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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 11:28:14 GMT -5
I've heard bits and pieces. As a host I'd say she's ok. You are going to get what you get with her. It isn't like I expect her to be like a regular dj. But I'm glad someone else understands dropping the Hot 100 didn't kill AT40 nor should it have gone back to it in 98.
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Post by dukelightning on Jul 21, 2014 11:30:42 GMT -5
Matt, you are onto my thoughts recently about this. First after hearing the top 100 soul songs of 1974 that doomsdaymachine had alerted us to, and not skipping one song and then hearing an AT40 from 2003 shortly thereafter and like you in this Julie Brown countdown, having to skip like a dozen hip hop/rap/R&B or whatever the heck they are calling it then, I could not help but ask, is that the best you guys can do? I can listen to entire top 100 soul songs countdown, not skip one song and then in just a 40 song countdown, I end up skipping over 10 songs. What gives? And lately after hearing AT40s from the Soundscan era, I have wondered what it would be like to hear a survey based on the Hot 100. Your analysis of the SXM countdown provides me an answer and not a surprising one.
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Post by mkarns on Jul 21, 2014 14:15:20 GMT -5
Curious to know how many of the SXM users on the boards have ever checked out Julie Brown's "Back In the Day Replay" countdowns on SXM 90's on 9. I thought I would try it out and see what it was like in comparison to Rick Dees or CT40. Turns out that SXM/Julie Brown uses the actual Hot 100 chart from the time for those shows, and I gotta tell everyone that after listening I have never been more convinced that abandoning the Hot 100 by Casey and AT40/Shadoe was the ONLY way to go. The shows are almost unlistenable...after about the first 10 songs or so (the show is a top 30 countdown), I found myself jumping ahead to the next song over and over in hopes of finding at least a tolerable song. So much in the way of terrible R&B and rap/hip hop--really hard to understand how R&B got so bad compared to the amazing Motown tunes of the 60's and 70's, and several of the great R&B hits of the 80's. It's worth noting that this show only covers the top 30, something that's been a recent countdown trend. I suspect that American Top 40 would be AT30 if it were starting today. At least most of the 1990 and 1991 shows match the AT40 charts that Shadoe counted down (until November 1991, of course.) Beyond that, I don't bother recording or listening to the countdowns entirely, but rather will just kind of skim through and pick and choose to hear certain songs or segments. "Downtown" Julie Brown's hosting is fine but there's only so much she can do to interest me in a show where many songs I don't remember (or barely knew in the first place) are said to be top hits while those that were played a lot, and are still much remembered/played today, are completely absent. And that's not her or SXM's fault; it was Billboard rules and methodology from 15-20 years ago, and probably radio's fault from the time as well. |
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Post by darnall42 on Jul 21, 2014 16:30:51 GMT -5
it's been nice to hear some casey kasem from the 90s on the radio,enjoyed listening to the top 40 of the 1990s and top 100 of 1998 shows,lets hope more are offered up  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 18:19:28 GMT -5
Curious to know how many of the SXM users on the boards have ever checked out Julie Brown's "Back In the Day Replay" countdowns on SXM 90's on 9. I thought I would try it out and see what it was like in comparison to Rick Dees or CT40. Turns out that SXM/Julie Brown uses the actual Hot 100 chart from the time for those shows, and I gotta tell everyone that after listening I have never been more convinced that abandoning the Hot 100 by Casey and AT40/Shadoe was the ONLY way to go. The shows are almost unlistenable...after about the first 10 songs or so (the show is a top 30 countdown), I found myself jumping ahead to the next song over and over in hopes of finding at least a tolerable song. So much in the way of terrible R&B and rap/hip hop--really hard to understand how R&B got so bad compared to the amazing Motown tunes of the 60's and 70's, and several of the great R&B hits of the 80's. It's worth noting that this show only covers the top 30, something that's been a recent countdown trend. I suspect that American Top 40 would be AT30 if it were starting today. At least most of the 1990 and 1991 shows match the AT40 charts that Shadoe counted down (until November 1991, of course.) Beyond that, I don't bother recording or listening to the countdowns entirely, but rather will just kind of skim through and pick and choose to hear certain songs or segments. "Downtown" Julie Brown's hosting is fine but there's only so much she can do to interest me in a show where many songs I don't remember (or barely knew in the first place) are said to be top hits while those that were played a lot, and are still much remembered/played today, are completely absent. And that's not her or SXM's fault; it was Billboard rules and methodology from 15-20 years ago, and probably radio's fault from the time as well. I don't know why you'd