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Post by Michael on Oct 16, 2013 0:30:56 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 5:32:52 GMT -5
If Hall & Oates aren't voted in I hope no one takes this thing seriously ever again.
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Post by woolebull on Oct 16, 2013 6:33:30 GMT -5
If Hall & Oates aren't voted in I hope no one takes this thing seriously ever again. First time nominated...so bad. Of course, you're going to have some writers (and musicians) that won't vote them in because it's their first time on the ballot. H and O should have been in years ago. It will be interesting to see how they do their first time out. It will be a tough year to get in. I think Nirvana is a shoo-in. I think NWA and Deep Purple as well. The other two will be interesting to see. Some good candidates. But if Peter Gabriel gets in as a solo act over groups like Chic, I don't think I will ever take the Hall seriously again. They almost lost me by putting Heart in last year. I hope they reverse the trend. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 6:48:11 GMT -5
For full disclosure, I already don't take it or any hall of fame seriously for precisely the type of stupidity you just said. "Well yeah they are good but not a FIRST BALLOT Hall of Famer!" If they are a HOF'er then they are a HOF'er. It isn't like they are going to release a great album to put them over the hump before the next vote. This whole first ballot crap was something the media concocted for themselves to make them and their vote seem more important and give them more power than they deserve. See: laws and regulations passed in Washington DC for another similar example of this behavior.
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Post by woolebull on Oct 16, 2013 7:05:55 GMT -5
For full disclosure, I already don't take it or any hall of fame seriously for precisely the type of stupidity you just said. "Well yeah they are good but not a FIRST BALLOT Hall of Famer!" If they are a HOF'er then they are a HOF'er. It isn't like they are going to release a great album to put them over the hump before the next vote. This whole first ballot crap was something the media concocted for themselves to make them and their vote seem more important and give them more power than they deserve. See: laws and regulations passed in Washington DC for another similar example of this behavior. 8 baseball writers didn't vote for Cal Ripken, Jr. the first time. That's 8 people who should never write another baseball article, much less have the chance to vote for the Hall of Fame. And if some music writers do that to Nirvana because it is their first time, I feel the same way. They should never cover another musical event this side of an elementary school Thanksgiving extravaganza. Ever. |
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Oct 16, 2013 8:14:52 GMT -5
OK, I don't agree with the first ballot crap. I also don't agree with MANY of their exclusions. Rush finally making it in was a nice step, but for non rock, especially rap and hip hop, to make it in, to a ROCK hall of fame before some of the pioneers of music, is sad.
Now I know people, especially Blackbowl, will get on me for dissing on rap and hip hop, but it IS the ROCK & ROLL hall of fame, not the MUSIC hall of fame. If it was, they would all be fine with me... Even though Rap & Hip Hop aren't totally music... but I digress...
Hall & Oates should've been in a LONG time ago. Not really "rock" but Soul/Motown styles are way closer to rock than others that have gone in recently.
Of the ones up for going in, I'd say the following SHOULD go in:
H&O, Chic, Deep Purple, Yes, Linda Ronstadt, The Meters and Link Wray.
I think all but 2 will get in
They'll probably do either LL Cool J or NWA instead of The Meters, which again, is wrong, but whatever.
Also, either Yes or Deep Purple won't go in in favor of Nirvana. Nirvana does belong eventually, but there is TONS of groups that should be in first...
