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Post by woolebull on Jun 29, 2013 16:21:40 GMT -5
In honor of Briguy and his love for the country charts, I was wondering what was the longest span of time that AT or CT 40 went without having a song from the Country charts crossover? I'm guessing somewhere between 1992/93 ("When She Cries" on CT and AT 40) and Faith Hill or Shania Twain in 1997, but I might be missing a song or songs in between. I know we go from Deborah Allen to Restless Heart which was over three years. We go RH to Roy Orbison (a little over a year and a half), and then RO to Billy Ray Cyrus (on CT...I don't think BRC made it on AT) which was over three years. Then Restless Heart again in 1992/93. Anyone know of any songs between Restless Heart and 1997?
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Post by chrislc on Jun 29, 2013 17:16:32 GMT -5
It's hard to believe Garth Brooks never made the Top 40 during his peak. Or Alan Jackson. Just goes to show how fragmented radio became. Not a good thing. Isn't it about time someone tried a "hit music" format, that played the biggest hits from the different formats?
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Post by woolebull on Jun 29, 2013 17:34:42 GMT -5
It's hard to believe Garth Brooks never made the Top 40 during his peak. Or Alan Jackson. Just goes to show how fragmented radio became. Not a good thing. Isn't it about time someone tried a "hit music" format, that played the biggest hits from the different formats? I'm with you...hard to believe George Strait, Clint Black, Garth, etc. never hit the Top 40, yet Restless Heart did twice. Not that Restless Heart wasn't big, but it shows, like you said, how fragmented radio was. Even if you used the Hot 100, it was still way off. I think it would be great to have a "hit music" format...especially for the 90's where you had distinctive huge hits on the dance, country, and rap charts that never came close to the Top 40.
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Post by woolebull on Jun 29, 2013 18:55:18 GMT -5
"Hard Luck Woman" hit both AT 40 and CT 40, if I remember correctly. It didn't hit the Country charts, however.
While Gaines/Brooks hit the Top 5 on the Hot 100, it never made AT 40.
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Post by woolebull on Jun 29, 2013 19:00:44 GMT -5
In honor of Briguy and his love for the country charts, I was wondering what was the longest span of time that AT or CT 40 went without having a song from the Country charts crossover? I'm guessing somewhere between 1992/93 ("When She Cries" on CT and AT 40) and Faith Hill or Shania Twain in 1997, but I might be missing a song or songs in between. I know we go from Deborah Allen to Restless Heart which was over three years. We go RH to Roy Orbison (a little over a year and a half), and then RO to Billy Ray Cyrus (on CT...I don't think BRC made it on AT) which was over three years. Then Restless Heart again in 1992/93. Anyone know of any songs between Restless Heart and 1997? Actually I thought Willie/ Julio had the last Urban Cowboy era crossover in Spring 1984. Tim McGraw had several mid 90s top 40s. Remember until 1998, songs had to be released as singles to reach the Hot 100 and most country tunes of that era were album cuts. Remember all the huge 90s pop songs that never reached the Hot 100 because they weren't released as singles (No Doubt, Will Smith, the "Friends" song, etc) You are definitely right about Julio and Willie. Good catch. I totally understand what happened with the Hot 100. Hence, why I asked the question about hitting AT or CT 40, not the Hot 100. What was the first song after "When She Cries" to hit AT or CT 40 and the Top 40 on the Country chart, and what was the time span. Tim McGraw did not hit AT 40 until something like nine years ago.
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Post by freakyflybry on Jun 29, 2013 20:39:07 GMT -5
It was "How Do I Live" by LeAnn Rimes that made CT40 in 1997 that ended the skid of no country crossovers in the top 40 since Restless Heart four years prior. (Garth Brooks did chart on CT40 with "Hard Luck Woman" in 1994 as mentioned though.)
Since then, I know of the following country artists who made the top 40 pop: Shania Twain Faith Hill Lonestar Lee Ann Womack Dixie Chicks Tim McGraw Keith Urban Rascal Flatts Carrie Underwood Taylor Swift (though not all of her songs are specifically country) Lady Antebellum The Band Perry Hunter Hayes Florida Georgia Line EDIT: Sam Hunt charted in 2015 with "Take Your Time"
Jennifer Nettles of Sugarland also appeared on Bon Jovi's hit "Who Says You Can't Go Home"
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Post by woolebull on Jun 29, 2013 20:54:18 GMT -5
The 90s were all screwed up because of Billboard's chart mythology and way record companies manipulated it by either not releasing singles, having a limited edition single just to be eligible to chart, or flooding the market with discounted singles so a song could have an exaggerated peak. So comparing eras is tricky just as 2012-on will be because of the new chart mythology. With that said the biggest drought, IMO, was between To All The Girls and I'll Still Be Loving You since country songs were still being released as singles at that time. Only Bop came close. Only mid 90s song that comes to mind is Leann Rimes' Blue, top 40 country and Hot 100 in 1996; can't recall if it ever reached CT/AT40 though. Yeah, I'm with you on comparing eras. So were the Country charts in "Billboard" during the 1990's not based on singles but on airplay? I didn't know that! BTW, didn't, "Stuck On You" do the trick after Julio and Willie?