fault radio. They were playing what was popular in their genre. I'm sure if you turned on a station that catered to hip hop and rap you would have heard a lot of this. About the Top 30 thing. Maybe. I say that because when I've listened to the CHR AT40 in the last several years there's very few songs I don't know of if I'm also listening to the radio daily. And maybe I'm just not paying attention but songs don't stay on the chart forever like they did in say 1994-whenever. They don't move up and down like they did before 94 but it's not as slow. Now that said HAC is a whole different story. Songs crawl up and mosey down, and for how bad that is country is worse. ACC cut 40-31 out and I don't really blame them. When I've regularly listened to country in spurts over the last few years I hardly recognize anything Bob intro's in the first hour. What's worse is I can listen to country radio all week and never hear them either. |
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Post by matt on Jul 23, 2014 10:38:55 GMT -5
Matt, you are onto my thoughts recently about this. First after hearing the top 100 soul songs of 1974 that doomsdaymachine had alerted us to, and not skipping one song and then hearing an AT40 from 2003 shortly thereafter and like you in this Julie Brown countdown, having to skip like a dozen hip hop/rap/R&B or whatever the heck they are calling it then, I could not help but ask, is that the best you guys can do? I can listen to entire top 100 soul songs countdown, not skip one song and then in just a 40 song countdown, I end up skipping over 10 songs. What gives? And lately after hearing AT40s from the Soundscan era, I have wondered what it would be like to hear a survey based on the Hot 100. Your analysis of the SXM countdown provides me an answer and not a surprising one. It's really a head-scratching deal isn't it? Some of my favorite songs on the AT40 70's shows--especially the early 70's--are the Motown/R&B hits. Name any one of them--I can't think of too many that I don't like. That trend completely reverses in the 90's--I am hard pressed to come up with many songs that I do like. IMO, a big reason that top 40 music in the 90's took such a decline from the previous 2-3 decades... |
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Post by mga707 on Jul 23, 2014 11:05:14 GMT -5
Some of my favorite songs on the AT40 70's shows--especially the early 70's--are the Motown/R&B hits. Name any one of them--I can't think of too many that I don't like. The period from 1970-1975--the 'pre-disco era'--is considered by some (myself included) to be "The Golden Age of R&B/Soul". There were so many great songs coming out then, from Philly International, Atlantic, Stax, Motown, and many other labels, major and minor. I can't think of a single major label that did not have at least one great soul record from this period. |
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Post by dukelightning on Sept 10, 2014 9:30:46 GMT -5
On the 9/10/94 show, Shadoe ID'd a station in Mexico. So I suppose in this period with no US affiliates, there were still places near the borders of Mexico and Canada in the US that could still pick up AT40 depending on weather conditions and time of day, etc.
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Post by dukelightning on Sept 10, 2014 20:44:10 GMT -5
On the 9/10/94 show, Shadoe mentioned how "Come to My Window" had set a record that week for the most weeks on before reaching its peak at 26 weeks. So I decided to track it because this had to be a bizarre chart run and it was. It actually set a new record the next week at 27 weeks and that is when it finally peaked. The chart run.....
37-33-31-30-29-28-27-29-28-26-25-26-27-22-26-24-25-21-21-20-21-21-22-21-21-18-13-15........
Plus a after a few more weeks in the teens, it dropped to 20 and then fell off entirely. So there must have been some kind of recurrent rule where after a certain number of weeks, if a record fell below 20, it was dropped off the chart. Otherwise, this probably stays around until at least the end of AT40 some 3 months later. But this shows in a nutshell why the 90s have a major problem. Use an airplay chart and you get ridiculous chart runs like this or use a sales chart like the Hot 100 and using this board as an example, only 10% of the audience that you had will listen. Talk about being caught between a rock and hard place!
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Post by countdownmike on Sept 10, 2014 22:40:32 GMT -5
mga707 and Matt---you mirror my thoughts on the early 70s AT40 for soul songs. Not many I don't like either from the 1970-75 period especially. that was part of the intrigue of the show, those songs not covered by the local stations presenting AT40. However, we were lucky to have WNCI, Columbus OH which already had a pretty diverse song list. So there weren't too many souls songs on AT40 that they weren't playing.
I still say the amazing thing is that we avid AT4070s listeners can hear more soul than what's played on classic R&B hits stations. Find me an R&B station that plays Love Land, The Sly, Slick & The Wicked, You Want It You Got It, Groovy Situation and any number of 1970-74 James Brown hits. And based on Casey's apparent enthusiasm for these songs, I wouldn't have been surprised had he come up with an AT40 special countdown show of soul hits.
