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Post by pgfromwp on Jul 24, 2012 12:51:25 GMT -5
Returning to the inquiry by at40petebattistini about bubbling under songs leaping into the top 60 the following week, I found one such occurrence early in the AT40 era: "25 or 6 to 4" by Chicago bubbled under at #130 at 7/18/70, then jumped 80 notches to #50 at 7/25/70 (these are Billboard chart dates).
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jul 24, 2012 13:08:54 GMT -5
Returning to the inquiry by at40petebattistini about bubbling under songs leaping into the top 60 the following week, I found one such occurrence early in the AT40 era: "25 or 6 to 4" by Chicago bubbled under at #130 at 7/18/70, then jumped 80 notches to #50 at 7/25/70 (these are Billboard chart dates). What a leap! It's quite possible that it's the greatest jump from Bubbling Under territory onto the Hot 100 -- not too many charts have more than 30 bubbling under records. pgfromwp, A great catch!
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Post by mct1 on Jul 24, 2012 22:26:10 GMT -5
^Actually, what I suggested is listing any record that "bubbled under" one week, and the following week was listed within the Top 60 on the Hot 100. I don't believe that happened all that often. But I can't say for sure because I don't have access to many of the Bubbling Under charts. My sense is also that it probably didn't happen much. I would think that most songs debuting within the Top 60 were brand new releases with significant out-of-the-gate momentum. It would seem to require an odd set of circumstances for a song to be on the Bubbling Under chart one week and in the Top 60 the following week. That said, I know of one more. According to the Billboard issues posted on Google Books, Phil Collins' "Don't Lose My Number" debuted on the Bubbling Under charts at #106 the week of 7/13/85, then debuted in the Hot 100 at #46 the following week, 7/20/85. That "Don't Lose My Number" would debut on the Hot 100 at #46 isn't that surprising, as Collins was a very hot act at the time (i.e., the "new releases with significant out-of-the-gate momentum" concept noted above). That its first week out would have only been good enough to make the Bubbling Under chart rather than the Hot 100 is very odd, though. The best explanation I can come up with is that the single must have either 1) been released on a date that allowed a day or two's worth of sales to count towards the chart rather than a full week or 2) been in what would today be called a "street date violation" situation. I'm not aware of other cases from that time period where songs behaved like this, though. Why would either of those things have happened to "Don't Lose My Number", but not to any other songs from that era? The Chicago example cited earlier is similar. Chicago wasn't as big at that point as Collins was in July 1985, but they had recently scored a Top 10 single with "Make Me Smile", which had just dropped off the Hot 100 a few weeks earlier. (Like many songs from that era, "Make Me Smile" took a big fall out of the Hot 100 from within the Top 40. Under chart conditions of the late '70s or '80s, it probably would have still been on the Hot 100 the week "25 Or 6 To 4" appeared on the Bubbling Under chart.) Woudn't there seem to have been enough interest in a new Chicago single for it to place higher than #130 its first week out? That it debuted on the Hot 100 at #50 isn't surprising, but that it was at #130 the week before is.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jul 25, 2012 2:11:57 GMT -5
mct1, Thank you for your contribution to this list. My reasoning for setting the bar so high is due to the infrequency of this type of chart movement. Your example as well as the one before fits the billing -- they're significant. Note too that, by definition, this can be subjective. If you see something else that you believe is significant, bring it on.
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Post by pgfromwp on Jul 25, 2012 10:17:01 GMT -5
Since I haven't been successful locating other leapers from the bubbling under group in any AT40 period chart, I randomly researched late 1968 Billboard magazine archives and found two noteworthy (for that period) songs: "I Heard it Through the Grapevine" by Marvin Gaye (which would eventually hold the #1 spot for several weeks) bubbled under at #108 on 11/16/68 and jumped 74 notches to #34 the following week; "See Saw" by Aretha Franklin bubbled under at #107 also on 11/16/68 and jumped 72 notches to #35 the following week. I found it interesting that such a commercially successful single as "...Grapevine", covered by a popular artist (Marvin Gaye), would have bubbled under the hot 100 at all.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jul 26, 2012 5:08:11 GMT -5
^The two Bubbling Under examples from 1968 as well as doomsdaymachine's suggestion (below) have been added as Honorable Mentions. Thanks guys! If you want to go back to the pre-AT40 era, Jeannie C. Riley's "Harper Valley PTA" leaped from #81 - #7 in the week ending August 31, 1968. I believe Casey once said that was a record. This, of course, opens the door to other unusual chart climbs prior to 1970. .