(Those being Iron Butterfly, BTO, Guess Who, James Gang, Yes, Deep Purple etc....)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 14:57:37 GMT -5
OK, I don't agree with the first ballot crap. I also don't agree with MANY of their exclusions. Rush finally making it in was a nice step, but for non rock, especially rap and hip hop, to make it in, to a ROCK hall of fame before some of the pioneers of music, is sad. Now I know people, especially Blackbowl, will get on me for dissing on rap and hip hop, but it IS the ROCK & ROLL hall of fame, not the MUSIC hall of fame. If it was, they would all be fine with me... Even though Rap & Hip Hop aren't totally music... but I digress... Hall & Oates should've been in a LONG time ago. Not really "rock" but Soul/Motown styles are way closer to rock than others that have gone in recently. Of the ones up for going in, I'd say the following SHOULD go in: H&O, Chic, Deep Purple, Yes, Linda Ronstadt, The Meters and Link Wray. I think all but 2 will get in They'll probably do either LL Cool J or NWA instead of The Meters, which again, is wrong, but whatever. Also, either Yes or Deep Purple won't go in in favor of Nirvana. Nirvana does belong eventually, but there is TONS of groups that should be in first... (Those being Iron Butterfly, BTO, Guess Who, James Gang, Yes, Deep Purple etc....) Unless there is a written criteria that says something to the effect of "thou must be rock n roll genre only to get in" then r&b, hip hop, rap, etc is implied as this stuff was pop music out side by side with rock. IMO, "rock n roll" in this case is meant in describing the music era as a whole, not a format for this type of music exclusively. If I'm wrong, so be it. I'd feel entirely different if this was the Alternative HOF, AC HOF, Grunge HOF, and so forth. |
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Post by woolebull on Oct 16, 2013 15:00:16 GMT -5
OK, I don't agree with the first ballot crap. I also don't agree with MANY of their exclusions. Rush finally making it in was a nice step, but for non rock, especially rap and hip hop, to make it in, to a ROCK hall of fame before some of the pioneers of music, is sad. Now I know people, especially Blackbowl, will get on me for dissing on rap and hip hop, but it IS the ROCK & ROLL hall of fame, not the MUSIC hall of fame. If it was, they would all be fine with me... Even though Rap & Hip Hop aren't totally music... but I digress... Hall & Oates should've been in a LONG time ago. Not really "rock" but Soul/Motown styles are way closer to rock than others that have gone in recently. Of the ones up for going in, I'd say the following SHOULD go in: H&O, Chic, Deep Purple, Yes, Linda Ronstadt, The Meters and Link Wray. I think all but 2 will get in They'll probably do either LL Cool J or NWA instead of The Meters, which again, is wrong, but whatever. Also, either Yes or Deep Purple won't go in in favor of Nirvana. Nirvana does belong eventually, but there is TONS of groups that should be in first... (Those being Iron Butterfly, BTO, Guess Who, James Gang, Yes, Deep Purple etc....) LL Cool J is not getting in over NWA. My take on Nirvana and why they should be in (along for NWA, and more to the point Dr. Dre, but I'll save that for another time) their first ballot is that they literally changed the popular music scene. And the perfect example of that are the pop charts of Radio and Records from the 1990's. You can look at the biggest hits of the 80's and for the most part they are the songs that are still a part of our world today. And most of them were big hits on the pop charts (try to think of the most iconic 80's hits that didn't hit the Top 40, it's pretty hard...maybe "In Your Eyes" and "Forever Young" by Alphaville). Nirvana had four R and R hits, and never got past number 9 on the CHR. However, if you play "Smells Like Teen Spirit" up against "I Love You Always Forever" and asked which song defined the 90's, you would get "Smells Like Teen Spirit" from, I believe, most people. But here's the thing, you could ask that about many songs that were not big pop hits in the 90's and the hits that were not big hits on CHR stations would many times beat the big CHR hits. The 90's in many ways, are defined by Nirvana's music, good or bad. Heck one of the reasons that there was a decline in the CHR shows in the 90's is, in my opinion, people weren't listening to that type of music as much as they were to the likes of Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Nine Inch Nails, and so forth. Some alternative acts crossed over, but a ton did not. And the stations that once were hip playing the likes of MC Hammer and Poison in 1990 were outdated by 1992. And a ton of that has to do with Nirvana. To me Rock-N-Roll is obviously about rock music, but it is also a state of mind, attitude, and culture. Nirvana changed our culture. Nirvana changed the conversation. Nirvana was the conversation. And for the record, I'm not a big Nirvana fan at all. I just feel that they helped to revolutionize what the world listened to. And for the first time in decades, what was on the Top 40 did not necessarily equate to the 40 most popular songs at a given time in America. To me, that's a big deal. I do agree with your other choices, except Yes. I think Chic should have been in nine years ago. And it is about time Hall and Oates were nominated. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 15:05:41 GMT -5
I disagree here. Cobain's death changed the opinion of people in regards to Nirvana. Not trivializing that or what they did but without that they are a band with 1 semi major hit, a few minor charting songs, a big deal on MTV until they turned into all trash so-called reality shows. And I don't think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is "as big" a 90s defining song then. Still known? Yes. Still big? Yes. But one of the most remembered? I don't know.
