be some more, but that is the only one I can think of at the moment. Others that did it in the 90's: Green Day - Good Riddance (Time Of Your Life) Mandy Moore - Candy Bruce Springsteen - Secret Garden Good calls on those. The Mandy Moore one is almost reminiscent of when The Coors did it a few months later. It wasn't gone that long, but it was gone. To most people they probably just thought the song never went away! In fact, all of the songs mentioned, including Savage Garden, made their second chart run pretty soon after their first one. Springsteen and Green Day were understandable because of their tie in to pop culture. Mandy Moore is more interesting, but I wonder why Savage Garden did it? It's not like they needed a song to put them over with the masses. In fact, "Moon" sandwiched one of the biggest hits of the 90's, "Truly, Madly, Deeply".
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Post by renfield75 on Sept 30, 2014 16:19:25 GMT -5
I think Savage Garden felt "To The Moon And Back" was a smash waiting to happen. It was their second single after "I Want You" but stalled out. It looked like they were heading for one-hit wonder status when their third single "Truly, Madly, Deeply" became a monster hit. With two big hits under their belt and some clout at radio, they thought the time was right for "To The Moon And Back" to finally get its due and take off. It did do slightly better the second time around, but clearly the public never found the song as phenomenal as the band and/or their management seemed to.
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Post by mstgator on Oct 2, 2014 18:30:11 GMT -5
Maybe the problem was that Benny did redo the song and some stations played the new version, cutting the number of airplays up between the two recordings (and to be honest I have no idea if Benny ever did release the 1989 version as a single). The 1989 re-recording was released as a single by Curb (incidentally the same label that released the 1990 re-recording of "Unchained Melody"). I can't say that I've ever heard it, just the original version rereleased on Polydor.
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Post by woolebull on Oct 3, 2014 18:26:56 GMT -5
Maybe the problem was that Benny did redo the song and some stations played the new version, cutting the number of airplays up between the two recordings (and to be honest I have no idea if Benny ever did release the 1989 version as a single). The 1989 re-recording was released as a single by Curb (incidentally the same label that released the 1990 re-recording of "Unchained Melody"). I can't say that I've ever heard it, just the original version rereleased on Polydor. I think I actually bought the cassingle. I thought it was the whole album, but now that you brought up the single being by Curb I'm not sure. At the time, I didn't know the difference between the two singles of "Into The Night". I either bought the album or the single: which had him in a jacket with a blue background. Here is an interesting question: The song went to 17 on the sales chart. I assume if whatever I bought was the single instead of the whole album was the Curb version (which I know it was Curb, I remember that), how could it be considered a "re-entry" instead of a new song? I mean, Billboard was pretty strict on "Unchained Melody", why would they not be on Mr. Mardones a year earlier? An afterthought: I have, as many of us do on this board, a pretty good memory when it comes to pop music and what we have bought over the years. It's funny I can't remember if I bought the whole album or just the single. If I did by the whole album, I treated it as a cassingle for sure
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Post by mstgator on Oct 5, 2014 14:55:45 GMT -5
The version I purchased in 1989 was a vinyl 45 on Polydor. Billboard shows that there was also a cassette single with the Polydor version (although their charts weren't always 100% accurate with regards to configurations), so it's possible that most of the sales came from the original version anyway and not the new recording on Curb. Unfortunately we'll probably never know for sure, unless somebody happens to unearth an article from that time discussing the situation.
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Post by woolebull on Oct 5, 2014 18:33:50 GMT -5
The version I purchased in 1989 was a vinyl 45 on Polydor. Billboard shows that there was also a cassette single with the Polydor version (although their charts weren't always 100% accurate with regards to configurations), so it's possible that most of the sales came from the original version anyway and not the new recording on Curb. Unfortunately we'll probably never know for sure, unless somebody happens to unearth an article from that time discussing the situation. I'm with you. While I didn't find an article on "Into The Night" and its unique second chart run, I did find an article on the fad we were talking about. Of note: the wrong year for Real Life's first release of "Send Me An Angel", and a song that when this subject comes up we don't really mention, but should be noted as well: "Iko Iko". It does talk about Polydor, however, and radio forcing its hand in selling "Into the Night" again as a single. articles.latimes.com/1989-05-07/entertainment/ca-3362_1_president-of-mca-records-capitol-records-vice-president-radio-stations
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Post by johnnywest on Nov 2, 2014 20:19:00 GMT -5
I believe "Pac-Man Fever" hit #9 in Billboard but didn't make R&R.
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