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Post by dukelightning on Jul 26, 2012 8:56:45 GMT -5
I was thinking about starting a new thread titled, "Your favorite charts in the classic era because of chart movements and such (as opposed to fave charts based on songs and artists). But instead, I will post here that what may be the AT40 show with the most double digit movers in the classic era is that of the chart date for 2/27/71. There were 7 such songs with the Partridge Family's "Doesn't Somebody Want to be Wanted" the biggest mover at 18 notches. Did not hit #1 but 2 of the other double digit movers that week did and those songs were "Me and Bobby Magee" and "Just My Imagination".
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Post by pgfromwp on Jul 26, 2012 9:03:21 GMT -5
^Serving up another honorable mention: "A Ray of Hope" by The Rascals bubbled under at #106 on 11/30/68, then jumped 48 notches to #58 on 12/07/68. (Still not successful finding additional occurrences within the AT40 era; wonder if there was a change in methodology sometime in 1970 regarding qualifications for songs to be considered as "bubbling unders.")
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Post by pgfromwp on Jul 26, 2012 11:05:48 GMT -5
^...and one more: "A Song of Joy" bubbled under at #101 on 6/06/70 and jumped 52 notches to #49 on 6/13/70 -- this could be considered within Casey's time as it remained in the top 40 for the first five AT40 shows.
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jul 26, 2012 17:52:40 GMT -5
pgfromwp, I've added both of those similar-sounding song titles...thanks!
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Post by pgfromwp on Jul 26, 2012 19:24:07 GMT -5
...and now, one leaper from Casey's AT40 period: "Amazing Grace" (by the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards) bubbled under at #102 on 5/13/72, then jumped 43 notches to #59 on 5/20/72.
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Post by pgfromwp on Aug 8, 2012 12:00:54 GMT -5
Found another leaper into the AT40 era top 60: "Cried Like a Baby" by Bobby Sherman bubbled under at #107 on 2/06/71, then charted at #59 the next week on 2/13/71.
Bringing this thread back to life!
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Post by at40petebattistini on Aug 10, 2012 23:23:53 GMT -5
Found another leaper into the AT40 era top 60: "Cried Like a Baby" by Bobby Sherman bubbled under at #107 on 2/06/71, then charted at #59 the next week on 2/13/71. Bringing this thread back to life! pgfromwp, Thanks for your latest find!
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Post by pgfromwp on Aug 12, 2012 20:44:16 GMT -5
Here are four more leapers into the top 60 (this, plus my previous posts, exhausts my research through 12/31/74):
1970: "One Man Band" by Chicago (decent; nowhere near their previous hit "Out in the Country) bubbled under at #101 on 11/14/70, then charted at #55 on 11/21/70. 1971: "Superstar" by the Carpenters (one of three top 20 songs by that title -- and the best, IMHO -- that charted in 1971, each with different lyrics) bubbled under at #101 at 8/28/71, then charted at #49 on 9/04/71. 1972: "Sweet Surrender" by Bread (a nice tune that receives little to no current airplay) bubbled under at #101 on 11/04/72, then charted at #55 on 11/11/72. 1974: "Skin Tight" by Ohio Players (ok, but not as strong as their next charted song, "Fire") bubbled under at #101 on 8/31/74, then charted at #45 on 9/07/74.
Two trends are noted: Fewer songs leaped into the top 60 from a bubbling under position as the decade of the 1970's progressed; also, many of these songs bubbled under at a position of 101 or nearby.
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on Aug 12, 2012 22:04:16 GMT -5
Here are four more leapers into the top 60 (this, plus my previous posts, exhausts my research through 12/31/74): 1970: "One Man Band" by Chicago (decent; nowhere near their previous hit "Out in the Country) bubbled under at #101 on 11/14/70, then charted at #55 on 11/21/70. You mean Three Dog Night.
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