It sure as hell wouldn't have been MTV's #1 video of all time if not for him dying.
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Post by woolebull on Oct 16, 2013 15:14:57 GMT -5
I disagree here. Cobain's death changed the opinion of people in regards to Nirvana. Not trivializing that or what they did but without that they are a band with 1 semi major hit, a few minor charting songs, a big deal on MTV until they turned into all trash so-called reality shows. And I don't think "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is "as big" a 90s defining song then. Still known? Yes. Still big? Yes. But one of the most remembered? I don't know. It sure as hell wouldn't have been MTV's #1 video of all time if not for him dying. Death has a way of making martyrs, no doubt! But I think that if you take the top 10 songs of the 1990's, from a CHR perspective, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is more iconic than any of them. I'd say the same for "Jeremy" as well. I couldn't do that for the 1980's. The songs that were big on radio then are still "big" now. I don't think the big radio hits of the 90's are what people remember about the 90's. Some of the songs, but not close to all of them. |
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Post by woolebull on Oct 16, 2013 15:28:39 GMT -5
It sure as hell wouldn't have been MTV's #1 video of all time if not for him dying. For what it's worth "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was named the number two video of all time by Rolling Stone in 1993 before Cobain died, with "Sledgehammer" coming in at 1. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 15:32:46 GMT -5
It sure as hell wouldn't have been MTV's #1 video of all time if not for him dying. For what it's worth "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was named the number two video of all time by Rolling Stone in 1993 before Cobain died, with "Sledgehammer" coming in at 1. I'm honor of that list: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way off the subject but watching the NLCS I have seen this Red Sox playoff commercial several times this week. Plus I've obviously seem them play and this happen during the game. Anyone else find a bunch of grown men pulling on each other's beards for fun creepy? |
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Post by woolebull on Oct 16, 2013 16:06:30 GMT -5
For what it's worth "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was named the number two video of all time by Rolling Stone in 1993 before Cobain died, with "Sledgehammer" coming in at 1. I'm honor of that list: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way off the subject but watching the NLCS I have seen this Red Sox playoff commercial several times this week. Plus I've obviously seem them play and this happen during the game. Anyone else find a bunch of grown men pulling on each other's beards for fun creepy? LOL...yup! Leave the beards alone! Speaking of videos and their significance (or lack thereof), anyone ever wonder why "Vogue" was always near the top? I swear, it seemed throughout the 90's "Vogue" "Teen Spirit", "Sledghammer" and "Thriller" were always ranked somehow in the Top 4 videos of all time. Why was "Vogue" always so high? |
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Oct 16, 2013 21:11:42 GMT -5
Vogue, probably artsy fartsy reasons.
As for Nirvana, they were pretty darn popular before he died and of course elevated to legend status afterwards.
I agree they're one of the defining bands of the 90's, even if I'm not a fan of them. Pearl Jam either. First ballot worthy? Not with so many older bands still needing election.
As for LL over NWA, I think him because he's more mainstream.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 21:14:21 GMT -5
I'm honor of that list: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way off the subject but watching the NLCS I have seen this Red Sox playoff commercial several times this week. Plus I've obviously seem them play and this happen during the game. Anyone else find a bunch of grown men pulling on each other's beards for fun creepy? LOL...yup! Leave the beards alone! Speaking of videos and their significance (or lack thereof), anyone ever wonder why "Vogue" was always near the top? I swear, it seemed throughout the 90's "Vogue" "Teen Spirit", "Sledghammer" and "Thriller" were always ranked somehow in the Top 4 videos of all time. Why was "Vogue" always so high? You forgot "Jeremy" "November Rain" and "Money for Nothing." As far as why. Possibly because it was something somewhat different for its time maybe? I mean there was nothing ultra super spectacular about it. But it is one of those videos and songs for that matter that define that era. |
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