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Post by pointpark04 on Sept 11, 2014 8:04:59 GMT -5
Soul music is really about the only redeeming factor of early-70s Top 40 radio. Nearly everything else was sleepy-time music.
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Post by michaelcasselman on Sept 11, 2014 8:17:52 GMT -5
On the 9/10/94 show, Shadoe mentioned how "Come to My Window" had set a record that week for the most weeks on before reaching its peak at 26 weeks. So I decided to track it because this had to be a bizarre chart run and it was. It actually set a new record the next week at 27 weeks and that is when it finally peaked. The chart run..... 37-33-31-30-29-28-27-29-28-26-25-26-27-22-26-24-25-21-21-20-21-21-22-21-21-18-13-15........ Plus a after a few more weeks in the teens, it dropped to 20 and then fell off entirely. So there must have been some kind of recurrent rule where after a certain number of weeks, if a record fell below 20, it was dropped off the chart. Otherwise, this probably stays around until at least the end of AT40 some 3 months later. But this shows in a nutshell why the 90s have a major problem. Use an airplay chart and you get ridiculous chart runs like this or use a sales chart like the Hot 100 and using this board as an example, only 10% of the audience that you had will listen. Talk about being caught between a rock and hard place! I think the recurrent rule was that if a song had been on the chart for over 20 weeks and had fallen under the #20 position it was moved off. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 9:23:05 GMT -5
I don't believe this rule was in effect yet. Could swear I've heard songs from months ago in the bottom half of the show still. Maybe there was but not at #20 yet. For the record, I hate the recurrent rule and always have. If something is one of the 40 biggest hits and it's now #35 in it's 27th week it deserves to still be there.
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Post by matt on Sept 11, 2014 9:58:47 GMT -5
I don't believe this rule was in effect yet. Could swear I've heard songs from months ago in the bottom half of the show still. Maybe there was but not at #20 yet. For the record, I hate the recurrent rule and always have. If something is one of the 40 biggest hits and it's now #35 in it's 27th week it deserves to still be there. Couldn't agree more--clearly the recurrent rule was implemented to try to create more turnover among countdown songs and expunge songs that had lingered in the countdown for a long time. However, in adding such rules, the integrity of the countdowns became compromised. You're right Paul--the recurrent rule is essentially a manipulation of the chart that places songs in artificial positions, presumably to add to the appeal of countdown shows. But the end result is that you're not really getting an accurate representation of the charts. |
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Post by 80sat40fan on Sept 11, 2014 10:17:55 GMT -5
I don't believe this rule was in effect yet. Could swear I've heard songs from months ago in the bottom half of the show still. Maybe there was but not at #20 yet. For the record, I hate the recurrent rule and always have. If something is one of the 40 biggest hits and it's now #35 in it's 27th week it deserves to still be there. Couldn't agree more--clearly the recurrent rule was implemented to try to create more turnover among countdown songs and expunge songs that had lingered in the countdown for a long time. However, in adding such rules, the integrity of the countdowns became compromised. You're right Paul--the recurrent rule is essentially a manipulation of the chart that places songs in artificial positions, presumably to add to the appeal of countdown shows. But the end result is that you're not really getting an accurate representation of the charts. I am going to both agree and disagree with you. The rule where a song was removed from the chart after falling below #20 was a bad rule. Having said that, at some point, wasn't there a rule later on where a song which fell below #50 was removed from the chart? That rule is somewhat of a happy medium between the old rule and having songs linger forever on the chart. Recently, Imagine Dragons spent something like 77 weeks on the Hot 100 which to me is crazy. With charts being based on airplay, there is no delineation between a new song getting airplay and a re-current song getting airplay. At what point now does a new song become a re-current song? I always wonder what the Hot 100 would have looked like in the 1980s had the chart been based on chart impressions like it was in the 1990s. Would songs like "You Give Love A Bad Name" by Bon Jovi been on the Hot 100 for 30+ weeks? Would R & B/Soul songs have done better on the charts than they did? Back in 1986 and 1987, Billboard published station playlists. I think there was a station in Boston (Sunny Joe White may have been the PD?) where once a song peaked on their chart, it was dropped and made a re-current hit. Songs dropped from #1 out of the countdown on some station playlists! This was reflected in the Hot 100 so songs had a much faster drop in the 1980s than the 1990s. I wonder how slowly or how quickly some songs would have moved in the 80s if the 90s rules were in effect. |
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