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Post by woolebull on Jun 29, 2013 20:56:52 GMT -5
It was "How Do I Live" by LeAnn Rimes that made CT40 in 1997 that ended the skid of no country crossovers in the top 40 since Restless Heart four years prior. (Garth Brooks did chart on CT40 with "Hard Luck Woman" in 1994 as mentioned though.) Since then, I know of the following country artists who made the top 40 pop: Shania Twain Faith Hill Lonestar Lee Ann Womack Dixie Chicks Tim McGraw Keith Urban Rascal Flatts Carrie Underwood Taylor Swift (though not all of her songs are specifically country) Lady Antebellum The Band Perry Hunter Hayes Florida Georgia Line Jennifer Nettles of Sugarland also appeared on Bon Jovi's hit "Who Says You Can't Go Home" Thank you! I knew it was one of the "country divas" but did not know which one. I know Bob Carlisle came close in May of 1997, but fell short of the Country part.
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Post by mstgator on Jul 1, 2013 21:43:51 GMT -5
The 90s were all screwed up because of Billboard's chart mythology and way record companies manipulated it by either not releasing singles, having a limited edition single just to be eligible to chart, or flooding the market with discounted singles so a song could have an exaggerated peak. So comparing eras is tricky just as 2012-on will be because of the new chart mythology. With that said the biggest drought, IMO, was between To All The Girls and I'll Still Be Loving You since country songs were still being released as singles at that time. Only Bop came close. Only mid 90s song that comes to mind is Leann Rimes' Blue, top 40 country and Hot 100 in 1996; can't recall if it ever reached CT/AT40 though. Yeah, I'm with you on comparing eras. So were the Country charts in "Billboard" during the 1990's not based on singles but on airplay? I didn't know that! BTW, didn't, "Stuck On You" do the trick after Julio and Willie? You are correct, Lionel Richie's pop smash "Stuck On You" hit #24 Country several months after Julio & Willie. The Billboard Country chart was the first to use monitored airplay (beginning in January 1990), and in fact had become an airplay only chart in May 1987. It would be more than 25 years before sales became a factor again in the main Country chart, with Billboard's major methodology changes late in 2012.
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Post by briguy52748 on Jul 1, 2013 22:09:58 GMT -5
I always thought the correct answer was one of several, but as I find more and more, not necessarily so:
• 1984-1987: "Stuck On You" by Lionel Richie to "I'll Still Be Loving You" by Restless Heart.
• 1987-1989: "I'll Still Be Loving You" by Restless Heart to "You Got It" by Roy Orbison.
• 1989-1992: "You Got It" by Roy Orbison to "Achy Breaky Heart" by Billy Ray Cyrus (which may not have made AT40/CT40, but the traditional Billboard Hot 100 ... don't have time to check tonight) ... or "When She Cries" by Restless Heart.
And then I think Tim McGraw had a couple in between 1994 and when LeAnn Rimes hit with "How Do I Live" in 1997.
I think since about the mid-1980s, it's seemed to have gone in spurts with more than just the occasional song that happens to not only cross over but make the top 40 ... that is, a short time period where multiple crossover hits are on the chart, followed by a period of very few to none at all.
Brian
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Post by mkarns on Jul 1, 2013 22:16:10 GMT -5
• 1989-1992: " You Got It" by Roy Orbison to " Achy Breaky Heart" by Billy Ray Cyrus (which may not have made AT40/CT40, but the traditional Billboard Hot 100 ... don't have time to check tonight) ... or " When She Cries" by Restless Heart. Brian "Achy Breaky Heart" hit #27 on CT40, #38 on AT40.
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Post by briguy52748 on Jul 2, 2013 9:32:46 GMT -5
"Achy Breaky Heart" hit #27 on CT40, #38 on AT40. Now, the question is – what about that time between early 1993 (when Restless Heart's " When She Cries" finished its top 40 run) and 1997 when LeAnn Rimes hit with " How Do I Live"? I'll do some checking of my own, but except for maybe Tim McGraw (it seems like " Indian Outaw" may have also been a significant pop hit), I can't think of anything in that four-plus year timeframe. Brian
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Post by woolebull on Jul 2, 2013 12:57:46 GMT -5
"Achy Breaky Heart" hit #27 on CT40, #38 on AT40. Now, the question is – what about that time between early 1993 (when Restless Heart's " When She Cries" finished its top 40 run) and 1997 when LeAnn Rimes hit with " How Do I Live"? I'll do some checking of my own, but except for maybe Tim McGraw (it seems like " Indian Outaw" may have also been a significant pop hit), I can't think of anything in that four-plus year timeframe. Brian Indian Outlaw did not hit CT 40...I don't think it hit AT 40 either. Other than "Hard Luck Woman", which I don't think hit the country chart, I can't think of any. "Butterfly Kisses" was the closest as far as I can tell.
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Post by freakyflybry on Jul 2, 2013 23:40:23 GMT -5
Rather oddly, while Restless Heart did have a top 40 follow-up on AT40/CT40 to "When She Cries".... "Tell Me What You Dream" wasn't a country hit!
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Post by woolebull on Jul 3, 2013 17:18:05 GMT -5
Rather oddly, while Restless Heart did have a top 40 follow-up on AT40/CT40 to "When She Cries".... "Tell Me What You Dream" wasn't a country hit! Something crazy as well, "Tell Me What You Dream" was on some copies of the album "Big Iron Horses", but it wasn't on others. I know...I bought the silly thing for that ONE SONG and I got a copy where it wasn't on it
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